Cardinals' Management Still Clueless

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No matter what this organization does during the offseason, its success or failure will bear itself once the season starts. Until we start putting 9 or 10 W's on the board EVERY year, then NOTHING has really changed. I feel the Cardinals are close to turning this around, but I'll believe it when it actually comes to fruition. I have to disagree with Mitch's tirade, but I can understand where he's coming from.
 

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How can you say knock AZ for not signing a vetran backup, then knock them for not finding the QBOF. Which is it? The thrid QB is useless in the NFL, so which do you want backing up Warner (mind you free agency and the draft are far from over, and this position will be addressed).
 

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Hly poo on a stick. I am skimming the artixcle and keep finding poor comments. How can you say that replacing Hutch with Tom Ashworth (who by the way is a tackle, not a G) is Seattle "upgrading their line?" in any way? That makes no sense. Hmmmm.... sounds like Seattle did more to HURT their line by not retaining Hutch than ever HELPING it.
 
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Renz said:
What exactly is my "song and dance"? We know what yours is, "Bidwills sell the team!" Booooorrrrrinnnng!

PS - It's never gonna happen so please attempt to come up with something fresh.

I am referring to the worn out non-original concept of writing zzzzzzzzzzzz to a comment that kool-aid drinkers respond with every time they read something they choose to disregard. If you have nothing to say then say nothing.
 

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Renz said:
What exactly is my "song and dance"? We know what yours is, "Bidwills sell the team!" Booooorrrrrinnnng!

PS - It's never gonna happen so please attempt to come up with something fresh.

BTW, I disagree with your PS. Whenever Billy B. passes on I fail to see how anybody in the Bidwill family will have the coin to pay the estate taxes necessary without selling the team. I have not read any stories about the Cardinals taking the necessary steps to bypass this predicament. It is how Dan Snyder became owner of the Redskins. I believe Lamar Hunt did something a few years ago to circumvent this problem, but I don't recall seeing that the Bidwill's have addressed this issue.
 

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I'm worried about the line....but I'm not.

Edge immediately makes this unit better. He's a vet that will take the hole that is given.....he's strong enough to actually fall forward once in awhile.

Loney immediately makes this line better. I'm not even exaggerating saying that Everett Lindsay did the worst job of coaching, at any position I've ever seen. It was like the line is not even allowed to talk to each other.

Milford Brown immediately makes the run blocking better.

As for BIG and Elton Brown....this is where Loney has to work his magic. He's got to get some type of scheme in place....and he's got to get these guys to get their blocks and get out to the 2nd level. Also wouldn't mind seeing Loney beat their cages with sticks and tease them with steaks....make them mean.

Green has put all of his chips behind Loney.....I think it'll work because I'm a big fan of coaching. I think they'll rise to about 20th in the league in YPC. The coaching last year was so bad we really don't even know what type of talent we have on the oline....if they fail again...the unit will be overhauled.....with a new head coach doing so.
 

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Russ Smith said:
Some fair points but at least give green and graves the draft before you blast them. Some of those problems may be resolved on draft day.

Do you honestly believe that will happen? Honestly?
 

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red desert said:
Do you honestly believe that will happen? Honestly?

If we select VY no way it happens. The first round at #10 is the only place in the draft where you are pretty much guaranteed any type of starter. This team need impact players now. Not a guy we can groom for 3 years from now.

I see Mitch's point in his posting but he is a tad early. I will give the team till after the draft and till the end of FA before I make a decision.
 

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Mitch said:
Warning: Kool Aid drinkers...flip to another thread. Why get flustered?

Once again, the Cardinals' management shows its ineptitude in its feeble attempts to build a winner in Arizona. With ample cap room going into the off-season, oceans of cap room available in 2007 and a brand new state-of-the-art stadium to stir tremendous excitement for the much beleaguered Cardinal fans...team management performs its traditional off-season belly flop.

What's immediately clear is that the people in the front office do not know how to evaluate and address the vulnerabilities of its football team...nor do they have any instincts as to how to learn from the shortcomings of a disappointing 5-11 season.

Yeah, management makes moves...but...and it's a big but....they never ever finish the job. Nor do they make the attempt to prioritize their acquisitions.

Let's analyze the key personnel moves of this off-season. Before we get into the specific signings, let's remind ourselves that the Cardinals' greatest needs going into free agency were at QB, LG, RG, RT, NT, WLB and FS.

