Boldin a Card no more??

[Cbus cardsfan]

I'll bet in a couple day Boldin will say he was taken out of context or blowing off steam. It seems pretty irrational to break off negotiations because really the Cards haven't lied to him yet. If we believe Boldin, he said a new contract by the time the season starts. Well, the season doesn't start for another 5 1/2 weeks. I didn't see anywhere where he said prior to training camp. I'd have no problem trading him for a #1 next year to give us a shot a Beanie Wells. How about sending him to the Raiders for Fargas and next year's #1?

 

[TJ]

Whatever......he is posturing. He wants the Cards to come chase him with a much better offer. Otherwise, he would be asking for a trade. Think about it. He has three more years left that pay 2.5 2.75 and 3 mil respectively. If he wants more money, he is either going to hold out, ask for a trade, or pull this crazy stunt. Not accept his current situation.

He just got caught in the heat of the moment. His agent was in town and figured his bank account would be much fatter today.

 

[DaisyCutter]

I don't blame Rod Graves for this. Not one bit.

It's probably better for the Cards (in the short run, at the very least), to have one of the Top 5 WRs in the NFL play for a salary less than a Top 15 draft pick at the position for at least another year, maybe two. If Anquan reconsiders in that time, great. It's funny what a high ankle sprain can do for one's perspective.

Anquan needs to let his agent do the talking on this, though. Bad decision on his part.

 

[ajcardfan]

I've been gone for 4 days, and this was not the type of story I wanted. But, I'm not surprised. I believed the second-hand report from the radio a few weeks ago that everyone else blew off here. Boldin let himself get emotionally involved in business, and that is a bad move on his part.

That said, a year from now, I think this will largely be forgotten. But, who knows? Anything can happen.

 

[Syracusecards]

No he hasnen't. STUPID COMMENT!

He has been eligible to start 80 games in his career. In that 80 games he started 68 or them. Dont let your emotions get the best of you.

Ok, so I should've said a good chunk of game. It's still 15% of his career. Not to mention he still wasn't nearly as effective when he came back in 2004 because of his injury.

Think about it, if you were out of work for 15% of a year, you would miss almost 2 months.

That's not exactly reliability.

 

[Billy Bob]

Whatever......he is posturing. He wants the Cards to come chase him with a much better offer. Otherwise, he would be asking for a trade. Think about it. He has three more years left that pay 2.5 2.75 and 3 mil respectively. If he wants more money, he is either going to hold out, ask for a trade, or pull this crazy stunt. Not accept his current situation.

He just got caught in the heat of the moment. His agent was in town and figured his bank account would be much fatter today.

 

[Scott MS]

Boldin has gone from Superman to Superdud. Too bad he negotiated a long term contract and then tried to re-negotiate before it was even half over. Good luck with your next team.

 

[tnmike]

I'm pissed off at my boss too. I told them today that I'm out of here in 3 years whether they like it or not!!!!!

 

[Brewster10]

This doesnt bother me at all..

He's got three yrs left.. he doesnt plan on holding out...

He'll be 30 in three yrs.. and a player with his style of physical play may very well breakdown soon after 30...

What is the problem here, just that he's upset?

Big deal..

Worst case scenario, we need to move him for a 2nd rounder next offseason or a couple of yrs from now..

As long as he doesnt hold out, then i dont care if he's all pissy

 

[AZCB34]

The only way you can blame Rod on this is in a roundabout way Fitz hitting the escalators forced all this. Rod thought Fitz would never hit them, he did, and then Rod had to redo the deal. That took too long delaying our FA period and pushing out other players deals.

That ultimately IMHO led to boldin being mad.

But honestly they warned Anquan if you wait you might have to wait longer than you want, he chose to wait, he needs to face the facts now and wait his turn.

I wasn't suggesting this is really Rod's fault...or maybe only a small fraction of it is his fault but this is mostly Q being really mad. Lots of decisions made by all parties led us here so I refuse to place all blame on one party or another but I find ALOT less fault with Rod than Q.

My concern is, when a guy of Q's stature blows up like this, I think it can have an effect in the lockerroom.

 

[red desert]

“I’m really disappointed it came to this point. For the last five, going on six years, I gave everything I had to this organization. In that sense, I’m disappointed.”

To those of you can't seem to understand the logic and truth of this statement...

well, you're the spoiled brats, IMO.

Just because the Cards were willing to negotiate last year, doesn't meant they were going to offer Q a fair market value contract. You really think they would have offered him a Fitz contract back then? Honestly?

Jeez. Get over yourselves folks.

 

[Dr. Jones]

This doesnt bother me at all..

He's got three yrs left.. he doesnt plan on holding out...

