Bye bye, Mike

[Mainstreet]

What? Trade D'Antoni for draft picks? Are you serious?

Are you suggesting D'Antoni does not have value? If he went to a team like Toronto (IMO the most likely destination) the Raptors would really improve with BC covering his backside. I also believe Toronto would give value for D'Antoni as BC knows a good coach when he sees one. Also it might be interesting if Steve Nash would go with him in some kind of trade. Nash returning to Canada to finish his NBA career (where he is adored) is so logical.

 

[SirStefan32]

Are you suggesting D'Antoni does not have value? If he went to a team like Toronto (IMO the most likely destination) the Raptors would really improve with BC covering his backside. I also believe Toronto would give value for D'Antoni as BC knows a good coach when he sees one. Also it might be interesting if Steve Nash would go with him in some kind of trade. Nash returning to Canada to finish his NBA career (where he is adored) is so logical.

I am saying that I don't think you can trade a coach for draft picks or players.

 

[Mainstreet]

I am saying that I don't think you can trade a coach for draft picks or players.

For some reason I'm thinking a coach under contract with a team can demand compensation (other than money) from another team wanting his services. I actually think it has been done before (at least in some form) but I can't lay my hands on it. It could also be I'm thinking about another sport. Maybe someone can remember something like this happening.

 

[AfroSuns]

Whatever they do if D'Antoni should go. I hope they dont bring Avery here apart from the fact that i think he is overrated, listening to his voice will be torture

 

[Mainstreet]

Whatever they do if D'Antoni should go. I hope they dont bring Avery here apart from the fact that i think he is overrated, listening to his voice will be torture

This is funny as I think Avery is considered by some analysts as a defensive minded coach. And you probably know how many of the fans on this board have been clamoring for a defensive minded coach. This would send Suns fans into shock.

 

[DeAnna]

For some reason I'm thinking a coach under contract with a team can demand compensation (other than money) from another team wanting his services. I actually think it has been done before (at least in some form) but I can't lay my hands on it. It could also be I'm thinking about another sport. Maybe someone can remember something like this happening.

I think it happened when Jon Gruden went to Tampa Bay - the Raiders got some draft picks.

 

[DeAnna]

Also it might be interesting if Steve Nash would go with him in some kind of trade. Nash returning to Canada to finish his NBA career (where he is adored) is so logical.

Ya know, that makes perfect sense if D'Antoni ends up in Toronto.

 

[ReddBird]

I think this is a mistake on everyone's part. Give us Shaq for a year, let Nash learn how to get in his grove, and keep D'Antoni -- and we'll have a championship at last.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Dantoni and Nash for Calderon and Jorge Garbajosa.

 

[Ciani]

Calderon cant play defence either. Not that its a factor, just saying


Trading Nash is silly. But its clear that he is no longer the dominant player he was even last year. Nash needs help, more guys that can create for others - Diaw is the only other real playmaker on the team.


Oh and Amare, I gave up on him, he is not a team player. The guy who wrote that article Amare=No championship was right.

 

[CaptainInsano]

I think this is a mistake on everyone's part. Give us Shaq for a year, let Nash learn how to get in his grove, and keep D'Antoni -- and we'll have a championship at last.

You are kidding, right?

Haha funny joke man!

I am sure we will be able to get a 7th or 8th seed again in an EVEN TOUGHER WEST with shaq missing a 3rd of the season unlike marion who was a superhuman soldier out there, barely missing any games.

There is a HUGE difference between getting shaq for 1/3rd the season while marion helped us start from the 1st seed after the shaq trade which knocked us all the way down to the 6th seed, and having shaq the whole way through.

We either make a deal, such as one for artest, or we start to rebuild.

 

[AfroSuns]

You are kidding, right?

Haha funny joke man!

I am sure we will be able to get a 7th or 8th seed again in an EVEN TOUGHER WEST with shaq missing a 3rd of the season unlike marion who was a superhuman soldier out there, barely missing any games.

There is a HUGE difference between getting shaq for 1/3rd the season while marion helped us start from the 1st seed after the shaq trade which knocked us all the way down to the 6th seed, and having shaq the whole way through.

We either make a deal, such as one for artest, or we start to rebuild.

I doubt he was kidding and neither am i when i say, Yes let D'Antoni stay, give him a good defensive assistant, a reliable backup PG and a full season with Shaq and O'neil. And please dont even talk about Artest like he is that good, If we can get him cheap all well and good. but i say keep Mike or we will most likely be trying again for another 4-5 years

 

[SirStefan32]

Ifull season with Shaq and O'neil.

Shaq developed Multiple Personalities Disorder?

 

[mojorizen7]

Mike reminds me of a talented NFL coach named Marty Schottenheimer. The guy was a great coach during the regular season but fell apart in the playoffs. He was constantly getting out coached in the post season. Sound familiar? Mike is the NBA equivalent.

Ok Steel, as long as we're making NFL comparison's try this one:
Mike D'Antoni=Mike Martz
-Both were handed the keys to very talented team's for roughly 3-4 yrs.
-Both men re-invigorated and injected high powered offenses into their
respected leagues.
-Both men's offensive styles were "copied" to some extent by others.
-Both offensive philosophies were extremely effective early on until the
rest of the NFL/NBA figured it out and it became a gimmick.
-Both coaches scoffed at the idea of playing defense....or at the very
least, they didn't put enough emphasis on it.
-Both were arrogant in their personna's.
-Martz wouldn't run the ball to use the clock,D'Antoni wanted a shot put
up in 7 seconds or less regardless of the score.
-Both teams although very talented lacked in the fundamentals & mental
mistakes(RAMS/blocking,turnovers)(SUNS/setting picks,turnovers)
-Niether could win the "big game" despite several opportunities.
-Both are stubborn to change despite the critics/experts who claim that
defense wins championships.
-Both coaches ran an MVP into the ground.
-Both are named "Mike."

