Cardinals on Manning's "short list"

[CtCardinals78]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ycn-11066648

 

[CardsFan88]

I totally might be wrong....but the 8 million (has already been paid) and thus what happens is the signing bonus is divided for the remaining years, but isn't the hit capped at two years?

So if it's 2+2+2+2 = 8 million pro rated...you only have 2+2+0+0 count against the cap...because you only take a 'hit' for two years maximum. The roster bonus only factors into the cap when it's paid. (but beforehand it's projected in there).

Things might have changed but I could of sworn it was something like that a few years ago.

 

[40yearfan]

Thanks for jumping in to make this totally football-related comment, 40!

You're welcome.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

come on K9... I'm not stupid. i was talking about recent history where the Fins have had a below .500 record for 5 of the last 6 years with 3 different coaches in that span and zero playoff success, as opposed to the Cardinals who have been .500 or better four of the last five years, with the same coaching staff and who has shown the ability to win in the playoffs.

What a joke. The Dolphins have been 1-15 gone through 5 head coaches, have a laughing stock of an owner, have been turned down despite offering more money to Jim Harbaugh and Jeff Fisher, haven't won a playoff game or had a legitimate QB since Dan Marino, play in front of a half empty stadium, and have completely whiffed pretty much every other draft pick for the last 6 years.

Meanwhile we went to the playoffs twice, won the division twice, won the conference, our HC has had one losing season in five, sold out 60 + straight games, and had a HOF Quarterback.

And your talking about 1.1 point K9?!? SIGHHHHHHHHHH

Your main squeeze Dansby jilting the cards for Miami doesn't make the recent history even CLOSE to comparable. You obviously hate the Cardinals and more importantly are FLAT wrong.

What a joke. A contrarian just because.

Sigh.

 

[D-Dogg]

Pay him the $8 mill all at once

Cap-wise though, can it be distributed over multiple years?

I don't know where wolf got his info, but he was strokin' it.

 

[TJ]

Cap-wise though, can it be distributed over multiple years?

I don't know where wolf got his info, but he was strokin' it.

Breaks down like this:

Kolb on roster in 2012: $10mil against cap
Kolb released $8mil against cap

Therefore, releasing him would only save the team $2mil this season.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Even if cutting Kolb would cost the Cards $15 million they would still make money signing Manning on ticket sales and merchandise sales. The Cardinals are the most stable and sensible choice out of all the Manning suitors. Why would he go to Miami? Sure they have a good D, but Reggie Bush is inconsistent, they were 30th in sacks allowed, and Brandon Marshall is a diva, they do have a decent TE and they have a new HC, new system and haven't done jack in two decades.

The Cardinals have Fitz the Peyton Manning of WRs(in terms of approach to the game and behavior), Heap, Housler, stability, won a lot under Whisenhunt, a talented D, a QB away from going very deep in the playoffs, an easier division, small market like Indy, and a dome, and no cold weather games like MIA would have against BUF, NE, and NE.

Bottom line though is AZ with Manning is at least a 12-4 team.
MIA with Manning is a 9-7 team. That being said the road to another Super Bowl is much, much, much easier in the AFC than the NFC.

 

[TJ]

And your talking about 1.1 point K9?!? SIGHHHHHHHHHH

Your main squeeze Dansby jilting the cards for Miami doesn't make the recent history even CLOSE to comparable. You obviously hate the Cardinals and more importantly are FLAT wrong.

What a joke. A contrarian just because.

Sigh.

And he wonders why I won't take him off "ignore."

1.1 point differential? The Dansby "pay me like I'm the best linebacker in the NFL" situation? Really?

Now, I'm even less convinced he's going to Miami.

 

[CtCardinals78]

And he wonders why I won't take him off "ignore."

1.1 point differential? The Dansby "pay me like I'm the best linebacker in the NFL" situation? Really?

Now, I'm even less convinced he's going to Miami.

Brees, Harbaugh, and Fisher were all heavily recruited by Miami and all three went somewhere else, although I can't remember if they passed on Brees or vice versa. Either way people have been passing on Miami lately and I wonder why? Is there something in the ownership people just don't like, or is it all coincidence? I don't think Manning goes to Mia.

