Bye bye Surtain

[joko4]

chiefs on verge of landing Miami cornerback Surtain

April 22, 2005
By Clark Judge
CBS SportsLine.com Senior Writer

The Kansas City Chiefs were supposed to look to the draft for help at cornerback -- and they still might. They just don't have to do it in the first round.

That's because the club is on the verge of making a trade with Miami that would send cornerback Patrick Surtain to the Chiefs for a second-round pick, the 46th overall, in Saturday's draft, NFL sources said early Friday.

The deal, which could be announced Friday, is contingent upon Surtain passing a team physical.

According to sources, this week the Chiefs reached a contractual settlement with Surtain on an extension -- clearing the way for the completion of negotiations with Miami. Surtain was entering the last year of his contract with the Dolphins and was given permission to seek a trade, with the Chiefs the most interested club.

Terms of the trade were not complete, but league sources indicated the Chiefs surrendered the second-round choice they insisted they would not trade during talks the past month. Instead, they tried offering a fourth-rounder and combination of picks, but Miami was not interested.

Until now.

Making the deal not only clears over $6 million in cap space for the Dolphins, but it puts them into the second round of Saturday's NFL Draft. The Dolphins sacrificed their second-round choice to Philadelphia a year ago when they traded for quarterback A.J. Feeley.

The Chiefs completed trade talks two days after it appeared they were slowing down. It is unclear what produced movement, but one NFL source said the Raiders' trade of cornerback Phillip Buchanon to Houston had an impact. The Texans surrendered second and third-round draft choices for the disgruntled Buchanon, who is younger but not as highly regarded as Surtain.

Surtain fills an immediate need in Kansas City, where the Chiefs were last in pass defense and 31st overall. Surtain, 28, was named to the Pro Bowl twice and missed only four games in a seven-year career.

He also joins former Miami teammate Sammy Knight in Kansas City. Knight, a safety, was acquired as a free-agent.

Surtain becomes the fourth significant addition to a defense that crippled Kansas City last year. The club also added linebacker Kendrell Bell and defensive end Carlos Hall.

His addition does not mean the Chiefs will not draft defense with the 15th choice Saturday. They almost surely will. But they don't necessarily have to draft a cornerback, with Georgia safety Thomas Davis -- who projects as an outside linebacker -- or a pass rusher now a possibility.

 

[Russ Smith]

Well that sucks. Also proves that we could not get him AFTER swapping picks with Buffalo since the KC 46 pick is higher than our 55 would be. Given Surtain has to agree to a contract also that would mean it's highly unlikely Miami would hold up the deal to go from 46 to 44 and let us negotiate with Surtain.

I hope this doesn't turn out to be one of those mistakes that haunts us, Surtain would have really filled a need for us but we'll never know how seriously we were a player for him.

 

[football karma]

Ever the optimist --

that is one team in the mid to late first round that wont be taking a corner should the Cards go in a different direction with #8

For whatever reason, the Surtain thing to the Cards just never had any momentum.

 

[WildBB]

Ever the optimist --

that is one team in the mid to late first round that wont be taking a corner should the Cards go in a different direction with #8

For whatever reason, the Surtain thing to the Cards just never had any momentum.

for one thing the price is too high for him. He's good and all, but he makes too much $$$$$$$$$$$.

Give me the 2nd any day.

 

[seesred]

Aside from this board I heard nothing that led me to believe that we were ever negotiating to get him. No visit, no agent on local radio, heck they didn't even use us for leverage. We never had Surtain as an option.

GBR
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In Green we trust

 

[bills_phan]

Travis Henry's price just went up!

 

[RedStorm]

Travis Henry's price just went up!

I would rather we keep Shelton as a backup and draft a RB in the 2nd than given in to TD's ego.

Bye, bye...

 

[bills_phan]

I would rather we keep Shelton as a backup and draft a RB in the 2nd than given in to TD's ego.

Bye, bye...

Yes, but you're not the GM! Good luck with your secondary and/or running game!

With the 44th pick in the 2005 NFL Draft, the Buffalo Bills select...

 

[JC_AZ]

According to KDUS this morning... it has apparently been agreed to this morning...

and Bills Phan...DG will not be pressured into a "higher price" for Henry...when EGO's clash, TD will not prevail! If DG is going to up his ante, it will be for Bennett or one of the guys he like in the draft, and it does not have to be in the 'top 3'

 

[DKCards]

Travis Henry's price just went up!

WHY?

 

[Mulli]

Excellent negotiation. If the price for Henry did just go up, that would be a sign the Buffalo wasn't really interested in trading Henry. If the Cardinals already thought the Bills' asking price was too much, what good would raising the asking price do. It would just make it easier for the Cards to say, "pound sand, mulletheads."

 

[clif]

Travis Henry's price just went up!

?? what does a corner back's price have to do with a backup RB ?

