Calderon Wants Out of Toronto

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From the Toronto Sun:

Calderon trade the best option

Things must change, guard tells Spanish paper

By FRANK ZICARELLI, TORONTO SUN


Each time Jose Calderon opens his mouth or uses his personal website as a platform to vent, he inadvertently is fuelling a controversy that is headed for one ugly climax.
Most NBA observers figured the Raptors' chances of keeping both Calderon and T.J. Ford were minimal at best.
As the team's off-season continues, the chances grow even slimmer, the possibility of a trade more likely as the chasm between Ford and Calderon widens.
At this point, all Calderon can do is wait until July 1, when NBA free agency kicks in.
In his case, Calderon becomes a restricted free agent and the Raptors have steadfastly stated they will match any offer.
With so few teams having cap space, the most Calderon can expect is a mid-level offer, which is expected to be in the neighbourhood of $5.6 million US, doubling his stipend from last season.
Sign-and-trade scenarios are possible and teams conceivably can clear space, factors that could lead to a more lucrative offer for Calderon.
But the fact remains that one of Calderon or Ford must go.
There is no market for Ford, while teams privately covet Calderon, who would make both a playing and cultural fit in markets such as Miami and Los Angeles.
Not that the Raptors needed further evidence of the growing divide at the point, but quotes attributed to Calderon highlight a rift with Ford.
"I would like to start and that's the most important thing,'' Calderon is quoted as saying in yesterday's edition of the Spanish daily sports newspaper El Mundo Deportivo, a sentiment he first shared with visitors to his website.
But now comes the kicker.
Continued Calderon in the article: "I've been two years with him but I don't know if I could be another year because things would have to change."
Barring a complete personality makeover by Ford, which doesn't seem likely, nothing can change in Raptorland.
That is why a change in scenery for Calderon is best for all parties concerned.
People have been clamouring for a player such as Corey Maggette of the Los Angeles Clippers, an athletic wing who is capable of averaging 20 a night and attacking the rim.
The Clippers can use a point guard and Calderon's family probably wouldn't object to southern California's warm climate.
It's just one of many possibilities to ponder as July 1 approaches and as the Raptors try to solve their mess at the point position.
Home sweet home
Heading into Game 6 of the Hornets-Spurs series in San Antonio last night, home teams in the second round of the post-season had gone 19-1. Detroit produced the only road win, in Game 4 of its series against Orlando.
Theories abound as to why home teams have dominated, but none offers any logical explanation.
What is known is that no team in NBA history has won a championship without posting a road victory.
The Celtics might buck that trend.
Against Atlanta, Boston averaged 102.3 points in its four home wins and only 77.0 points in three away losses to the Hawks.
The second-round numbers aren't as pronounced as the Celtics prepare to face the Cavs in Cleveland tonight.
"We're going to get one,'' Celtics coach Doc Rivers said of that elusive road conquest. "I don't know when. It would be great if it's Game 6."
Dirk throwing dirt
Dirk Nowitzki didn't mince words on Wednesday when the Mavs formally introduced Rick Carlisle as head coach, replacing Avery Johnson.
"We just had to get a change here, for both sides," Nowitzki said. "We need somebody now who can get the best out of this team, who finds a way to get the best out of everybody."
Make no mistake: Star players run the NBA and when a team's star feels alienated by a coach, the outcome is as inevitable as it is unavoidable.
"I think that's what Avery was missing a little bit, the communication with the players individually," Nowitzki said. "Because it's still a player's league. It's not a league of coaches."
 

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Dirk Nowitzki didn't mince words on Wednesday when the Mavs formally introduced Rick Carlisle as head coach, replacing Avery Johnson.
"We just had to get a change here, for both sides," Nowitzki said. "We need somebody now who can get the best out of this team, who finds a way to get the best out of everybody."

Make no mistake: Star players run the NBA and when a team's star feels alienated by a coach, the outcome is as inevitable as it is unavoidable.
"I think that's what Avery was missing a little bit, the communication with the players individually," Nowitzki said. "Because it's still a player's league. It's not a league of coaches."

Not very politic, but clearly Dirk is right on. Based on what I saw of Avery on the sidelines, he seemed to be too intense and always angry at his players. Maybe he was different off the court, but he came across as totally negative and that can wear on people.
 

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Not very politic, but clearly Dirk is right on. Based on what I saw of Avery on the sidelines, he seemed to be too intense and always angry at his players. Maybe he was different off the court, but he came across as totally negative and that can wear on people.