1. Signing QB Kurt Warner. The postiives: (a) he brings continuity; (b) he showed last season he can move the ball in the air between the 20s pretty well still; (c) he still has a solid arm, when healthy; (d) he has the potential to be a good, veteran leader.

The negatives: (a) he is injury prone; (b) $5M plus a year at his age and history of injuries is risky; (c) he is not the QBOF; he is a short-term stop-gap; (d) he was ineffective in the red zone....yeah, yeah, blame it on the running game...but look at his decision making in the red zone...; (e) the Cardinals could have been major players in the Daunte Culpepper/Drew Brees sweepstakes...both young QBs coming off injuries, but scheduled to be healthy by September...and both, QBsOF.

This signing behooves the Cardinals to bring in a veteran backup...yet, as Rod Graves avowed today, the team won't consider a veteran backup until after the draft. So, what does that mean? The backup could be a rookie? And yeah...go ahead...let all the viable backups get signed by other teams now.

What about John Navarre and Rohan Davey? Realistic starters when Warner gets hurt?

2. DT Kendrick Clancy. The team needs a run-stuffing NT. Clancy is an undersized, but effectively quick UT, who could form a prolific rotation with Darnell Dockett...but, unless the Cardinals change their d-line scheme/philosophy, what will they do with Clancy? Who will play NT?

Meanwhile, why doesn't team management even entertain the thought of adding a Ted Washington (gone) or Sam Adams (still available) widebody who could fill the NT role...and groom a successor (to be taken in the draft)?

The Cardinals may get lucky with Langston Moore and/or Tim Bulman...both have potential to be adequate in the NT role...but, at this point, it's like hoping that Navarre and/or Davey are legitimate backup QBs.

3. G Milford Brown. He's a run blocking guard...has upside, but is not a proven commodity. However, this is the most reasonable signing the Cardinals have made this off-season...especially seeing as the Cardinals did not have a guard on the roster last year who could get any push as a run blocker.

Yet, to think that Brown is the ONLY outside free agent o-lineman acquired this off-season is about as mind-boggling as punting from the 42 yard line with 5 minutes left down 14 points.

4. RB Edgerrin James. Great player...noone can deny....but, how effective can he be behind the league's worst run blocking offensive line (and no proven free agents added to the mix)? Also, it seems this one signing broke the bank...ever since Edge was signed, the front office went on vacation...which is the WORST thing this front office could do right now.

5. G Reggie Wells. Remember Matt Joyce? The Cardinals loved his versatility and paid him handsomely...and he never settled down at a position, and he never really played all that well. Why? Matt Joyce was a decent pass blocker, but he couldn't get any formidible push in the running game...so he wasn't really a guard, and he was a fill-in tackle. This is Reggie Wells to date. Watch him on tape on running plays. He gets ZERO push...because he does not match up physically against the league's DTs. And the team opts to pay him 5/$18M???

Even worse...far stronger run blockers like Larry Allen and even Stephen Neal are out there, and the Cardinals have NO interest? Larry Allen at 50% is better than any guard on the current roster, including Milford Brown.

If the Cardinals get lucky and G Max Jean-Gilles slips to them at #42...Jean-Gilles and Milford Brown will be the starting guards...which means Wells may not even start...unless he wins the center or tackle jobs, and right now who knows if Wells can be a good starter at center or tackle? His most natural position...IMO...is at RT. Let's hope he gets tried there and he replaces the inept Oliver Ross.

The Seahawks go out and sign T Tom Ashworth...which means, even though their o-line (even without Hutch) is five times as good as the Cardinals'...the Seahawks have done MORE to upgrade their o-line than the Cardinals have. UNTHINKABLE.

The Seahawks have their eyes on the Lombardi Trophy. Obviously, the Cardinals do not.

This is deja-vu all over again. Last year Green signs Ross and announces that the team is set with Wells and Bridges at guard. L.J. Shelton is cut. When asked if he has done enough, he said the team will wait for June 1st cuts. You know the rest. And let's avoid rewinding back another year to you know who.

The fact remains...now that the front office is dormant until the draft....the team still has major needs at QB, LG, RT, NT and FS....not to even mention special teams (horrible last year) and a starting punt returner (equally horrible last year).

Are we really going to watch Robert Griffith get torched at FS another year?

