Cards Assistant Coaches should they stay or should they go?

[THESMEL]

I'm so done with 2010 and ready for a lock out. I don't think Rod Graves should lead us through this. I prefer Marty Schottemheimer as GM because Ken Whisenhunt is a product of Marty's coaching tree. Nobody is more experienced and confident as Marty. He does not get kicked around or sit at the little kids table. And Whiz might actually listen to him?

Rod has his blessings and flaws like all people. I like him but the same problems, different coach. We have too hire a 2nd GM to get the full package IMO. He is getting paid like a full grown man.that money could be better spent. If we hired Marty before we don't have all of these problems. Marty now we won't have all of the problems later. We just won't.

We don't need band aids or tinkering, This team and operation needs major surgery on lots of units, player and staff. long term vision, and fortitude. Graves signed off on this staff, I think He needs to correct it against whiz's will.
I'm not sure if he is capable? I'm sure Marty is.

As far as Assistant coaches, Grimm and Spencer are hard to upgrade I hope this posts good, but how many would find the same job they have now in the NFL? kind of like Porter and Faneca Huh!

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Cards Assistant Coaches

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Ron Aiken
Defensive Line; born August 18, 1955, Moncks Corner, S.C. Guard/center North Carolina A&T 1973-76. No pro playing experience. College coach, Bethany College 1979-1981, Tarkio College 1982-84, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute 1985, Langston 1986-89, New Mexico 1990-94, Vanderbilt, 1995-96, Texas 1997, San Diego State 1998, Iowa 1999-2006. Pro coach: joined Cardinals in 2007.

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Rick Courtright
Assistant Defensive Backs; born January 4, 1961, Miami. Linebacker Wheaton College 1980-83. No pro playing experience. College coach: Washington 1991-92, Minnesota-Morris 1993, Ohio 1994, Idaho State 1995, Idaho 1996-99, Murray State 2000, Western Illinois 2001-03. Pro coach: Joined Cardinals in 2004.

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Billy Davis
Defensive coordinator; born November 5, 1965, Youngstown, Ohio. Quarterback Cincinnati 1985-88. College coach: Michigan State 1990-91. Pro coach: Pittsburgh Steelers 1992-94, Carolina Panthers 1995-98, Cleveland Browns 1999, Green Bay Packers 2000, Atlanta Falcons 2001-03, New York Giants 2004, San Francisco 2005-06, joined Cardinals in 2007.

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Chad Grimm
Offensive quality control; born May 18, 1985, Fairfax, Va. Linebacker Virginia Tech 2003-06. No pro playing experience. Pro coach: Joined Cardinals in 2009.

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Russ Grimm
Assistant Head Coach/Run game coordinator/Offensive Line; born May 2, 1959, Scottsdale, Pa. Center Pittsburgh 1977-1980. Pro guard Washington Redskins 1981-1991, Pro coach: Washington Redskins 1992-2000, Pittsburgh Steelers 2001-06, joined Cardinals in 2007.

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Donnie Henderson
Defensive backs; born May 17, 1957, Baltimore. Defensive back Utah State 1978-79. No pro playing experience. College coach: Utah State 1983-88, Idaho 1989-1990, California 1992-97, Houston 1998. Pro coach: Baltimore Ravens 1999-2003, N.Y. Jets 2004-05, Detroit Lions 2006-07, Jacksonville Jaguars 2008. Joined Cardinals in 2010.

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Freddie Kitchens
Tight Ends; born November 29, 1974, Gadsden, Ala. Quarterback Alabama 1994-97. No pro playing experience. College coach: Glenville State College, 1999, Louisiana State 2000, North Texas 2001-03, Mississippi State 2004-05. Pro coach: Dallas Cowboys 2006, joined Cardinals in 2007.

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John Lott
Strength and Conditioning; born May 9, 1964, Denton, Texas. Offensive lineman North Texas 1983-86. Pro offensive lineman Pittsburgh Steelers 1987. College coach: Texas 1988, North Texas 1989-1990, Houston 1991-96. Pro coach: New York Jets 1997-2004, Cleveland Browns 2005-06, joined Cardinals in 2007.

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John McNulty
Wide receivers; born May 29, 1968, Scranton, Pa. Safety Penn State 1988-1990. No pro playing experience. College coach: Michigan 1991-94, Connecticut 1995-97, Rutgers 2004-08. Pro coach: Jacksonville Jaguars 1998-2002, Dallas Cowboys 2003, joined Cardinals in 2009.

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Chris Miller
Quarterbacks; born August 9, 1965, Pomona, Calif. Quarterback Oregon 1983-86. Pro quarterback Atlanta Falcons 1987-1993, Los Angeles Rams 1994, St. Louis Rams 1995, Denver Broncos 1999. Pro coach: Joined Cardinals in
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Mike Miller
Passing game coordinator; born April 9, 1970, Plum Borough, Pa. Attended Clarion. No college or pro playing experience. College coach: Robert Morris 1997-98, 2006. Pro coach: Pittsburgh Steelers 1999-2003, Buffalo Bills 2004-05, Berlin Thunder (NFLE) 2006, joined Cardinals in 2007.