 

[D-Dogg]

Miami is going to be a WC offense.

Manning is not a WC offense kind of guy.

He actually fits in pretty nicely with our offensive system - not a stretch for him to adapt and own it really quickly. Especially with his old coach in house already to get the WRs in line with how he plays and how to play with him.

 

[Dayman]

Here comes Denver.

Vic Lombardi ‏ @VicLombardi


The Broncos will sell Manning on their top-ranked run game and stable O-line. Trust me, Broncos are SERIOUS players in this.

 

[TJ]

Brees, Harbaugh, and Fisher were all heavily recruited by Miami and all three went somewhere else, although I can't remember if they passed on Brees or vice versa. Either way people have been passing on Miami lately and I wonder why? Is there something in the ownership people just don't like, or is it all coincidence? I don't think Manning goes to Mia.

Ask AZ Finest. He knows more about Miami than I.

Short version: ownership is crazy. Look how many "celebrities" have their hands in the cookie jar in that organization.

 

[az1965]

Miami is going to be a WC offense.

Manning is not a WC offense kind of guy.

He actually fits in pretty nicely with our offensive system - not a stretch for him to adapt and own it really quickly. Especially with his old coach in house already to get the WRs in line with how he plays and how to play with him.

There may be something behind hiring Colts WR coach... may be Cards started pursuing during golf sessions and dinner dates

 

[Dayman]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/drew-brees-surprises-with-selfish-turn-in-new-orleans-030712

Meet Peyton Manning, starting quarterback for the Arizona Cardinals.

It just makes too much sense.

Sources tell us the Arizona Cardinals want to sign Manning. They would eradicate Kevin Kolb from the roster. John Skelton, a quarterback whom Ken Whisenhunt likes a lot and won with in the second half last year, would be the backup and insurance in case Manning got hurt. Manning, according to different sources, has put out feelers about the Cardinals. He is very intrigued by playing with Larry Fitzgerald and bringing Wayne along as his wingman.

Make no mistake; part of the Cardinals' plan would be to sign Wayne if they brought Manning on board. It has been discussed at length internally. Manning is said to respect and like Whisenhunt and has reached out via intermediaries to learn more about him. Sources say Manning also likes Arizona’s young, talented defense.

There is legit mutual interest in a Manning-Cardinals marriage. Arizona will be in play.

Oh my.

 

[Jetstream Green]

The Cardinals are his best choice. I think Manning really does have similar thoughts. But we are the Cardinals, and our past franchise history will prompt those in the media and even the fans to think it cannot happen. The only question is, does Manning feel the same hang up over the fact that this team is in a much better position to succeed than the Dolphins.

 

[jmt]

That and 5 cents will get you a cigar).

That would be one mighty crappy cigar.

 

[Totally_Red]

I'm starting to think we have a genuine chance at beating out Miami for PM's services. Haven't been this excited since the 2008-9 post-season.

 

[kerouac9]

What a joke. The Dolphins have been 1-15 gone through 5 head coaches, have a laughing stock of an owner, have been turned down despite offering more money to Jim Harbaugh and Jeff Fisher, haven't won a playoff game or had a legitimate QB since Dan Marino, play in front of a half empty stadium, and have completely whiffed pretty much every other draft pick for the last 6 years.

Meanwhile we went to the playoffs twice, won the division twice, won the conference, our HC has had one losing season in five, sold out 60 + straight games, and had a HOF Quarterback.

And your talking about 1.1 point K9?!? SIGHHHHHHHHHH

Your main squeeze Dansby jilting the cards for Miami doesn't make the recent history even CLOSE to comparable. You obviously hate the Cardinals and more importantly are FLAT wrong.

What a joke. A contrarian just because.

Sigh.

My point isn't that Miami is a superior organization to the Arizona Cardinals in recent years. My point is to say that Arizona has some "history of success" that Miami can't compete with is not in line with reality.

A lot of posters have already pointed out that the NFC West Division Championship teams that you guys are pointing at as being so important to Manning have largely been disassembled. Every starter except Dockett and ADub is gone from the defense. Once Lutui and Levi Brown leave, every starter except Fitz and Sendlein will be gone from the offense.

