Burying the Erickson era

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This needs a thread. It's going to be important to understand what happened under Erickson to know how to judge Graham.

I keep seeing suggestions that the problem was Erickson was too old, that he mailed it in. I could not disagree more. Erickson was a man on a mission, and running out of time. He wanted two things: 200 wins and a Rose Bowl trip. That's why he came to ASU. He wanted to be in the Hall of Fame. This is a man who worked very, very hard to make it happen here.

ASU was Erickson's longer tenure at a program, tied with Miami. He desperately wanted to go out on top, or at least with a big fat stamp of approval on his resume.

The problem with Erickson was the same problem with Koetter and, to a certain degree, Snyder post-1995. They were all playing old rules, rules that had changed while they were here, and still are changing. The age of the head coach is over. I think it officially ended with the uprising of the Internet in the early 90s, but we've only really seen this new era come into focus in the last 10 years.

This new era is about the staff. The staff. The staff. The ability and abundance of recruiters on staff is directly related to how much talent you have on your roster. Bob Stoops got that. Shoot, I think Spurrier is the one who started this by hiring Stoops to be his DC and letting him do whatever he wanted. Coordinators have never had so much power, and the staff they hire to support them define the program.

Head coaches don't do the game planning anymore. They don't draw up X's O's. They don't coach each player. They don't identify talent, they don't manage recruiting, and most often times they've never met a recruit in person until the final in-home. They're now just responsible for hiring (and often times replacing if the program is successful) the people who are in charge of all that.

ASU has been staff poor since Snyder's first group came to ASU from Cal. That staff was LOADED with recruiters who specialized in the region. They also understood what worked in the Pac-10, at least at first. Snyder used '91 Washington as a template. Well, schematically, that was really the last team that did it well, particularly the 46 defense. But I don't want to get bogged down in semantics there.

Erickson never got it. You could tell by his staff that he was taking a job because he wanted one last gasp, and apparently didn't think about the cost of hiring a competent staff. He hired his friends because ... that's the way he'd already done it before. It cost him his job and ASU a much-needed bounce back.

Graham doesn't have 5 years. He has two -- tops. They better win 8 games next year, or there will be hell to pay in the AD. Maybe Graham keeps his job because ASU can't afford to move him, but the people that brought him here will have the names erased from history if it's anything less. Fair or not, that is now reality, because ASU can't afford another mediocre year, and I don't know of any particular ASU fan that has any patience left. This better be a home run.
 

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Matt, you make it sound like the Head Coach doesn't do anything.

But I am with you on the recruiting, and it looks like Graham and his staff are working hard in that regards.

As far as winning 8 games next year, it will be a solid challenge with the year ending with all these road games:

NAU
Illinois
@ Missouri
Oregon
UCLA
Utah
Washington State
@ Cal
@ Colorado
@ Oregon State
@ USC
@ Arizona

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/asu...tball-uncertain-transition.html#ixzz1hSsDo2oI
 

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ASU plays my two colleges back to back at home to start the season...
 
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Matt, you make it sound like the Head Coach doesn't do anything.

If you've been to a practice, you can see how this whole thing works. Head coaches chime in on occasion to different players, but their primary job is to make sure the program is running to their specifications. At least, that's what they do when they're doing right. When they're game-planning like a coordinator, 99 percent of the time that's a recipe for disaster.
 

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I can already see it.. next year will be compete dejavu... we will start out 5-2, get momentum going and end up 6-6, MAYBE 7-5 if we can win @ UofA or Oregon St..

We will see how it goes, but if Grapham boes 6-6 next year I agree he has one more year to prove himself...

The more I think about it, the less thrilled I am overall...

A friend and I were talking the other day and we both agreed that the sports situation at ASU is the worst it has been in 50 years... maybe ever..

That is just depressing...
 

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I can already see it.. next year will be compete dejavu... we will start out 5-2, get momentum going and end up 6-6, MAYBE 7-5 if we can win @ UofA or Oregon St..

We will see how it goes, but if Grapham boes 6-6 next year I agree he has one more year to prove himself...

The more I think about it, the less thrilled I am overall...

A friend and I were talking the other day and we both agreed that the sports situation at ASU is the worst it has been in 50 years... maybe ever..

That is just depressing...

I've never heard of hiring a coach on a two year plan. Some don't survive beyond that but I'd be SHOCKED if we fired him that quickly unless he does something in violation of his contract. If Graham is really bad, maybe we can get one of Kevin Rutledge's kids on to the squad.

Steve
 

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I've never heard of hiring a coach on a two year plan. Some don't survive beyond that but I'd be SHOCKED if we fired him that quickly unless he does something in violation of his contract. If Graham is really bad, maybe we can get one of Kevin Rutledge's kids on to the squad.

Steve

I dunno.. Kansas was pretty quick to pull the trigger on Turner Gill two years after he came in highly regarded.. By all accounts, Randy Edsall has one more year to get his ducks in a row in Maryland, otherwise he too may find himself heading in the two and out route. Hell, even Akron bagged their coach after two seasons.

With the scruitiny he took following his one-and-done at Pitt, there's going to be a lot of pressure on Graham.. A LOT.. On top of things, he's not only coaching for his job, he's coaching for Lisa Love's too. If ASU replicates 2011, or God forbid takes a step backwards, Graham may find himself in an uneasy spot. Whoever takes over as AD is going to likely want to bring their own guy in; to which Graham will be given another year to show something worth keeping.

Matt's assessment really isn't that far off the banks.
 

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Matt, you make it sound like the Head Coach doesn't do anything.

It's not so much that, but the job of the coach has drastically changed in the last 20+ years. Now a days, the BIGGEST job of the coach is putting the right staff around you. The right one can make you.. The wrong one could break you.
 

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I dunno.. Kansas was pretty quick to pull the trigger on Turner Gill two years after he came in highly regarded.. By all accounts, Randy Edsall has one more year to get his ducks in a row in Maryland, otherwise he too may find himself heading in the two and out route. Hell, even Akron bagged their coach after two seasons.

With the scruitiny he took following his one-and-done at Pitt, there's going to be a lot of pressure on Graham.. A LOT.. On top of things, he's not only coaching for his job, he's coaching for Lisa Love's too. If ASU replicates 2011, or God forbid takes a step backwards, Graham may find himself in an uneasy spot. Whoever takes over as AD is going to likely want to bring their own guy in; to which Graham will be given another year to show something worth keeping.

Matt's assessment really isn't that far off the banks.

Sure, but unless it's "for cause" I just can't see us throwing away money like that in year two. Also, I know that some coaches get fired for poor performance after just two years but I question the idea that you can look forward and say someone is hired on a 2 year string. It doesn't matter though because I seriously doubt if he'll fail at the level he'd have to in order to be terminated. These players just can't afford to quit on another coach, they have too much riding on it.

Steve
 

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One thing about this is that EVERYONE seemingly hires their friends or someone they worked with in the past. This is the status quo not just in college football coaching but in almost every organization on the planet. It's just that Erickson's friends couldn't coach anymore and/or lost their clout on the West Coast to some of the younger generations.

And FWIW, so far Graham's first staff is lining up to be inferior to that of Erickson when he first arrived. Yarber, Lubick, Stretz, and Cozzetto were very well-established West Coast guys.
 
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