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I don't think i have ever heard a team and a coach mention the game conditions, time, place, weather, etc. more than BA and the Cardinals. It's to the point where it even because the focus of the FOX crew.

Freaking A. It's football...it's the NFL you only get 16 games a year. Buckle up your chinstraps and play, for crying out loud.

The way the Cardinals came out in this game signaled that mentally it was over even before it started.

Everybody knows that going to Carolina you have to be prepared to account for a front seven that is going to come out flying and swinging.

Interestingly, Bruce Arians, arguably one of the brightest and most experienced offensive coordinators in the NFL, has had zero answers as to how to back their defense off. Clearly the Panthers are having trouble covering---why not start in a shotgun and throw an array of quick to intermediate passes, even with max protection?

Tom Brady once started a game versus a ferocious front 7 by throwing the ball 18 times in a row to start the game and it backed them off quickly.

Then versus Carolina what the QB HAS to know is he has to take a sack and not panic---he cannot turn the ball over.

Surely, it looked like Palmer tried to throw a short armed flick pass---but it was a pure panic move on his part. Why? He wasn't throwing it to anyone. David Johnson was not in a clear passing lane and there is no way a shovel pass could make its way downfield to the WR 15 yards away. That's why the refs didn't blow the whistle---if the pass lands near Johnson, they probably make that call, if they had a clear shot of it.

What the play should have been is intentional grounding (even Mike Perreira said it was a forward pass)---which Palmer had issues with on the ensuing drives. But...better than turning the ball over.

It's too bad the Cardinals were not able to weather the early storm, because Palmer, despite getting sacked 8 times and hit 7 others, was game---and was on target on almost every one of his throws. He deserves a lot of credit for not going totally into the tank like he did last year.

It's too bad too that once again Bruce Arians commits a major error by not throwing the challenge flag on the Olsen non-catch. He made the same egregious mistake versus the Bills.

if anyone needs to wake up in these early games it is Bruce Arians.

It's inexcusable.

By not coaching Palmer not to panic early in the game and take sacks if necessary---and by not challenging an obvious out of bounds catch, that cost the Cardinals 11 points---and they wound up losing by 10.

Finishing up on the offense---David Johnson was going to have a tough time running the ball versus their front and LBers---that much you have to pretty much concede going in---but he was able to pick his spots and it's too bad that some of his best runs and some of the best plays (like the great pass to Ellington) were called back by trifling-type penalties.

It seems likes the Cardinals get no love form the officials---just maybe it is tied into the officials getting no love from Bruce Arians. I can't think of another NFL head coach who drops more f-bombs on officials than Arians. You don't see the past three Super Bowl HCs treating the officials with such blatant disrespect---do you? Carroll, Belichick and Kubiak. You don't see Ron Riveira cussing refs out.

There comes a point where refs will retaliate---it is human nature.

BA said nationally last week that he would call the NFL and get another "BS" answer. While we all get his frustration---but it obviously isn't helping his cause or the team's.

The reality is---the NFL doesn't care. Not the Roger Goodell NFL.

It was a tough afternoon for the offensive line---but they kept trying to thwart that ferocious rush.

Earl Watford and D.J. Humphries are really struggling---the right side of the line is weak---and with the trading deadline coming up and a bye week to work in a new player or two, it will be interesting to see if Steve Keim addresses this Achilles heel. It's bad. It's costly bad.

The one sub who has been fantastic is John Wetzel, whom I was hoping would get the start over Watford at RG today---but Wetzel went in for an injured Veldheer and played excellently at LT.

Fitz, J.J. Nelson, Smokey Brown and Gresham all had some good catches---but there could have been plenty more had the Cardinals played with a greater cohesiveness, discipline and urgency.

On defense---the top performers were Calais Campbell, Deone Bucannon, Tony Jefferson and D.J. Swearinger. They all matched the physicality of the game and Jefferson created the turnover the Cardinals so desperately needed, only to have Palmer hold the ball too long and then panic on first down and throw the ball right into the arms of a defender.