Just as the Cardinals on the field can't finish out games and are poorly managed to do so...the Cardinal front office can't finish out an off-season. This year is the epitome of that notion.

Walter, you nailed it. Yet again.
 

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What a 'shock' that you agreed.
 
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With some unease, I am ready to give the front office the benefit of the doubt right now --

I do beleive the Cards need better depth at the tackle slot (as many have pointed out), but beleive that a OT will be taken on the first day of the draft. Between the Browns, Wells, Step and Leckey, the three interior o line positions are set (in management's eyes)

Why the benefit of the doubt?

I also beleive that coaching matters. I beleive the continuity matters and that just keeping the top seven healthy and in the same general positions will help. I believe that Edge will help : Edge 4.2 yards a carry -- all other Colt RB's -- a very Cardinalesque circa 2005 3.5 yards a carry.

and as NEZ pointed out -- Green and Graves are staking their jobs on the line working.
 

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Even worse...far stronger run blockers like Larry Allen and even Stephen Neal are out there, and the Cardinals have NO interest? Larry Allen at 50% is better than any guard on the current roster, including Milford Brown.

Yeah, they are real road graders.

The Patriots ranked 24th in the NFL in rushing and Cowboys were was so great running the ball that Barber and Jones didn't even have 4.0 YPC this year.

DAL splits running to the left: 3.32 off end, 3.61 off tackle and 4.34 up the middle.

NE splits running to the right: 3.56 off end, 3.53 off tackle and 3.83 up the middle.

While with the lowly Milford Brown at LG the Texans had: 4.16 off end, 4.14 off tackle and 4.62 up the middle.

God, what were the Cardinals thinking!
 

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Completely premature assessment of the off-season.
Borderline insane, in terms of the energy wasted writing it.

D/D-

C'mon Walter. It's March 23rd, not August 23rd.
 

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en fuego said:
and as NEZ pointed out -- Green and Graves are staking their jobs on the line working.

After a weekend in Prescott last year, I also said:

That Hayes is the stout MLB that this team needed to shut down the running game in short yardage and goaline situations. That with Darling and Blackstock as depth, we should expect solid LB play.

That Russell Davis would be a player that we would be talking about as a Pro Bowl snub.

That Bryant Johnson appeared to be in tune with Kurt Warner. That he'd put up similiar numbers to Hakim during the GSOT era.

After the Dallas game I thought Shipp should have been annointed starter because he is the type of tough runner that isn't afraid to blast through those miniscule holes we opened.

:rolleyes: :doofus:
 

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Mitch,

I am also a little disappointed we didn't sign another OL in free agency but the money some line-men are receiving is insane. the sea hawks are following the Dan Snyder method of signing players. In a couple of years they will be in cap hell. Of course if they win the super bowl everyone will be happy. The cardinals signed two top free agents James and Warner. I wish we would have signed a veteran center because that is where I believe we are the weakest on the OL. The Wells signing also took some of our free agent money. It's hard to say he is not worth it when Buffalo was willing to pay him and other teams were interested. I don't know what to say about Ross. He can't possible be as bad as he played last year. Injuries may have been a large factor in his play last year.

The bottom line is the team spent big money on James, Warner, Wells, Clancy and Brown. You may think we over paid or you may not like the players but you certainly can't accuse the cardinals of being cheap in free agency or not signing players. did we fill all of the holes? no but that is almost impossible. It is also unfair to not expect some of the younger players to improve from last year. Green is improving the talent on this team every year with the draft and free agency. Are we one of the top teams in the NFL. Not this year but maybe in the next two years.
 

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DieHardFromMO said:
Walter, contrary to other opinions, I liked your post and you hit on a lot of the concerns I have. The fact is as long as Billy B. owns this team we will never be able to play the free agency game the way it could be played. Can you imagine what a Dan Snyder could have done with our cap room? He probably could have fit half the NFL on our team with his cap management capabilities. Billy B. sell this franchise so us long suffering fans can watch a winner before we die.

I am not in the camp of kool-aid drinkers that think the tweeking we did with the OL this off-season to date is the cure for our inept running game.

What exactly has Dan Snyder done, since buying the Redskins???? Paid a lot of money to players who are individual talents, but suck with team chemistry! I don't see any rings on the fingers of the Redskins since Danny Boy blew into town and began to blow out the $$.
 

