Blueray burning

[KloD]

So my work let me pick out my new laptop and being that we get a nice discount from Dell, I bought the XPS 1710 w/ a blueray burner and topped out every option. The cost was $6800 before our discount and $4000 after. So I have this amazing machine and am now able to burn 25gigs per disc ( I hear the dual layer 50gig blanks will be out soon).

My request is a good source (cheap) to buy the blank discs? Anyone else using a blueray burner? What brand is best? Cost range?

The movies are absolutely amazing quality, but I need it to burn data projects to back up my software I write and large video projects that DVD format was too small (most projects range from 10-20gigs).

 

[azsouthendzone]

A cheap source for blandk blu-ray discs? That doesn't exist my friend. I thought the thread "Blu-Ray Burning meant you were going to talk about tossing your Blu-Ray collection in the fireplace, because in a year that is all it will be good for.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

It took 2-3 years before we saw cheap DVD recordable media. It will take at least that long to see it again for this generation.

HDDVD recordable media should be cheaper to produce, therefore cheaper to buy. I wouldn't hold out hope.

 

[azsouthendzone]

dual layer dvds arent exactly cheap right now either, and half of those are crap

 

[dreamcastrocks]

dual layer dvds arent exactly cheap right now either, and half of those are crap

Very true. I never buy them.

Single layer Blurays still have over an 80% failure rate last time I read. That's production discs, let alone recordable.

 

[Linderbee]

y'all are raining all over KloD's parade...

KloD, I heard that BluRay burning is AWESOME!! You're going to love it. I'm sure you'll find a SMOKING sale on them soon.

 

[KloD]

Though I want to keep the cost down, the bill doesn't come to me. So...

The failure rate I didn't know about, I'll read up on it.

I see the discs for about $18-$21 for the 25gig, that's still a cheaper route than my current method of buying HD after HD to store my work on. I already have about 3+ terabits of HD space nearly filled and if one of the drives fails I lose my work. To back it up on dvd's it takes forever and several of them. I was hoping this new disc type would save me time and effort even if it takes another year or so before the price comes down.

Eh, what do I care really... the computer was a gift and it kicks a$$.

 

[KloD]

A cheap source for blandk blu-ray discs? That doesn't exist my friend. I thought the thread "Blu-Ray Burning meant you were going to talk about tossing your Blu-Ray collection in the fireplace, because in a year that is all it will be good for.

I'll take that bet.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Yep. It has at least another 2 years in it.

 

[KloD]

Yep. It has at least another 2 years in it.

I guess I need this opinion explained to me. Blue-ray movies are outselling HDDVD 3 to 1 from what I've read, they allow more storage, and though they are expensive.. the prices will come down. The available movies are increasing quickly, so why is it you guys are convinced it won't last long?

Most burning errors are from the HD, so the problem is likely the size of the project that is causing errors, not the actual discs or burners. My bet is people installing the burners in messy systems or machines that can't handle the task.

Obviously I'll be using it as long as it's around , so I guess I'll see.

 

[azsouthendzone]

I guess I need this opinion explained to me. Blue-ray movies are outselling HDDVD 3 to 1 from what I've read, they allow more storage, and though they are expensive.. the prices will come down. The available movies are increasing quickly, so why is it you guys are convinced it won't last long?

Most burning errors are from the HD, so the problem is likely the size of the project that is causing errors, not the actual discs or burners. My bet is people installing the burners in messy systems or machines that can't handle the task.

Obviously I'll be using it as long as it's around , so I guess I'll see.

LOL, now its a 3-1 lead in disc sales. It was just 2-1 yesterday, although the reality is its really about 1.6-1. Th problem is Blu-Ray and the PS3 are one in the same, and rediculously overpriced, and its another Sony contraption destined to fail. You'll be able to buy tons of Blu-Ray movies for cheap next year though.

 

[KloD]

LOL, now its a 3-1 lead in disc sales. It was just 2-1 yesterday, although the reality is its really about 1.6-1. Th problem is Blu-Ray and the PS3 are one in the same, and rediculously overpriced, and its another Sony contraption destined to fail. You'll be able to buy tons of Blu-Ray movies for cheap next year though.

Who said it was 2-1? I just read a few articles in PCmag and elsewhere that said the last two quarters BR outsold HD 3-1. Look it up for yourself.

Again, I'll take that bet. HD is no less expensive, sure they have a few crappy players that only play substandard audio, but their machines that equal BR are in the same price range. Also, Sony's PS3 is selling at the same rate as the Xbox360. Where are you getting your info from? It's not accurate... about that bet?