 

[Cheesewater]

Ok Steel, as long as we're making NFL comparison's try this one:
Mike D'Antoni=Mike Martz
-Both were handed the keys to very talented team's for roughly 3-4 yrs.
-Both men re-invigorated and injected high powered offenses into their
respected leagues.
-Both men's offensive styles were "copied" to some extent by others.
-Both offensive philosophies were extremely effective early on until the
rest of the NFL/NBA figured it out and it became a gimmick.
-Both coaches scoffed at the idea of playing defense....or at the very
least, they didn't put enough emphasis on it.
-Both were arrogant in their personna's.
-Martz wouldn't run the ball to use the clock,D'Antoni wanted a shot put
up in 7 seconds or less regardless of the score.
-Both teams although very talented lacked in the fundamentals & mental
mistakes(RAMS/blocking,turnovers)(SUNS/setting picks,turnovers)
-Niether could win the "big game" despite several opportunities.
-Both are stubborn to change despite the critics/experts who claim that
defense wins championships.
-Both coaches ran an MVP into the ground.
-Both are named "Mike."

All true(ish) except...
Martz has a Super Bowl ring and another Super Bowl appearance and D'Antoni has squat (in the NBA anyway...)

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[mojorizen7]

Martz has a Super Bowl ring

Not as a head coach.
As a head coach Martz had one appearance with arguably one of the most talented team's in NFL history and lost.
(But you & i are well aware of that aren't we Cheese?)

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[Cheesewater]

Not as a head coach.
As a head coach Martz had one appearance with arguably one of the most talented team's in NFL history and lost.
(But you & i are well aware of that aren't we Cheese?)

Heh heh...word.

But I give Martz more than standard coordinator credit for the SB 34. That offense was his science experiment and it worked...but gooooood.

The comparison is beyond eerie though, you are correct sir.

 

[Raindog]

Ok Steel, as long as we're making NFL comparison's try this one

Mike D'Antoni=Mike Martz
-Both were handed the keys to very talented team's for roughly 3-4 yrs
-Both men re-invigorated and injected high powered offenses into their
respected leagues.
-Both men's offensive styles were "copied" to some extent by others.
-Both offensive philosophies were extremely effective early on until the
rest of the NFL/NBA figured it out and it became a gimmick.
-Both coaches scoffed at the idea of playing defense....or at the very
least, they didn't put enough emphasis on it.
-Both were arrogant in their personna's.
-Martz wouldn't run the ball to use the clock,D'Antoni wanted a shot put
up in 7 seconds or less regardless of the score.
-Both teams although very talented lacked in the fundamentals & mental
mistakes(RAMS/blocking,turnovers)(SUNS/setting picks,turnovers)
-Niether could win the "big game" despite several opportunities.
-Both are stubborn to change despite the critics/experts who claim that
defense wins championships.
-Both coaches ran an MVP into the ground.
-Both are named "Mike"

No denying that's a pretty good analogy...

Lately, all of the D'Antoni apologism has also put me in mind of a similar coach with which many of us are familiar: namely, Dirk Koetter. For all of the years that ASU underachieved under Dirk, I heard a lot of "but he makes our offense so exciting" and "who would we get that's better?" and "he took us to four straight bowl games, what else do you want?" and assorted other excuses as to why the mediocrity of ASU under his tenure was everybody else's fault but Dirk's. It must be something about Phoenix-based fans that they fall in love with the shallow attraction of a glossy offensive oriented coach to the utter exclusion of all logic.

And when all was said and done, ASU ended up doing the smart thing in dumping Koetter, taking a chance on a less than glitzy meat-and-potatoes coach in a recycled Dennis Erickson, and now the program is headed upwards for the first time in nearly a decade.

 

[mojorizen7]

^^^^Funny because my best friend is an ASU football die-hard & we joked many times about the Martz/Koetter comparison's.....I've always said:The thicker the playbook, the more things that can get F'ed up at the line of scrimmage.
LOL

 

[Andrew]

I am a Rams fan and they are my home town team, they didn't lose that game, the Pats cheated.

Not as a head coach.
As a head coach Martz had one appearance with arguably one of the most talented team's in NFL history and lost.
(But you & i are well aware of that aren't we Cheese?)

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[arthurracoon]

As a head coach Martz had one appearance with arguably one of the most talented team's in NFL history and lost.

If I remember correctly, it was because he refused to run the ball

 

[Andrew]

I don't know if this was posted, but news via David Aldridge is he expects Mike to resign early next week and that Steve wants to talk it over...

 

[mojorizen7]

If I remember correctly, it was because he refused to run the ball

Yeah & he had Marshall Faulk in the prime of his career too.....Martz was badly outcoached by Belichek but there were a few eye-raising things that went on surrounding that SB that reeked of false drama IMO....putting it kindly.

 

[Andrew]

Faulk was a beast, and now our beast is Jackson.