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What exactly has Dan Snyder done, since buying the Redskins???? Paid a lot of money to players who are individual talents, but suck with team chemistry! I don't see any rings on the fingers of the Redskins since Danny Boy blew into town and began to blow out the $$.

It funny you should say that, because I had a meeting with an Architect today who is a huge Redskins fan, and he was singing the praises of Snyder. I said, well how has that worked out for you so far, Super Bowl-wise?

He answered by saying that every year they had high hopes because the Owner was willing to spend whatever it takes to win.

So I said that while it is nice to see the Owner spend alot of cash, if you don't win, it really doesn't matter all that much.

The Shark

PS He also said that last year, even with all of the injuries the Cards had, that with James substitiuted in for Arrington, the Cards would have easily won last season's meeting. Personally I agree.
 

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Loney has some help on the OL as our OC coached up Kansas City's great OL.
 

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If nothing else Mitch brings out the best, and worst, in us Cardinal fans. I think he often offers great insight, especially with the game to game analysis during the season. At the same time, I think he longs for Denny to fail, and I really don't know why. Mitch was Pete Kendall really that great of player?

Our line will be better. It couldn't be worse. We will have better coaching, but the real key will be the health of the line. If the line can play the pre-season together, and then get 16 games without more than 1 or 2 major injuries, I think they will be much better. No offensive line would be successful with the injuries we suffered last season.

So here's to a healthy 2006. Go Cards. Go Mitch, Go Denny!!
 

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Mitch,

I am also a little disappointed we didn't sign another OL in free agency but the money some line-men are receiving is insane. the sea hawks are following the Dan Snyder method of signing players. In a couple of years they will be in cap hell. Of course if they win the super bowl everyone will be happy. The cardinals signed two top free agents James and Warner. I wish we would have signed a veteran center because that is where I believe we are the weakest on the OL. The Wells signing also took some of our free agent money. It's hard to say he is not worth it when Buffalo was willing to pay him and other teams were interested. I don't know what to say about Ross. He can't possible be as bad as he played last year. Injuries may have been a large factor in his play last year.

The bottom line is the team spent big money on James, Warner, Wells, Clancy and Brown. You may think we over paid or you may not like the players but you certainly can't accuse the cardinals of being cheap in free agency or not signing players. did we fill all of the holes? no but that is almost impossible. It is also unfair to not expect some of the younger players to improve from last year. Green is improving the talent on this team every year with the draft and free agency. Are we one of the top teams in the NFL. Not this year but maybe in the next two years.

Very true, were building this team overall with youth - with some veterans sprinkled in from yr. to yr.

It bodes well for the long term stability of the franchise.

And your right , Seattle will be in a lot of CAP trouble in the coming yrs. Their run is right now. But they're gonna have some problems. Especially if injuries hit them.
 

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If the Cards sign Kenyatta Walker to a reasonable deal, Mitch should stop complaining until after the draft. The Cards need one more tackle to add depth to that unit. Then they should have the pieces that they need to compete.
 

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kerouac9 said:
If the Cards sign Kenyatta Walker to a reasonable deal, Mitch should stop complaining until after the draft. The Cards need one more tackle to add depth to that unit. Then they should have the pieces that they need to compete.

If the Cards sign Walker, while slowly roasting Denny Green over an open fire, Mitch might stop complaining.

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DieHardFromMO said:
Walter, contrary to other opinions, I liked your post and you hit on a lot of the concerns I have. The fact is as long as Billy B. owns this team we will never be able to play the free agency game the way it could be played. Can you imagine what a Dan Snyder could have done with our cap room? He probably could have fit half the NFL on our team with his cap management capabilities. Billy B. sell this franchise so us long suffering fans can watch a winner before we die.

I am not in the camp of kool-aid drinkers that think the tweeking we did with the OL this off-season to date is the cure for our inept running game.


Did you not see how many playeers they were going to drop before the CBA ratification. THat's cap management for you.
 

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Mitch - I agree with most of your concerns. But that's all they are: "concerns." It's a trifle premature to jump over the cliff just yet. Let's see how things develop before relegating Cardinal management to the trash heap.

I think each of us wish we had a gazillion dollars so we could own our own football team. But we don't. Sometimes those "more fortunate than us" have different ideas on how to build a football dynasty. (That's show biz).
 

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