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

I'm missing something, how is getting 25gigs of storage for $20 by using blu-ray disks cheaper than using hard drives?

Also, have you looked into online backup? There has to be something cheaper/easier for storing and backing up such large amounts of data than using blu-ray.

 

[KloD]

I'm missing something, how is getting 25gigs of storage for $20 by using blu-ray disks cheaper than using hard drives?

Also, have you looked into online backup? There has to be something cheaper/easier for storing and backing up such large amounts of data than using blu-ray.

I guess it isn't cheaper now, but as the cost of the discs goes down it seems a cheaper route. Really my concern is a HD failing. I've lost data this way before and if I have to back it up to dvd's to be safe, the time to do that is way more than I'm willing to put in. Also space becomes a concern, I have a HD tower, 5 other external, as well as what I have in my computers. I just bought another terabit (2 drives) and I'm running out of space. The idea of several discs in a nice case vs. this mess is appealing. If the tech is bad, no loss to me. I just hope it continues and becomes a benefit to me.

I haven't looked into online backup, but with much of my work the hospital may not allow it due to privacy and copyright issues. I will look into it and talk to them about it, but I don't feel confident it would be an option.

 

[azsouthendzone]

Who said it was 2-1? I just read a few articles in PCmag and elsewhere that said the last two quarters BR outsold HD 3-1. Look it up for yourself.

Again, I'll take that bet. HD is no less expensive, sure they have a few crappy players that only play substandard audio, but their machines that equal BR are in the same price range. Also, Sony's PS3 is selling at the same rate as the Xbox360. Where are you getting your info from? It's not accurate... about that bet?

Nielsen numbers bro, not sony fanboi crap. Remember Sony said the war was over in February, and Paramount and Dreamworks just went HD DVD exclusive. Great format. You can put it right next to MIni Disc and UMD, and the PS3 for that matter with its crappy 30fps Madden and garbage games. At least it will be a conversation piece like Laserdisc, so hang on to it.

 

[KloD]

LOL, you are clueless. Keep believing that is true.

Nielsen numbers bro, not sony fanboi crap. Remember Sony said the war was over in February, and Paramount and Dreamworks just went HD DVD exclusive. Great format. You can put it right next to MIni Disc and UMD, and the PS3 for that matter with its crappy 30fps Madden and garbage games. At least it will be a conversation piece like Laserdisc, so hang on to it.

Clueless? I ask a simple question and you offer nothing but an opinon that contradicts all evidence. So piss off little man with your insults, keep making **** up and presenting it as fact. I've got no time for your stupidity. Blockbuster reports BR rentals and sales far out pacing HDDVD. Overall sales from most sources are 2-1 and some claim more. Paramount and Dreamworks were paid about 25-50mil each to side with HDDVD. They claim it was due to cheaper players... please. Sounds like desperation on HDDVD to me, while Sony, Fox, Disney, MGM, Lionsgate, and Warner back BR without being paid to do so.

I don't know which will win out, but since you offer nothing but ignorance to the topic... we're done.

 

[azsouthendzone]

Clueless? I ask a simple question and you offer nothing but an opinon that contradicts all evidence. So piss off little man with your insults, keep making **** up and presenting it as fact. I've got no time for your stupidity. Blockbuster reports BR rentals and sales far out pacing HDDVD. Overall sales from most sources are 2-1 and some claim more. Paramount and Dreamworks were paid about 25-50mil each to side with HDDVD. They claim it was due to cheaper players... please. Sounds like desperation on HDDVD to me, while Sony, Fox, Disney, MGM, Lionsgate, and Warner back BR without being paid to do so.

I don't know which will win out, but since you offer nothing but ignorance to the topic... we're done.

Show me one source that says they got paid 25-50 milion each. Just one. And you honestly believe that they were paid but Blockbuster (company on the brink of bankruptcy) Disney, MGM, and Fox made their decision without cash subsidies from Sony? Seriously I have done my homework, and I also know when you have a lead in a market that amounts to a whopping 1% of total DVD sales that doesn't mean a damn thing. Read High Def Digest. That is an unbiased source. Your numbers are out there.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Show me one source that says they got paid 25-50 milion each. Just one. And you honestly believe that they were paid but Blockbuster (company on the brink of bankruptcy) Disney, MGM, and Fox made their decision without cash subsidies from Sony? Seriously I have done my homework, and I also know when you have a lead in a market that amounts to a whopping 1% of total DVD sales that doesn't mean a damn thing. Read High Def Digest. That is an unbiased source. Your numbers are out there.

