Bobcats Turned Down Derrick Williams Trade

[PDXChris]

The Bobcats reportedly have five offers for the No. 2 pick on the table, but there's at least one proposal from the Timberwolves that isn't being considered. According to Jonathan Givony of DraftExpress.com (Twitter link), the T-Wolves offered Derrick Williams for the second overall pick and were quickly turned down by Charlotte.

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2012/06/bobcats-turned-down-derrick-williams-trade.html

If I am Charlotte I would have done that trade, but maybe asked for Ridnour or Wesley Johnson as well. But I think Derrick Williams is going to take a big step forward this year.

 

[95pro]

i like Robinson at #2

 

[Russ Smith]

I like Derrick he's going to be a good player but from what I read Minnesota wanted Beal and that's why they made this offer. Williams isn't a 2, Beal is and Minnesota thinks they're set with Rubio at the 1, Love at the 4 and probably ok with Johnson at the 3, so they wanted a 2.

 

[slinslin]

Derricks value right now is barely higher than Markieff. I like him better but the situation in Minnesota hurts his trade value since he can't be evaluated much.

 

[Joe Mama]

Derricks value right now is barely higher than Markieff. I like him better but the situation in Minnesota hurts his trade value since he can't be evaluated much.

there's no way they were going to get a #2 in the current draft for him, but you just can't be serious if you think his value is barely higher than Morris's. I like Morris where we got him, but that's just ridiculous.

Joe

 

[DWKB]

there's no way they were going to get a #2 in the current draft for him, but you just can't be serious if you think his value is barely higher than Morris's. I like Morris where we got him, but that's just ridiculous.

Joe

they were essentially equals last year, which means MN got ripped off with the #2 pick. Not Thabeet level ripped off, but none the less.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

there's no way they were going to get a #2 in the current draft for him, but you just can't be serious if you think his value is barely higher than Morris's. I like Morris where we got him, but that's just ridiculous.

Joe

Yep, at least Williams has the potential to improve and be a starter. Morris is what he is, an ok bench player with neither the size nor the athleticism or talent to be much more than that.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

they were essentially equals last year, which means MN got ripped off with the #2 pick. Not Thabeet level ripped off, but none the less.

i'm sorry, i don't usually like to come on here and rip into someone without providing some topic-related substance, but you are outta your freaking mind.

 

[DWKB]

i'm sorry, i don't usually like to come on here and rip into someone without providing some topic-related substance, but you are outta your freaking mind.

Williams: 21.5 MPG 8.8 PPG 4.7 RPG 0.6 APG 1.8 WS
Morris: 19.5 MPG 7.4 PPG 4.4 RPG 1.0 APG 1.5 WS

You're apology is rather empty.

 

[95pro]

that's why im saying the bobcats are wise in this case, cause at #2 i would take Robinson. guy has an nba ready body, and the rebounds should translate from college to the nba. williams' body still has some maturing to do.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Williams: 21.5 MPG 8.8 PPG 4.7 RPG 0.6 APG 1.8 WS
Morris: 19.5 MPG 7.4 PPG 4.4 RPG 1.0 APG 1.5 WS

You're apology is rather empty.

And your statistics are highly misleading. Morris proved what he is, at least Williams has potential. Hard to see that through your KU glasses I suppose.

Williams didn't have a great year, and disappointed to some extent, but to compare him to Morris is laughable.

 

[DWKB]

And your statistics are highly misleading. Morris proved what he is, at least Williams has potential. Hard to see that through your KU glasses I suppose.

Williams didn't have a great year, and disappointed to some extent, but to compare him to Morris is laughable.

How are they misleading? Neither had a great year and MIN paid 2.5x as much for theirs. That Williams has more "potential" has yet to be seen. What he has is one mediocre season as the #2 draft pick that was replicated by the #13 pick.

Go ahead and call me biased though because that certainly changes the stats.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

How are they misleading?

Because they indicate that these are 2 similar players. They aren't, anyone who watches the NBA regularly would know that.

That Williams has more "potential" has yet to be seen.

No, it hasn't. There was a reason that Williams was the #2 pick, and Morris #13. As I explained above, Williams has the potential to improve and be a starter. Morris is what he is, an ok bench player with neither the size nor the athleticism or talent to be much more than that.

I don't know why I'm arguing this with a die hard KU fan, just out of curiosity, what about Morris leads you to believe he has potential to be much more than he is? Have you ever watched Williams play?

What he has is one mediocre season as the #2 draft pick that was replicated by the #13 pick.

Go ahead and call me biased though

I will, because you are. It's hard to believe any neutral fan would say they have equal potential.

 

[slinslin]

While DWill might have more potential he has a much more serious problem. He has no position in the NBA right now. He is a tweener.

At this point he is not much more of a prospect than Markieff.

Derrick Williams best case was probably Shareef Abdur Rahim but it certainly looked like Derrick can't play SF in the NBA and will have to work hard on making it work at Pf.

 

[95pro]

okay enough, most should know that:

1) morris - close or at ceiling

2) wiliams - not quite there yet to ceiling

saying otherwise is nonsense

 

[DWKB]

Because they indicate that these are 2 similar players. They aren't, anyone who watches the NBA regularly would know that.

No, it indicated they has similar years, which is what I originally stated.

No, it hasn't. There was a reason that Williams was the #2 pick, and Morris #13. As I explained above, Williams has the potential to improve and be a starter. Morris is what he is, an ok bench player with neither the size nor the athleticism or talent to be much more than that.