One of the nuances that David Johnson is still learning is how to keep a clear passing lane for his QB when he is the safety valve---on the TD fumble and on the game-sealing interception, Johnson was standing behind defenders.

Very disappointing games from Minter, Jones, Bethel (until the last breakup), Cooper, and all the other DEs and DTs not named Campbell. Very disappointing too that Tyrann Mathieu suffered a shoulder injury. Not having him in the NFC Championship game hurt and now not having him making plays on Newton passes hurt.

The ST's play wasn't terrible---it just wasn't very good---very inconsistent. Watching Ellington take another dive on a 12 yard kickoff return kind of highlights to me why the Panthers think they can intimidate the Cardinals...

But the Cardinals finally fought back some in that second half and if Steve Keim and Bruce Arians can regroup the team, set higher standards of accountability (starting with themselves and the coaches) and take their preparation to a higher level, who knows?

Right now this team isn't really sure who or what they are...which is very frustrating for those of us who really bought into the "All or Nothing" mantra, Right now that hype feels like a real tease.
 
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I didn't see it live but he was clearly trying to shovel the ball to Johnson not throw the ball 15 yards downfield so I don't know where that comes into it. They COULD have called grounding because I don't think the ball got to the LOS but it hit the Panther defender fairly high in the flight path so it's entirely possible it WOULD have gotten to the LOS without touching him.

There's no way that's a fumble unless the ref ruled he came forward with an empty hand but I've watched the replay about 10 times now and he was pitching it forward to DJ when he got hit the ball squirts and his hand hits it forward but his hand was already coming forward.

I've seen 2 different national post game shows plus the Red Zone guys all say it was the wrong call, should have been incomplete pass.
 

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Bottom line: the team is below average and has lost focus and composure on offense.
 

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Forward pass not even questionable and for them not to review it was disgustingly irresponsible! All turnovers are supposed to be reviewed the refs are not supposed to be able to say we don't think it needs to be reviewed! It's AUTOMATiC review of any turnover! Total hack job cost the cardinals big time again!
 

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They are also supposed to review all scoring plays, so they're saying it wasn't even close enough to take a second look? That's crazy, but not on the ref. It's up to replay official in he booth, or is it someone in New York?
 
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They are also supposed to review all scoring plays, so they're saying it wasn't even close enough to take a second look? That's crazy, but not on the ref. It's up to replay official in he booth, or is it someone in New York?

It should be interesting to see if the NFL admits a mistake. Everyone who saw the replay could see Palmer's hand was moving forward. But...because he tried to throw it from just above his waist, it may have been impossible for the refs to see---thus the booth had to intervene and again this week, there seemed to be no one responding. Unreal.
 

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Really thought they would run max-protection the first half, especially coming off that 5 quarter physical game against Seattle last week.

BA really did not prepare the offense adequately this week knowing we were going to be exhausted on offense and the Panthers were coming off a bye and needed a win badly. ST were bad - we need a new coach and mindset.
 

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Mitch. I always love your posts and I agree Arians may cuss and yell at them alot but that doesn't mean you fail to do your job. The refs if...retaliating should be fined suspended or fired!!!!!! I would. You would. If a customer treated me crappy but I didn't give him the service he paid for like short shipping items. . Not fixing what you paid for..etc. i would be fired or sued!!!!!! The NFL has an obligation and they are ruinng there own sport because employers or coaches stand up to them. Brady and Bellichick get way over priced suspensions or fines. But if you are going to screw an NFL franchise because a grown man cusses at you....then your sorry ass should quit Reffing. Call the game right!!! But look around. Football is losing and losing big. Pittsburgh college coach blasts refs. Florida State Jumbo Fisher blasting refs...Josh Norman blasting refs. cam Newton blasting refs...Arians and Palmer blasting refs....Oakland gets called for 23 !!! Fricken penalties. Goodell is going to drag the NFL down....and you have to stand up and say it. Make the NFL prove they were right...and when they can't they look awful.
 