Alot of players dont want to play for coaches that are disciplinarians. Its a players league, not a coaches league. Perhaps only phil jackson can be harsh and still have players want to play for him. Even Pop screens players to make sure that they will take his crap. Players often get rid of disciplinarian coaches like scott skiles and larry brown by just refusing to play for them. The larry brown AI debacle was just hilarious, and guess who didnt change? In the NBA, where F the coach and still get the huge check happens.
 

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Calderon to Clips for Maggette is feasible. Maggette would be a good fit with Moon, Bosh, Parker and Ford. Calderon would turn the Clips around as well. Is Calderon enough to get Maggette and #6 or just Maggete for the Clips though. I would do it either way if I were either team.
 

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Alot of players dont want to play for coaches that are disciplinarians. Its a players league, not a coaches league. Perhaps only phil jackson can be harsh and still have players want to play for him. Even Pop screens players to make sure that they will take his crap. Players often get rid of disciplinarian coaches like scott skiles and larry brown by just refusing to play for them. The larry brown AI debacle was just hilarious, and guess who didnt change? In the NBA, where F the coach and still get the huge check happens.

There actually is a big difference between being a screamer and being a disciplinarian. I don't remember seeing Pop ripping his guys on the sidelines.

Every situation is different. The Bulls didn't have any true superstars to undercut Skiles. They had a young team with some really useful trading pieces and a management team that just couldn't make a deal for a superstar (they could have offered a lot more than the Celtics did for Garnett). It is interesting that everybody was rumored to be traded and excelpt for Walllace, none were.

Avery may have been a disciplinarian, but seemed clueless about what their real offensive problems were - he had a team on "one on one" guys and never got them to change. Grossly overpaying for Kidd did not change that.
 

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There actually is a big difference between being a screamer and being a disciplinarian. I don't remember seeing Pop ripping his guys on the sidelines.

Then you haven't been paying attention. I remember just a few short years ago watching Parker get his butt chewed on during every time out (it seemed). Popp lights up players all the time on the sideline.

BTW, everything has to have a balance. You can't be a complete mean disciplinarian, or a complete nice non-disciplinarian. You have to strike an effective balance.
 

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Avery may have been a disciplinarian, but seemed clueless about what their real offensive problems were - he had a team on "one on one" guys and never got them to change. Grossly overpaying for Kidd did not change that.


Avery lost his players, they stopped believing him, it happens to all coaches. As far as the isolations, those WERE avery's offense. HE controlled the running of the isolations. When Kidd came, he even removed Kidd to make sure the isos were effective. Avery Johnson is a terrible offensive coach, the mavs has the lowest assisted basket percentge among playoff teams for years.
 

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Then you haven't been paying attention. I remember just a few short years ago watching Parker get his butt chewed on during every time out (it seemed). Popp lights up players all the time on the sideline.

BTW, everything has to have a balance. You can't be a complete mean disciplinarian, or a complete nice non-disciplinarian. You have to strike an effective balance.

There is something about Parker's expression that makes ME want to chew him out. I think Pop has shown admirable restraint. :p
 

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There is something about Parker's expression that makes ME want to chew him out. I think Pop has shown admirable restraint. :p

I think Pop is just pissed he didn't marry Eva, and takes it out on poor Tony.
 

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Alot of players dont want to play for coaches that are disciplinarians. Its a players league, not a coaches league. Perhaps only phil jackson can be harsh and still have players want to play for him. Even Pop screens players to make sure that they will take his crap. Players often get rid of disciplinarian coaches like scott skiles and larry brown by just refusing to play for them. The larry brown AI debacle was just hilarious, and guess who didnt change? In the NBA, where F the coach and still get the huge check happens.

That's why college-to-pro coaches rarely ever work out right away, if ever. It's different when, in college, everyone's careers are dependent on you. In the NBA, you're coaching men who not only make more money than you, but men whom your career is dependent on.
 

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Calderon to Clips for Maggette is feasible. Maggette would be a good fit with Moon, Bosh, Parker and Ford. Calderon would turn the Clips around as well. Is Calderon enough to get Maggette and #6 or just Maggete for the Clips though. I would do it either way if I were either team.
I am a Clippers fan (don't start) and this should be a simple sign and trade from us (Maggette can opt out July 1st). I would love to this happen. We need a PG and they need a scorer. Maggette is making 8.5 million a year so I am not sure if a trade were to happen how it would work out. I guess we would have to take a scrub & Calderon to match salaries.
I'd kill for the chance of a trade like this...
 

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Nash can come off the bench

Or maybe Steve would actually prefer going back to Canada after the coaching change. Nash is my favorite Suns player but I can see him wanting to bail out after the departure of BC and now D'Antoni. Toronto and BC might want to reclaim a Canadian hero in some kind of trade for Calderon.
 