Acutally, they paid 50M and 100M each. These numbers are everywhere too.

http://www.tech.co.uk/home-entertai...mp-in-150m-paramount-bribe?articleid=81029857

Let's not act like Sony is above that too. Sony has been paying retailers, (Best Buy for example to give them more shelf space) Blockbuster, to try and become bluray exclusive etc.

 

[KloD]

Show me one source that says they got paid 25-50 milion each. Just one. And you honestly believe that they were paid but Blockbuster (company on the brink of bankruptcy) Disney, MGM, and Fox made their decision without cash subsidies from Sony? Seriously I have done my homework, and I also know when you have a lead in a market that amounts to a whopping 1% of total DVD sales that doesn't mean a damn thing. Read High Def Digest. That is an unbiased source. Your numbers are out there.

The info regarding the payoff is everywhere, just do a google and you'll get far more than your one source. Blockbuster just anounced they are going the way of BR. They will keep a small supply of HDDVD, but they are pushing BR.

I just found the other thread regarding this and in the same post you argue that people don't buy their home audio at Target when told they support BR and then in the next paragraph you argue Walmart selling cheap crappy players will win the war for HDDVD? So people don't buy from Target, but they do their home electronic shopping at Walmart?

It's a joke that people supporting HDDVD try to claim player sales shouldn't include the PS3, but they include the 10k laptops with HDDVD in their count. Dell is also pushing BR. Either way, movie sales are over 2-1 by most sources (non-bias including Nielsen) so in the end that speaks for itself. Spin it anyway you wish, to date BR is winning the war.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

The info regarding the payoff is everywhere, just do a google and you'll get far more than your one source. Blockbuster just anounced they are going the way of BR. They will keep a small supply of HDDVD, but they are pushing BR.

I just found the other thread regarding this and in the same post you argue that people don't buy their home audio at Target when told they support BR and then in the next paragraph you argue Walmart selling cheap crappy players will win the war for HDDVD? So people don't buy from Target, but they do their home electronic shopping at Walmart?

It's a joke that people supporting HDDVD try to claim player sales shouldn't include the PS3, but they include the 10k laptops with HDDVD in their count. Dell is also pushing BR. Either way, movie sales are over 2-1 by most sources (non-bias including Nielsen) so in the end that speaks for itself. Spin it anyway you wish, to date BR is winning the war.

Both of you are coming off as fanboys. As of right now, I would agree with Klod that Bluray is winning the war. Before the Paramount/Dreamworks announcement, Bluray was clearly in the lead.

However, The movie totals that az posted are closer to the truth. Bluray has about a 1.7:1 advantage in movies sold. However, HDDVD owners typically own 3 HDDVD movies to every one Bluray owner.

This Paramount/Dreamworks announcement prolonged a war. I wouldn't have been surprised if HDDVD would have folded in the next year without the announcement. Now, I don't think that there will be a clear winner for either format for at least a year, posssibly 2. (not years per se, but holiday seasons)

 

[KloD]

Both of you are coming off as fanboys. As of right now, I would agree with Klod that Bluray is winning the war. Before the Paramount/Dreamworks announcement, Bluray was clearly in the lead.

Maybe so, but my problem is I ask a simple question and get insulted by an asshat who offers nothing buy opinion that contradicts current evidence.

Like I said, I don't care who wins. My original post had nothing to do with that and I've not invested a dime.

However, The movie totals that az posted are closer to the truth. Bluray has about a 1.7:1 advantage in movies sold. However, HDDVD owners typically own 3 HDDVD movies to every one Bluray owner.

This Paramount/Dreamworks announcement prolonged a war. I wouldn't have been surprised if HDDVD would have folded in the next year without the announcement. Now, I don't think that there will be a clear winner for either format for at least a year, posssibly 2. (not years per se, but holiday seasons)

The deal with the studios and HDDVD is actually for 150mil I read in the NYtimes and only good for the next 18 months. So even though the studios are willing to take the cash, they aren't willing to commit long term.

My only aruement was the BS claim that BR would be gone in a year. I'll still take that bet.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Maybe so, but my problem is I ask a simple question and get insulted by an asshat who offers nothing buy opinion that contradicts current evidence.

Like I said, I don't care who wins. My original post had nothing to do with that and I've not invested a dime.



The deal with the studios and HDDVD is actually for 150mil I read in the NYtimes and only good for the next 18 months. So even though the studios are willing to take the cash, they aren't willing to commit long term.

My only aruement was the BS claim that BR would be gone in a year. I'll still take that bet.

I'll take that bet too. The deal is for 150M. 50 for Paramount and 100M for Dreamworks.