Cardinals | Team increases offer for Warner

[imaCafan]

Cardinals | Team increases offer for Warner
Mon, 23 Feb 2009 06:04:42 -0800

John Clayton, of ESPN.com, reports the Arizona Cardinals are now offering impending free-agent QB Kurt Warner more than $10 million per season to retain him, according to a league source. The Cardinals, according to a source, are believed to be offering Warner between $10 million and $12 million a year.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Oh my. We'd better not increase it again. I have a hard time paying 8M per, let alone 10. We have a QBoF in the waiting that barely, and I mean BARELY won out last year.

 

[stewdog1]

Oh my. We'd better not increase it again. I have a hard time paying 8M per, let alone 10. We have a QBoF in the waiting that barely, and I mean BARELY won out last year.

When you take a perennial loser to the Super Bowl, that gives Kurt a lot of negotiating power.

The Cardinals are not placating the diehards with this type of move. They need to do this in order to look good to the more casual fan who wouldn't understand why we can't re-sign the QB who took us to the Super Bowl.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

When you take a perennial loser to the Super Bowl, that gives Kurt a lot of negotiating power.

The Cardinals are not placating the diehards with this type of move. They need to do this in order to look good to the more casual fan who wouldn't understand why we can't re-sign the QB who took us to the Super Bowl.

I know that. Doesn't change my opinion on the matter though.

 

[imaCafan]

I'm envisioning a 2 year $22+ mil contract for Kurt. Now, can that be written to where it's more like a 2 year $15 mil contract with incentives that make it worthy of a MVP caliber player? Say $10 mil signing bonus, $2 mil and $3 mil base salaries, and then some incentives on top to take it to around $22 mil? Is that something he might sign? And do the incentives count against the cap before they are achieved?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I'm envisioning a 2 year $22+ mil contract for Kurt. Now, can that be written to where it's more like a 2 year $15 mil contract with incentives that make it worthy of a MVP caliber player? Say $10 mil signing bonus, $2 mil and $3 mil base salaries, and then some incentives on top to take it to around $22 mil? Is that something he might sign? And do the incentives count against the cap before they are achieved?

Pretty sure it counts against the cap the year that they are achieved. Joe will come in and correct me if I am wrong.

 

[imaCafan]

I also want to throw this out there: Kurt signs a new deal by 6 pm tomorrow......

 

[joeshmo]

If a player hits a performance bonus it goes toward what ever cap is left in that season. What ever is left goes on the following years cap.

Example - Warner hits 3 mill in bonus incentives for the 2009 season. We still have 2.5 mill in cap space at the end of the 2009 season. We would still have 500k to pay against the cap in 2010.

But then there is likely to be earned incentives and unlikely to be earned incentive loop holes, but thats another story.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

If a player hits a performance bonus it goes toward what ever cap is left in that season. What ever is left goes on the following years cap.

Example - Warner hits 3 mill in bonus incentives for the 2009 season. We still have 2.5 mill in cap space at the end of the 2009 season. We would still have 500k to pay against the cap in 2010.

But then there is likely to be earned incentives and unlikely to be earned incentive loop holes, but thats another story.

That explains why this team always leave a few M each year at the end of their cap.

Thanks joe.

 

[imaCafan]

So realistically we could get Kurt for 2 years and have him count around 7-8 mil against the cap initially this year on a 22 mil deal he would sign???? And thanks for sharing your capology wisdom!!!!

 

[Perfectionist]

I also want to throw this out there: Kurt signs a new deal by 6 pm tomorrow......

Hey that's Boldins time frame.

 

[Reddog]

What were the terms of Favre's deal last year?

 

[cgolden]

Wow -- If he balks at that, I'd seriously question his desire to comeback and play for this team.

 

[CardNots]

What were the terms of Favre's deal last year?

Lots of press + Lots of money = waste of money

 

[freebyrd]

i think we are wasting time on kurt whats the percentage of superbowl losers making it back the next year?
i'd just as soon see if we have a qbof in leinert
freebyrd

 

[chickenhead]

The % is low, but I don't think having made the Super Bowl should count against Warner. Nor should him having made the SB be the deciding factor. I think we should sign him to a 2 year deal we can afford, and he knows that he has to play well to get the 2nd year.

