Cal vs Oregon

[O]

It's turning into an exciting game.
24 to 24, seven minutes left.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

 

[green machine]

Wow, what an amazing play for Oregon to seemingly lose it (review isn't back yet). Guy fumbles it through the end zone from the half yard line, goes out of bounds. Should be a touchback and Cal's ball.

 

[O]

Oregon's last three possessions of the game, two int's and a fumble.
They could have won it if they hadn't made mistakes, they had Cal reeling.

 

[AZBALLER]

Oregon's last three possessions of the game, two int's and a fumble.
They could have won it if they hadn't made mistakes, they had Cal reeling.

So you think Oregon is better? I'm not disagreeing, just wondering? I think the Pac might have 3 teams worthy of the top 10, but then again I'm biased.

 

[Assface]

So you think Oregon is better? I'm not disagreeing, just wondering? I think the Pac might have 3 teams worthy of the top 10, but then again I'm biased.

The Pac 10 has come a long way the last few years.

 

[Russ Smith]

Oregon's last three possessions of the game, two int's and a fumble.
They could have won it if they hadn't made mistakes, they had Cal reeling.

True but to be fair, Cal won that game anyways if the ref didn't call a FG no good that appeared to me(and both announcers) to have been good.

Breakout game for Jackson but again points out what a hot and cold QB Longshore is, missed at least 3 easy TD passes in this game due to bad throws.

Cal's DL is so beat up the week off will do them wonders, they were visibly exhausted late in that game it's pretty remarkable that Oregon didn't come all the way back.

 

[Southpaw]

There is one possibilty in the fumble play that I didn't see mentioned by anyone. If the Cal player literally knocked the ball out of the WRs hand, isn't he the last player to touch it? The Dave Casper rule was designed to eliminate deliberate fumbling forward by the ball carrier. This interpretation , from the Cal/Oregon game seems wrong. If the rule defines that as deliberate fumbling then it sure as Hell needs to be changed.

 

[Russ Smith]

There is one possibilty in the fumble play that I didn't see mentioned by anyone. If the Cal player literally knocked the ball out of the WRs hand, isn't he the last player to touch it? The Dave Casper rule was designed to eliminate deliberate fumbling forward by the ball carrier. This interpretation , from the Cal/Oregon game seems wrong. If the rule defines that as deliberate fumbling then it sure as Hell needs to be changed.

Ezeff didn't touch the ball he hit the Wr who tried to extend the ball forward, but it fell out of his hands and past the pylon out of bounds for a touchback.

They made the right call, it was lucky for Cal how the ball rolled but the call was absolutely correct we must have seen 50 replays during the live telecast. They were originally wonderin(announcers) did he cross the line before he fumbled, that was clear he didn't, then they started looking if the ball was past the pylon or not and it clearly was from at least 2 of the angles they showed.

Tough break for Oregon but absolutely the right call.

 

[Southpaw]

Ezeff didn't touch the ball he hit the Wr who tried to extend the ball forward, but it fell out of his hands and past the pylon out of bounds for a touchback.

They made the right call, it was lucky for Cal how the ball rolled but the call was absolutely correct we must have seen 50 replays during the live telecast. They were originally wonderin(announcers) did he cross the line before he fumbled, that was clear he didn't, then they started looking if the ball was past the pylon or not and it clearly was from at least 2 of the angles they showed.

Tough break for Oregon but absolutely the right call.

I am not basing my perception on the TV clowns. They didn't have a clue. I saw the ball knocked out of the WRs hand. I did not see him throw it forward. I may be wrong , but that is what I saw.

 

[Russ Smith]

I am not basing my perception on the TV clowns. They didn't have a clue. I saw the ball knocked out of the WRs hand. I did not see him throw it forward. I may be wrong , but that is what I saw.

No he didn't throw it forward, he fumbled out of the endzone which is a touchback. Doesn't have to be intentional. The rule you're thinking about the Casper play, prevents intentionally fumbling or kicking the ball towards the endzone to keep the play alive so you can recover it. That rule only comes into effect if you recover the fumble, any fumble that goes out of the endzone, is a touchback.

If Ezeff had knocked the ball out, and had control, then it would have been different, all he did, was cause the fumble. He hit the WR who was extending for the pylon and the ball came out.

 

[Southpaw]

No he didn't throw it forward, he fumbled out of the endzone which is a touchback. Doesn't have to be intentional. The rule you're thinking about the Casper play, prevents intentionally fumbling or kicking the ball towards the endzone to keep the play alive so you can recover it. That rule only comes into effect if you recover the fumble, any fumble that goes out of the endzone, is a touchback.

If Ezeff had knocked the ball out, and had control, then it would have been different, all he did, was cause the fumble. He hit the WR who was extending for the pylon and the ball came out.

I don't think I am making myself clear on this. I know what the ruling was and I understand the penalty. I think it is a bad rule and clearly one sided for the defense. I will attempt to be more clear.

The offensive player is carrying the ball near the end zone. The defender comes up and hits the ball. The laws of physics will dictate who actually touched the ball last. If it does not carom back off of the offensive ball carrier and clearly gets knocked out of his grasp by the defender, then the defender is the last to touch the ball. That makes it a bad rule. I would like to see the ball go back to the point of non possession. I know it is the rule, I am just pointing out why it stinks. The defense gets the ball back without ever taking possession of the ball prior to it leaving the field of play, even though the offensive player did not fumble it forward for advantage. That is why I think it sucks and puts the defense at an unfair advantage.

Any place else on the field, the defense has to take over control in the field of play before they can be awarded the ball. Play review could discern the difference very easily.


Change the rule now. Damn it!

 

[Russ Smith]

I don't think I am making myself clear on this. I know what the ruling was and I understand the penalty. I think it is a bad rule and clearly one sided for the defense. I will attempt to be more clear.

The offensive player is carrying the ball near the end zone. The defender comes up and hits the ball. The laws of physics will dictate who actually touched the ball last. If it does not carom back off of the offensive ball carrier and clearly gets knocked out of his grasp by the defender, then the defender is the last to touch the ball. That makes it a bad rule. I would like to see the ball go back to the point of non possession. I know it is the rule, I am just pointing out why it stinks. The defense gets the ball back without ever taking possession of the ball prior to it leaving the field of play, even though the offensive player did not fumble it forward for advantage. That is why I think it sucks and puts the defense at an unfair advantage.

Any place else on the field, the defense has to take over control in the field of play before they can be awarded the ball. Play review could discern the difference very easily.


Change the rule now. Damn it!

I get you but I didn't realize you were just saying change the rule. I do agree with the idea, fumble out of bounds on the 5 it's the offenses's ball, fumble out of the endzone, defense gets teh ball. Seems a bit odd.

But I'm glad that was the rule on Saturday for Cal's sake!

 

[Southpaw]

I get you but I didn't realize you were just saying change the rule. I do agree with the idea, fumble out of bounds on the 5 it's the offenses's ball, fumble out of the endzone, defense gets teh ball. Seems a bit odd.

But I'm glad that was the rule on Saturday for Cal's sake!

and the most important aspect is the " defense " provides the impetus for the ball going out of bounds.

 

[spikecop02]

I hate that rule!