He'll be 30 in three yrs.. and a player with his style of physical play may very well breakdown soon after 30...

What is the problem here, just that he's upset?

Big deal..

Worst case scenario, we need to move him for a 2nd rounder next offseason or a couple of yrs from now..

As long as he doesnt hold out, then i dont care if he's all pissy

EXACTLY!

I was thinking the same freaking thing. The dude will be 30 when this contract is up! Talk to me after our back to back Super Bowl victories.

 

[Shane]

Ok, so I should've said a good chunk of game. It's still 15% of his career. Not to mention he still wasn't nearly as effective when he came back in 2004 because of his injury.

Think about it, if you were out of work for 15% of a year, you would miss almost 2 months.

That's not exactly reliability.

Tj Houshmanzadeh = 17%
Steve Smith = 17%
Terell Owens = 10%
Andre Johnson = 12%
Isaac Bruce = 10%
Roy Williams = 10%

So while it may not exactly be the most reliable. It is on par or not much worse than many PB caliber WR's in the league.

Oh and in 2004 he was on pace for a 90+ catch season if he played 16 games. Thats not that inaffective.

 

[Buckybird]

Theres no bluff to call because he has no leverage. He will renegotiate or he will be traded. My bet is on the former. No player in their right mind would wait till 2010 to go for another contract when they are going to be 30 years old.

Just another long line of statements mad by athletes that they end up regretting and likely dont mean. Just frustrated. Doesnt make it right but thats what this is.

2010 is scheduled to be an uncapped year. he could make boatloads of cash!!!

 

[cardsfanmd]

Wow! Here are the facts as I see them. Anyone who thinks my facts are wrong (I'm going by memory) please tell me, I can take it.

1. Boldin is a beautiful football player. In a league of prima donna WRs, he plays football. Watching him hit a CB or Safety after the catch is poetry in motion.

2. Due due his impressive style of play he is likely to encounter injury. You can't have one without the other.

3. The Cardinals rewrote his rookie contract to compensate him for his value. He stated publicly then that he was happy with the team and their treatment of him.

4. The Cardinals told him they would improve his contract again to compensate for his leadership and productivity. They offerred him more than he is making now, but he didn't sign, presumably to see what Fitz got.

They offered him far below the going rate for talent like his at the time. It was stupid, cheap and very Bidwill-esque for them to even make such a petty offer. I guarentee Q became offended and pissed then,

5. Including the signing bonus, Boldin is making 4 or more million dollars a year on his current contract. This means he "owes" the Cardinals 12 million dollars of work over the next 3 years.

What's your point?

6. An employee of the Cardinals, who owes the team $12 million in productivity, is calling the ownership liars because he didn't get as much as he thinks he is worth.

No he didn't at all. Did you even read the quote of him??? He called them liars because they said they would do one thing and didn't do it. To the best of my knowledge, that is a lie.

7. Boldin says he "feels" like he was lied to, he doesn't say he WAS lied to.

I was promised a deal would get done before the season. But the season’s here and obviously that hasn’t happened. It’s not semantics, it’s, ‘Anquan, we’re going to get you done before the start of next season.’ That’s exactly out of their mouths.

What part of this are you struggling to comprehend.

8. NFL Championships are not won by the WR postion. They are won in the trenches, at QB, and on Defense. (not necessarilly in that order)

I agree 100%. I only wish the organization had considered this before they made a non-blocking finesse guy the highest payed WR in the game.

Again, if my "facts" are wrong, please tell me.

I didn't intend to come off as harsh as that reads, but you blatently ignored what he wrote and pretended like it wasn't 5 posts ahead of your in plain english. C'mon man.

 

[Shane]

2010 is scheduled to be an uncapped year. he could make boatloads of cash!!!

Thats just not going to happen. On top of it Owners would still shy away due to age.

 

[cardsfanmd]

To those of you can't seem to understand the logic and truth of this statement...

well, you're the spoiled brats, IMO.

Just because the Cards were willing to negotiate last year, doesn't meant they were going to offer Q a fair market value contract. You really think they would have offered him a Fitz contract back then? Honestly?

Jeez. Get over yourselves folks.

My favorite poster.

 

[Buckybird]

You took the words right out of mouth, Russ. This is why I have said all along that Graves is not worthy of being a GM. If your going to put escalators in a contract that you don't feel someone is going to hit, they better not hit. I guarantee you, we have have future problems with Matt and Levi looking at us down the road. Good job Rod for screwing up what may have been a championship team.

 

[Russ Smith]

To those of you can't seem to understand the logic and truth of this statement...

well, you're the spoiled brats, IMO.