 

[dogpoo32]

i think we are wasting time on kurt whats the percentage of superbowl losers making it back the next year?
i'd just as soon see if we have a qbof in leinert
freebyrd

Agreed. I have a bad feeling about this.

 

[john h]

Cardinals | Team increases offer for Warner
Mon, 23 Feb 2009 06:04:42 -0800

John Clayton, of ESPN.com, reports the Arizona Cardinals are now offering impending free-agent QB Kurt Warner more than $10 million per season to retain him, according to a league source. The Cardinals, according to a source, are believed to be offering Warner between $10 million and $12 million a year.

Here is my speculations: We keep Warner between 10-12 million for two years with a 3rd year option. We work out a long term deal with Dansby at ???? million. We keep Wilson. Boldin is a 50/50 chance of being traded or keeping. Actually I put it at 51% of being traded as in the long run he and Fitz cannot be on the same team as no team can afford that kind of money for two receivers of this class. Edge is out of here. The wild card here is Leinart. I do not know what Graves and the Coaches think of his chances to be a big time NFL QB. We all have our own ideas but they see him in practice every day. If they think St Pierre is in the same league as Matt they just might trade him. It also depends on what they could get for him. A good starter at any of various positions of need or a high #1 pick. We will have a much better idea of where we are going if we do not make any moves before draft day. Today in the NFL you play not so much for the future as for today. The future is now. We have a shot at the superbowl again so worry about two years from now when that day arrives. If we were playing for the future we wold not be signing Kurt. We have been to the top of the mountain as Dr. King said and we want to stay there. It is going to take another Kurt Warner/Larry/Boldin year to get there. It also might help to establish a real running game. Being a winner is not easy. Staying one is even harder. All our players are now worth more in their minds and as a matter of fact in other teams minds.

Did anyone in their wildest dreams ever think we would even consider trading Matt Leinart before he could even play a season? Did anyone think Kurt Warner would rise from the ashes to once again take a team to the superbowl? If you believed that then you should be rich as the odds at Vegas on these things would be very very high.

Our owners have gotten more attention as has the team ever in the history of the organization. This can become addictive.

 

[jmt]

When you take a perennial loser to the Super Bowl, that gives Kurt a lot of negotiating power.

The Cardinals are not placating the diehards with this type of move. They need to do this in order to look good to the more casual fan who wouldn't understand why we can't re-sign the QB who took us to the Super Bowl.

I sincerely doubt the Cardinals consider what the "casual fan" is thinking when they negotiate multi million dollar contracts.

 

[Russ Smith]

ESPN keeps reporting Warner wants between 14 and 16 million per for 2 years.

If that's true, so long Kurt. There's no way a guy his age is with his history will get that much IMHO. Great year last year, thanks for taking us that far, but the idea that Kurt was going to be a nice guy and give us a hometown discount went out the window if he's asking for that much.

 

[Stout]

ESPN keeps reporting Warner wants between 14 and 16 million per for 2 years.

If that's true, so long Kurt. There's no way a guy his age is with his history will get that much IMHO. Great year last year, thanks for taking us that far, but the idea that Kurt was going to be a nice guy and give us a hometown discount went out the window if he's asking for that much.

Yeah, sorry, but no way should we pay him 14 million per. Matt Cassel might be getting that kind of scratch, but he's still a spring chicken.

 

[Duckjake]

I sincerely doubt the Cardinals consider what the "casual fan" is thinking when they negotiate multi million dollar contracts.

Maybe not as much now but it was a major consideration back in the SDS days when the Cards were struggling to sell tickets and merchandise.

It may become important again if ticket sales start to lag because of the economic slowdown.

 

[cardsfanmd]

i think we are wasting time on kurt whats the percentage of superbowl losers making it back the next year?
i'd just as soon see if we have a qbof in leinert
freebyrd

If losing the Super Bowl by a BS call with 30 seconds left doesn't encourage you about our chances for the following year I want to know what would.

 

[moklerman]

Matt Cassel might be getting that kind of scratch, but he's still a spring chicken.

Cassel still hasn't signed his offer sheet. Not sure what's going on there but since it's the Patriots I'm not too surprised.

 

[cardncubfan]

The way I look at it is do we really want a 38yr old quarterback starting for us next year. Especially with a 14 million dollar price tag. To me we could use that $ elsewhere like on defense. Remember Kurt barely beat out Matt last year.