 

[Renz]

Yes, but you're not the GM! Good luck with your secondary and/or running game!

With the 44th pick in the 2005 NFL Draft, the Buffalo Bills select...

Tell Losman to pack his track shoes because he is going to be running for his life.

 

[Russ Smith]

?? what does a corner back's price have to do with a backup RB ?

I assume he thinks we now have to take a CB at 8 and that means we'll overpay for Henry by swapping 2nds. It makes no difference, even if we do draft a CB at 8, we won't make the Henry deal until we're positive who's going to be there at 44, essentially we'll be on the clock when we decide to make or not make that deal. Because if the guy DG likes (be it Arrington, Fason, Moats whoever) is on the board, he's not going to pass on him for Henry he'll take the RB and try to move Shelton some other way.

 

[bills_phan]

I assume he thinks we now have to take a CB at 8 and that means we'll overpay for Henry by swapping 2nds. It makes no difference, even if we do draft a CB at 8, we won't make the Henry deal until we're positive who's going to be there at 44, essentially we'll be on the clock when we decide to make or not make that deal. Because if the guy DG likes (be it Arrington, Fason, Moats whoever) is on the board, he's not going to pass on him for Henry he'll take the RB and try to move Shelton some other way.

Ding, ding, ding!!!

 

[Pariah]

Ding, ding, ding!!!

AZ was never in negotiations with Surtain anyway. His deal with KC has no bearing on the Henry trade.

In other news, Aaron Glenn will be released. So, if we use your logic, the Cards could sign Glenn and not use the #8 pick on a CB, thus rendering the Surtain signing immaterial.

Either way you look at it, it's a non-event for the Henry/Shelton deal.

 

[Capital Card]

Not sure if this is the right thread or not, but IMO, the Shelton/Henry trade will go through; but, not until the eve of training camp. Obviously, there would be no exchanging of picks.

Go Cards!!!

 

[Pariah]

Not sure if this is the right thread or not, but IMO, the Shelton/Henry trade will go through; but, not until the eve of training camp. Obviously, there would be no exchanging of picks.

Go Cards!!!

I doubt it--we'll already have drafted a RB, most likely in the first round.

 

[Stout]

Also, KC is now out of the running, most likely, for a high-pick CB, which means the likelihood of a good CB in the 2nd round just went up by one player. So, that would make us MORE likely to take a RB in round one, not LESS likely.

Spin it how you want, Buffalo. You do not have ANY LEVERAGE AT ALL unless we're on the clock in round two, haven't taken a RB yet, and none of the RBs we wanted in the second are left. Unless and until that happens, WE still hold the leverage.

Btw, good luck drafting that starting LT in the second round. Losman better put rear-view mirrors on his helmet

 

[Pariah]

Also, KC is now out of the running, most likely, for a high-pick CB,

I'm not so sure about that. If one of the big three fall to them, I can't see them passing him up...not with the Raiders' passing game in their division. Jones or Rogers would be a real bargain for them at 13 (or wherever they pick in the first--it's somewhere around 13).

 

[Stout]

I'm not so sure about that. If one of the big three fall to them, I can't see them passing him up...not with the Raiders' passing game in their division. Jones or Rogers would be a real bargain for them at 13 (or wherever they pick in the first--it's somewhere around 13).

Sure, maybe they still do. But it at least makes the likelihood far less.

 

[Syracusecards]

I just heard on ESPN Radio that his contract is 7 years for something like 50 million with a 15(I think) million dollar signing bonus. I like Surtain, but trading our second rounder and then paying him that much is insane. I'm glad we didn't go after him now.

 

[Russ Smith]

I just heard on ESPN Radio that his contract is 7 years for something like 50 million with a 15(I think) million dollar signing bonus. I like Surtain, but trading our second rounder and then paying him that much is insane. I'm glad we didn't go after him now.

ESPN says 14 guaranteed meaning some of that is salary not all bonus.

The 50 number is fake just Like Fitz's 60 number is, there's never any intention for Surtain to get to the end on that deal they'll either cut him or redo the deal down the line. Even if the 14 was all bonus, over 7 years that's 2 million a year caphit.

14 in bonus was too much cash for us but I'm betting it was closer to 11 with a 3 million salary. A lot of money to be sure but the total deal reported is monopoly money.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

WOW!


Cards seem like they were used as a negotiating ploy here.

Chiefs make offer. Fins make counter. Chiefs decline, won't budge. Time passes. Fins get anxious. Fins "begin" dropping names that AZ is also interested in Surtain. Chiefs move and make deal.

The Cards were NEVER gonna make this deal. It goes against DG's M.O. He has said, he wanted to bring in young FA's on their second contract 3-5 years into the league (Griffith outstanding) and sign them to reasonable contracts. Not just 1 superstar.

Surtain is , what? 32? and commanding big money? Never was gonna happen. AZ was used!