The last two years, Miami and Arizona have had equivalent records. Miami has finished a little higher in statistical categories, but lower in the standings because they've played in a much tougher division.

Honestly, I don't think that "history" or "recent record of success" is going to have a lot of bearing on Manning's decision. It'll be mostly about money.

 

[BigRedRage]

My point isn't that Miami is a superior organization to the Arizona Cardinals in recent years. My point is to say that Arizona has some "history of success" that Miami can't compete with is not in line with reality.

A lot of posters have already pointed out that the NFC West Division Championship teams that you guys are pointing at as being so important to Manning have largely been disassembled. Every starter except Dockett and ADub is gone from the defense. Once Lutui and Levi Brown leave, every starter except Fitz and Sendlein will be gone from the offense.

The last two years, Miami and Arizona have had equivalent records. Miami has finished a little higher in statistical categories, but lower in the standings because they've played in a much tougher division.

Honestly, I don't think that "history" or "recent record of success" is going to have a lot of bearing on Manning's decision. It'll be mostly about money.

he is filthy rich, outplayed every contract. he wants a super bowl. period.

 

[CtCardinals78]

he is filthy rich, outplayed every contract. he wants a super bowl. period.

I agree. I heard just from playing with the Colts he made $197 million alone, not including all of his endorsements. It's weird because to me it seems like a playoff berth would be easier with the Cardinals than the Dolphins, but the road to the Super Bowl would be much easier with the Dolphins than the Cardinals. The Giants had to go through Rogers, Matt Ryan and Smith. The Pats had to go through Tebow and Flaco. That said going through SF, SEA, and STL seems much easier than going through NE, NYJ and BUF.

 

[Duckjake]

Breaks down like this:

Kolb on roster in 2012: $10mil against cap
Kolb released $8mil against cap

Therefore, releasing him would only save the team $2mil this season.

This is a perfect scenario for the Bidwills. They save $7 million cash but get to count $8 million against the minimum spending requirement.

 

[kerouac9]

he is filthy rich, outplayed every contract. he wants a super bowl. period.

Then he'd sign a minimum-salary contract with the Jets. That's not going to happen, though, is it?

It's not really about money, it's about value. Do you think that the difference between Drew Brees making $12 million and $15 million per year on his new contract is going to change the fate of him and his family? Of course not. Nor did however we sweetened the contract offer to Warner four years ago after he visited San Francisco.

I respect that there are fans like you who still believe that the #1 priority for professional athletes is winning or because they like being a member of a team or because they like to play with Fitz or whatever. But I've learned too much about the business of sports to believe that those are anything but the most marginal concerns.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Then he'd sign a minimum-salary contract with the Jets. That's not going to happen, though, is it?

It's not really about money, it's about value. Do you think that the difference between Drew Brees making $12 million and $15 million per year on his new contract is going to change the fate of him and his family? Of course not. Nor did however we sweetened the contract offer to Warner four years ago after he visited San Francisco.

I respect that there are fans like you who still believe that the #1 priority for professional athletes is winning or because they like being a member of a team or because they like to play with Fitz or whatever. But I've learned too much about the business of sports to believe that those are anything but the most marginal concerns.

I agree 100%.

 

[BigRedRage]

Then he'd sign a minimum-salary contract with the Jets. That's not going to happen, though, is it?

It's not really about money, it's about value. Do you think that the difference between Drew Brees making $12 million and $15 million per year on his new contract is going to change the fate of him and his family? Of course not. Nor did however we sweetened the contract offer to Warner four years ago after he visited San Francisco.

I respect that there are fans like you who still believe that the #1 priority for professional athletes is winning or because they like being a member of a team or because they like to play with Fitz or whatever. But I've learned too much about the business of sports to believe that those are anything but the most marginal concerns.

I dont think his best chance w super bowl is jets nor do I think he would mesh with Ryan.

whatever though, I am an optimist, no use arguing with the opposite. you think we suck, I think we rule.

he WILL get paid no matter what. He also will accept less to take a team over he wants over a more with a team he doesnt want. Sure he wants money but the right position and a chance for the bowl is priority #1.

 

[TJ]

whatever though, I am an optimist, no use arguing with the opposite. you think we suck, I think we rule.

Love the mindset