Subjective on both sides.

I don't know why I'm arguing this with a die hard KU fan, just out of curiosity, what about Morris leads you to believe he has potential to be much more than he is? Have you ever watched Williams play?

I will, because you are. It's hard to believe any neutral fan would say they have equal potential.

What's with the ad hominems?

I think Morris is a better off the ball rebounder and a better defender. Morris also knows how to pass the ball and play team basketball, something Williams never learned as the only guy at UofA playing ball hog and only caring about the half of the court his basket was on.

Williams is an athlete who's yet to learn the game of basketball, Morris is a basketball player. That's the difference.

Regardless of this, I've never used the word potential except to say that Williams hasn't lived up to his. I said they were equal last year and the stats bear that out. That Williams is still "unrealized potential" isn't really selling me honestly. Neither one of these guys is going to be LBJ or Kobe, so they'd better learn a roll. I think Morris has a much better shot at that than Williams.

If I'm a homer about anything, it's that KU players tend to learn the game of team basketball and how to be a player on defense as well as offense.

 

[DWKB]

While DWill might have more potential he has a much more serious problem. He has no position in the NBA right now. He is a tweener.

At this point he is not much more of a prospect than Markieff.

Derrick Williams best case was probably Shareef Abdur Rahim but it certainly looked like Derrick can't play SF in the NBA and will have to work hard on making it work at Pf.

Exactly.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Can we trade for Derrick Williams?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Regardless of this, I've never used the word potential except to say that Williams hasn't lived up to his. I said they were equal last year and the stats bear that out. That Williams is still "unrealized potential" isn't really selling me honestly. Neither one of these guys is going to be LBJ or Kobe, so they'd better learn a roll. I think Morris has a much better shot at that than Williams.

If I'm a homer about anything, it's that KU players tend to learn the game of team basketball and how to be a player on defense as well as offense.

No, you said it's yet to be seen who has more potential. (Which is amusing in itself) Not intending to be personally attacking, and I don't think it's over the line to say the fact you are a KU fan makes you biased, especially with comments like your last one here. It's ok.

 

[Russ Smith]

that's why im saying the bobcats are wise in this case, cause at #2 i would take Robinson. guy has an nba ready body, and the rebounds should translate from college to the nba. williams' body still has some maturing to do.

I'm guessing Robinson is 2 inches taller than Williams, not sure maybe not.

Just seems to me Robinson is probably just barely big enough to play 4 in the nBA. I compare him to LaPhonso Ellis, just has to improve his shot. I love Williams I'm just not sure he is big enough to play the 4, and not sure he's quick enough to play the 3.

I think he's good enough and works so hard he'll have a very good NBA career. You know the saying if you can play you're a combo, if you can't you're a tweener, I'm betting he's a combo.

 

[Russ Smith]

No, it indicated they has similar years, which is what I originally stated.



Subjective on both sides.



What's with the ad hominems?

I think Morris is a better off the ball rebounder and a better defender. Morris also knows how to pass the ball and play team basketball, something Williams never learned as the only guy at UofA playing ball hog and only caring about the half of the court his basket was on.

Williams is an athlete who's yet to learn the game of basketball, Morris is a basketball player. That's the difference.

Regardless of this, I've never used the word potential except to say that Williams hasn't lived up to his. I said they were equal last year and the stats bear that out. That Williams is still "unrealized potential" isn't really selling me honestly. Neither one of these guys is going to be LBJ or Kobe, so they'd better learn a roll. I think Morris has a much better shot at that than Williams.

If I'm a homer about anything, it's that KU players tend to learn the game of team basketball and how to be a player on defense as well as offense.

I would argue that Morris while only 1 year older is MUCH more polished because he played for one of the best bigs coaches in college(Danny Manning). Williams played all over at UA he often played the 5 as a freshman, often played like a 3 as a soph, and as you said was not a very good defender because UA needed so much from him on offense, they tried to hide him on D so he didn't get in foul trouble.

I think it's much more likely Williams improves than Morris does.

I would have taken Robinson over either Morris last year, I would take him over both Morris' this year. They're good, he's just better, a much better athlete with the same high quality coaching. They shoot better and pass better but he'll be a better pro.

 

[DWKB]

No, you said it's yet to be seen who has more potential. (Which is amusing in itself) Not intending to be personally attacking, and I don't think it's over the line to say the fact you are a KU fan makes you biased, especially with comments like your last one here. It's ok.

I see what you're saying now.

That Williams has more "potential" has yet to be seen.

I was meaning to say that Williams potential has yet to be seen so it's rather discounted to me, not that they have the same potential.

 

[TJ]

Had Adelman not shackled Williams to the bench and played him more regularly, he would have been a 12/6 guy, easily.

The Rubio injury didn't help, either.

More importantly, he showed how explosive he could be where had the opportunity. He needs to work on his jump shot, but if he's implemented as a starter next season, he will meet expectations.


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[Russ Smith]

Had Adelman not shackled Williams to the bench and played him more regularly, he would have been a 12/6 guy, easily.

The Rubio injury didn't help, either.

More importantly, he showed how explosive he could be where had the opportunity. He needs to work on his jump shot, but if he's implemented as a starter next season, he will meet expectations.


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That was his defense though. A friend of mine is a huge Twolves fan, she's had season tix since their inception and she knows people in the front office etc. That was the word from early on, Williams wasn't ready to defend at the NBA level and that was going to limit his minutes.