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You pretty much captured it all Mitch, though I actually thought Humphries played one of the better games today of all our lineman. I thought Watford and Shipley were essentially swiss cheese, and Iupati and Veldheer played their worst games so far this year.
What is most troubling is how Arians was severely outreached yet again. How in the world he went into this game thinking he can have Palmer repeatedly taking 5 step drops is just negligent. And to remain in the patter as long as he did, as Carson was getting pummeled, is beyond reckless... It's just stupid. I just don't get it...
Really concerning that Badger just can't stay healthy... Uggghhh...
Fitz is such a beast... such a pro's pro. He was hobbling around virtually the entire second half, but remained a key part of the offense the whole way.
Mike Floyd - why did you even suit up??
Minter in coverage was laughable once again...

Gonna be a frustrating rest of the way...
 

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Interesting take on the Refs and Arians. We definately are not getting any benefit of the doubt no calls (no harm no foul). With a bevy of holding calls in last weeks game vs. Seattle on both teams it seemed to be pretty fair. Some seemed ticky tacky, but it happened both ways. This week you can't tell me that the Carolina DL didn't have their hands in our OL's faces during this game. No penalties called for such the whole game. Then you flag Humphries in the 4th qtr??!! :confused: Noo Wayy. That was huge at that point of the game. Refs need to know when to let teams play, unless something is blatantly affecting the play at hand. This is what happens in the other leagues especially in the playoffs. No harm No foul.Let the teams decide the outcomes, NOT YOU.
 

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I'd like to chirp in with a few of my thoughts.

The Cardinals appeared to be running double teams on our DEs for the first quarter, though I didn't pay attention too much to what happened the rest of the time. Our DEs are below average, so they would've gotten through with one on one matchups, and double our DTs, who really matter.

Honestly I think the Cardinals underestimated our front. Our front looked like swiss cheese the past few weeks until today, so I wouldn't be surprised if Arians thought that way too

Our secondary was being carved, Arians proved that he could actually regroup and come up with a change. Short passes and slants are our defense's weakness so far, so taking advantage of that proved well.

The fact your pass rushers didn't show up was surprising. I mean Chandler Jones is a beast, but I'm appalled Remmers was able to make him more a non-factor. Daryl Williams at RT showed a lot of promise, and I hope he overtakes the starting spot from Remmers.

The Cardinals are a pretty good team. They are capable of winning most of their games. After all, coming off a 5 quarter sluggish game to come to the EC to play a team at 10:00am your time isn't exactly easy. I wouldn't be surprised to see a resurgence, and see the Cardinals overtake some teams on the last stretch, including the Falcons, who I think the Cardinals can stop with their defense, and beat their terrible defense offensively.

I think the Cardinals somehow sneak in the playoffs, they deserve it. Even with all your troubles, most Panther fans thought we had no hope at all for today, and Palmer would go 700 yards for 9 TDs, all to David Johnson and Fitzgerald. Just keep your head high, and I'm sure you'll be good down the stretch.
 

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Bottom line: the team is below average and has lost focus and composure on offense.
A different slant -- . The team - when it focuses - can be above average, but most if not all the players have a few weaknesses which, even when they seem to be corrected, tend to resurface during times of stress (i.e. Carson will hit a streak when he doesn't throw a screen right into the arms of a defender. Then - when we're counting on him the most - he'll steer the pass into Pick Six Land).

Too many of those mistakes - from failure to account for blitzing LB's off the edge to shanking a FG - keep cropping up every few games. Cleaning up a weakness when prepping for the next game isn't cleaning up - it's a temporary band-aid.

Also, don't ignore the mental aspect of the short week. Carolina (coming off a Bye) had an extra week to prep for us. We lost that extra week plus a full day to get ready for them.

Not to make excuses, but we weren't prepared. They were. We should have planned for Carolina's having that extra week and should have managed the discrepancy in prep time better. (i.e. If we were tipping off certain plays, they had an extra week to discover these).

We brought a feather into a gun fight.
 
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Good post Mitch. Sick of the excuses also. If you are a contender you show up every week.
 
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