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Matt Raich
Defensive Assistant; born August 16 ,1970, Monaca, Pa. Middle linebacker Westminster College 1989-1992. No pro playing experience. College coach: Westminster 1993-94, Robert Morris 1996-98, 2000-02, Glenville State 1999. Pro coach: Pittsburgh Steelers 2004-06, joined Cardinals in 2007.

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Tommie Robinson
Running backs; born April 4, 1963 in Columbus, Ga. Strong safety Troy State 1982-85. No pro playing experience. College coach: Arkansas 1991, Utah State 1992-93, TCU 1994-97, UNLV 1998, Oklahoma State 2001, Georgia Tech 2002-05, Memphis 2006, Miami 2007-09. Pro Coach: Dallas Cowboys 1998-2000. Joined Cardinals in 2010.

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Ryan Slowik
Defensive quality control; born December 27, 1980, Chicago. Safety Wisconsin-Oshkosh 2002-03. No pro playing experience. College coach: Wisconsin-Oshkosh 2004. Pro coach: Denver Broncos 2005-08, joined Cardinals in 2009.

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Kevin Spencer
Special Teams; born November 2, 1953, Queens, N.Y. Outside linebacker Springfield College 1971. No pro playing experience. college coach: SUNY-Cortland 1975-76, Cornell 1979-1980, Ithaca 1981-86, Wesleyan 1987-1991. Pro coach: Cleveland Browns 1991-94, Oakland Raiders 1995-97, Indianapolis Colts 1998-2001, Pittsburgh Steelers 2002-06, joined Cardinals in 2007.

 

[LarryStalling]

The one thing that jumps out at me is the number of coaches that have NO pro playing experience. I wonder if other staffs look like this?

 

[Zeno]

Spencer and Lott are the only ones who should feel totally secure in their jobs. Every other member of the staff should at least be concerned about their future prospects. Some coaches are probably not totally at fault, like you can't really fault Chris Miller for the QB fiasco this season, if he made DA in to a legit QB he deserved to be canonized. Still if there is a chance for an upgrade every position on this staff needs to be looked at.

If we replace the OC and DC this offseason will those new coordinators be allowed to bring in their own people?

Do we have any assistants that might be attractive to other teams? IF Grimm were to go to the Panthers (or wherever) who would he try to take with him(aside from his son)?

 

[Jersey Girl]

The one thing that jumps out at me is the number of coaches that have NO pro playing experience. I wonder if other staffs look like this?

That is interesting, indeed.

 

[Shzm13]

Dismiss them all except Lott and Spencer.

 

[LarryStalling]

Did you notice that our OC "in training" has no college or pro playing experience? I wonder if he is taking lessons on Madden?

 

[azsportsfan01]

Did you notice that our OC "in training" has no college or pro playing experience? I wonder if he is taking lessons on Madden?

That means nothing. Bill Belichick played at the powerhouse Wesleyan University. Mike Tomlin played at College of William and Mary. Remember that crappy O-Coordinator we had that was eased into his job? He played golf in college. You can be good at something even if you never operated at the highest level.

 

[cardpa]

The one thing that jumps out at me is the number of coaches that have NO pro playing experience. I wonder if other staffs look like this?

The New Orleans staff is very similar. the difference is they know how to coach.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The thing I noticed is that Bill Davis has never been anywhere more than 3 years. I guess every team figures out that he's easily replaceable, i.e. not that good, and moves on. You have to give him credit, he must be a great interviewer to keep getting jobs after being let go.

 

[gamebird98]

Passing game coordinator.....

 

[PortlandCardFan]

I don't see any reason to replace Aiken's unless someone truly better comes along...

 

[oaken1]

It jumps out at me how many guys who have several stints of only a single season......and then a few others who were either out of football, or coaching high school or something before we hired them.
Chris Miller,...played for the Broncos in 99......then disappeared for ten years before we hired him.
Baby Grimm,...played LB at VT in 06,.....then shows up here three years later as offensive quality control....WTF??

 

[THESMEL]

Yea both Quality control hires were friends sons by Whiz, I said something then but nobody had the stomach for it, We were winning and I was a so and so.

I mean they got to get started somewhere and I don't know enough to say for sure. I thought SWS or somebody might know more.

But yes Chris Miller was main factor in cutting Matt and keeping DA, Max. Skelton was a no brainer developemental draft pick all along. Every other QB coach in the NFL is better and some setting at home, just look at the results. and the hopelessness going forward. NO QB Coaching experience, sounds great until the train wreck, with friends.

Mike Miller lets see if he's an NFL quality OC, Wll nope, He aint even half of an OC on our team, again hopelessness, no vision results going forward.

On and on
But It is apparent Whiz has yes men and he picked them and Graves signed off. Not one great educator that could be a top college HC that I see? If they knew anything about teaching football fundementals they left it at the Salt River.

You know what happens at the river stays at the river.

I really don't know how much power Whiz's new contract allows him on staff operations and personell, All that was reported was ALOT MORE! I think Whiz has a great heart but he is as rigid as the day is long.

This season might have beat it out of him but I think not. He'll fall on his Sword for his friends over the fans just out of habit. He cares about the fans don't get me wrong, but he wants both and it aint working.

Russ needs to be OC if he stays, earn his ride to a HC job, Grimm has not carried the load as a coordinator, I mean traditional like everybody else outside of Whiz's OZ!