Just because the Cards were willing to negotiate last year, doesn't meant they were going to offer Q a fair market value contract. You really think they would have offered him a Fitz contract back then? Honestly?

Jeez. Get over yourselves folks.

Well I slightly disagree. I don't think Fitz would have got a "fitz contract" if the whole escalator fiasco hadn't happened. The Cards signed that deal never intending Fitz to see the end of it, we all knew that, it was openly admitted. The problem is the Cards gambled he wouldn't hit the targets, he did and suddenly we had a huge albatross deal we had to redo.

That gave Fitz all the leverage, he had a great year, a monstrous contract, so the Cards had to cave and pay him more than they had ever (IMHO) intended to.

So do I think they intended to pay Anquan what Fitz wound up getting of course not, but I don't think they intended to pay Fitz that either they had a number in mind for both guys but that number got blown out of the water when Fitz' escalators were met.

The Cards have been fair with Anquan all along we redid his rookie deal when he outperformed it and promised to redo his current deal too, they just misjudged the Fitz thing and now Anquan is expecting them to overpay him the way they overpaid Fitz.

 

[Shane]

My favorite poster.

 

[Russ Smith]

You took the words right out of mouth, Russ. This is why I have said all along that Graves is not worthy of being a GM. If your going to put escalators in a contract that you don't feel someone is going to hit, they better not hit. I guarantee you, we have have future problems with Matt and Levi looking at us down the road. Good job Rod for screwing up what may have been a championship team.

To be clear I'm NOT blaming Graves here I'm just saying if you wanted to blame him that's the only way you could in this scenario.

A friend of mine said this is like finding out the bank messed up and gave your friend a million bucks by mistake, and then you go to the bank and demand they do the same for you. We got caught with our pants down in the Fitz deal and he wound up getting overpaid, unfortunately Anquan is trying to get a similar overpayment now.

IMHO of course.

 

[TigToad]

Q's numbers vs contract

Alright.. in his 5 year career, Q has averaged 1100 yards and 6 TDs per season. Those are very good numbers.

2 years ago he signed an extension. Since the extension he has averaged 1050 yards and 6.5 TDs. Good numbers.

In the article posted today they asked Q why he deserved a deal with 3 years left on his current one and he said 'because i've earned it'.

I agree he earned the last one, he got an upgrade in pay and continued to produce at the same level he had always produced at. Good on him. However, it does not show an improvement from that deal, which to me, does not show a need for increased pay.

You could argue he was hurt some of those years, but then you could argue he has been hurt most of those years. He has played 16 games two out of 5 times, including his rookie year.

I love Q. He was my second favorite Cardinal until this stuff started this year... but he's listening to his agent too much.

As for the fans who are watching the sky fall over this.. he has 3 years on a deal. Those are the 3 best years of his career age wise. I understand why he wants a new deal, but he's in a bad spot. He can play out the deal hoping for big numbers after its done (win for the Cardinals, they get top production for 2nd tier value), he can hold out of his deal (lose/lose - Boldin would be in violation of his deal, he would lose the rest of the money he seems to need and at 4 mil/year the Cards wouldn't really be pressured to give into him, he's not a big enough hit to our cap--but we are out Boldin). Or, he could play at 'half-speed'. Lose/lose again. He wouldn't get the money he's looking for anyway, and we would get a 2nd tier-Boldin... which, hell, is better than most everyone else's number 2.

Q... The Cards have said they'd extend you and give you more. They have actively negoatiated with your agent over that extention. You are negotating from a position of extreme weakness since you have 3 years on a deal and the last signing bonus we gave you may even still be on the camp. The fact that they have said they want to keep negotating is a sign of their respect for your skills. You may never get the deal Drew tells you you should get... and you may end up elsewhere because of him... but use your own head in this thing.

 

[40yearfan]

Way to screw up team chemistry Q. Wait until the start of training camp, cry like a spoiled brat and take a chance of spoiling the best situation the Cards have had in 30 years.

Anyone in the market for some cheap, used Boldin jerseys?

 

[Shane]

Way to screw up team chemistry Q. Wait until the start of training camp, cry like a spoiled brat and take a chance of spoiling the best situation the Cards have had in 30 years.

Anyone in the market for some cheap, used Boldin jerseys?

I would take them but you are WAY to big

How has he cried? He was asked and he answered. I hate people that lie about how they really feel.

 

[ajcardfan]

Way to screw up team chemistry Q. Wait until the start of training camp, cry like a spoiled brat and take a chance of spoiling the best situation the Cards have had in 30 years.

Anyone in the market for some cheap, used Boldin jerseys?

Boo! Way to overreact! JMO.


I don't enjoy how fans rush to throw either the team or the player under the bus when these things happen.