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Or maybe Steve would actually prefer going back to Canada after the coaching change. Nash is my favorite Suns player but I can see him wanting to bail out after the departure of BC and now D'Antoni. Toronto and BC might want to reclaim a Canadian hero in some kind of trade for Calderon.

That got me interested until I looked at the Toronto roster and realized there's no one worth including in a deal for Nash other than Bosh and Calderon.
 

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I like Humphies as well as Calderon but the whole idea would allow the Suns to start rebuilding on the fly. I just do not see a new HC taking the Suns to a higher level next season. Calderon is not only a good PG now but he is young enough to be the Suns PG of the future.
 

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He wants to start. That means he is not coming here.

I'm not so certain. Considering how much the Suns want to reduce Nash's minutes, it is not out of the question that the Suns could promise him starter's minutes. Perhaps more importantly, he would become the heir to take over from an MVP rather than backing up a guy who Jose thinks is inferior to him.

Statistically Calderon compares very favorably with Barbosa

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Leandro Barbosa
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Position: G
Height: 6-3 Weight: 202
From: Brazil
Player file | Team stats
2007-08 Statistics

PPG15.6

RPG2.8

APG2.6

SPG0.9

BPG0.2

FG%0.462

FT%0.822

3P%0.389

MPG29.5



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Jose Calderon
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Position: G
Height: 6-3 Weight: 210
From: Spain
Player file | Team stats
2007-08 Statistics

PPG11.2

RPG2.9

APG8.3

SPG1.1

BPG0.1

FG%0.519

FT%0.908

3P%0.429

MPG30.3

Straight up the Raptors don't make that deal, but their leverage is a bit limited if he holds out. If they get him back for one year, they risk losing him a year from now without compensation and have the chemistry issues that come from a guy who is really really unhappy. So while BC would like the problem to go away, he may not get a better offer than LB.

The mechanics of making the deal is simple enough. Barbosa is scheduled to make $6 million next season, which is enough to put together are reasonable deal that will be above the MLE. Calderon is probably worth more, but will have a hard time getting the money as an RFA and few teams with cap space.

Leadnro has been a big part of the team's recent success, but getting a real point guard has to be priority. The hard part from Kerr's standpoint is negotiating the deal without Barbosa feeling he's being shopped, which would be very destructive if the deal falls through.
 
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He wants to start. That means he is not coming here.

Start Calderon and Nash. Calderon can score when he wants to as can Nash. I'd send Barbosa for Calderon there in a heartbeat.

I've seen quite a bit of Calderon now that I live in Canada and he's the real deal. Not CP3 real deal, but definitely up there.
 

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Calderon and Nash TOGETHER? Youre insane, that would be the smallest backcourt ever, let alone the defense would be a joke.
 
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It may be insane enough to work. ;)

Really what this does as I see it is have direct replacement ready for Nash. Good PG's don't come around all that often.
 

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The problem with grooming Calderon to be Nash's replacement is that Calderon is already almost 27 years old. By the time Nash is out of the way in two years, he will be 29. It just doesn't make sense for the Suns to make that kind of investment (in terms of either salary or assets given up) for the privilege of keeping someone on hold until he's already in the second half of his career.
 
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The problem with grooming Calderon to be Nash's replacement is that Calderon is already almost 27 years old. By the time Nash is out of the way in two years, he will be 29. It just doesn't make sense for the Suns to make that kind of investment (in terms of either salary or assets given up) for the privelege of keeping someone on hold until he's already in the second half of his career.

Why not? If Calderon can get the job done immediately and take over the Barbosa minutes, it would not have anything to do with grooming. As for a long term project, Strawberry may be worth the wait.

Reports are that Calderon is fairly good defender (much better than Leandro) and with 8.3 assists per game seems better suited to running the offense than the "by committee" approach the Suns used this year.

As for playing Nash and Calderon together, Calderon is listed as being 6'3" and 210, so he's as big as Leandro or slightly bigger.

BTW, since I'm a big fan of LB, I don't push this lightly. My concern is that I don't care much for the PG's projected late lottery. Westbrook is a combo and Augstine is not much of a defender.
 

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If i'm GM I still shop both NASH,BELL and BARBOSA to Toronto/Portland/Golden State for young talent/picks. With our frontcourt locked up w/SHAQ/AMARE/DIAW for the next couple years we need to re-build our backcourt due to the fact that it's aging(Nash/Bell),defensively horrible(Nash/Barbosa),and slow(Nash/Bell).
 

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