Cards Getting Love From SI

[Reddog]

Offseason moves show Arizona has learned from past mistakes


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/jim_trotter/02/24/Cardinals/index.html

 

[AZ Native]

Offseason moves show Arizona has learned from past mistakes


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/jim_trotter/02/24/Cardinals/index.html

I love the new Cards!

 

[Catfish]

It is really good to read that the franchise is being looked at with a new light. So very many simply go back to (CHEAP and CARDINALS) as being synonamous.

This organization has shown consistent growth through the draft since the hiring of Whizenhunt. While I believe that they will again look to the draft to grow this team, I do believe that we will also need to hit the FA wires this time in order to fill a couple of slots that we can't hope to fill with talent enough to be effective simply from the draft this year.

We seriously need a veteran backup QB for Leinart. The loss of Dansby and Rolle will have to more than likely come from Free Agency, (although, of the two, Dansby's spot would probably be the easiest transition for a rookie). I don't see that happening at the FS spot. In either case, we really have no one ready to step into either of those two positions in my opinion. I am not even positive that we can find Dansby's replacement in the draft this year from where we pick.

 

[WildBB]

Good read. Couldn't agree more:

Still, a case can be made that the Cardinals' future has never looked brighter. For the first time in the franchise's 91-year history, these former Keystone Kops appear to have a credible plan for building a consistent winner, and that means risking short-term pain for long-term gain. The team doesn't want to lose Dansby or Rolle, but it's no longer willing to skydive without a parachute when it comes to contract negotiations.

 

[Stout]

It's great that we're doing business the right way now and all, but that article really glosses things over. Read that little bit of pain as a possible losing season, which would kill us. If we don't keep the momentum going and suffer a losing season, how quick will the world dub us the 'same old cards', and be laughing at us again?

Yeah, it's good that we've changed the way we're doing business, but how in the heck are we replacing those good players?

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Yeah, it's good that we've changed the way we're doing business, but how in the heck are we replacing those good players?

Good question. RG better show us something this year. Time to earn your pay Mr. Graves.

 

[Cardiac]

Bidwills know what they are doing because the signed Whis to an extension and making him one of the top 5 paid HC's in the league.

Bidwill's are idiots because they re-signed Graves who is slightly more intelligent than pond scum.

Some Cards finds a bit Bipolar.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

This article just goes to show that you can spin things anyway you want.

I would think this article could just as easily written as saying "Same Ol' Cardinals refusing to pay guys that have produced for them" i.e. somethings never change with this sad sack team.

I mean really how different is being unwilling to pay Dansby and Rolle, then it is unwilling to pay Jamir Miller, Lomas Bown, and Larry Centers in 1998? Now we are being lauded for being smart with money?

Personally I don't refute the theme of the article but it just goes to show you winning a couple years in a row cures all.

 

[Duckjake]

Bidwills know what they are doing because the signed Whis to an extension and making him one of the top 5 paid HC's in the league.

Bidwill's are idiots because they re-signed Graves who is slightly more intelligent than pond scum.

Some Cards finds a bit Bipolar.

Cards winning % without Whisenhunt since Graves was hired .338
Cards winning % without Whisenhunt since Graves promoted to VP .313
Cards winning % with Whisenhunt .574

We know who the genius is over at Hardy and Warner.

 

[DeAnna]

Cards winning % with Whisenhunt .574

Most of that .574 had to do with Kurt Warner. It'll be interesting to see what it will be moving forward.

 

[Duckjake]

Most of that .574 had to do with Kurt Warner. It'll be interesting to see what it will be moving forward.

Kurt Warner Cardinal winning % without Whisenhunt .200
Kurt Warner Cardinal winning % with Whisenhunt .571

 

[RugbyMuffin]

It's great that we're doing business the right way now and all, but that article really glosses things over. Read that little bit of pain as a possible losing season, which would kill us. If we don't keep the momentum going and suffer a losing season, how quick will the world dub us the 'same old cards', and be laughing at us again?

I agree with most of that, and that is without a doubt a very fair post. My only question, is when did the Cardinals really get their respect ? I personally have not seen it, except on a very small scale. I get the feeling that the national media, and vibe about this team is without Kurt Warner we are the same ol' Cardinals. Even after going to the Superbowl, it was a "fluke" then the "awful" Cardinals were beat by the Saints this year.

I have yet to see the respect that we are worried about losing. The media is getting ready to pile on this franchise I guarantee. I refuse to worry about it since it is an un-winnable situation in my eyes.

Yeah, it's good that we've changed the way we're doing business, but how in the heck are we replacing those good players?

I don't know my friend. I personally believe Antrel Rolle is is very replaceable with a veteran in that position.

As for Karlos Dansby ? I hate to say it, and I don't agree with it but I believe Joey Porter is going to be signed, and Clark Haggans will be moved to Dansby's spot, and a rotation of players will play the WILB spot this year.

 

[Shane]

It's great that we're doing business the right way now and all, but that article really glosses things over. Read that little bit of pain as a possible losing season, which would kill us. If we don't keep the momentum going and suffer a losing season, how quick will the world dub us the 'same old cards', and be laughing at us again?

Yeah, it's good that we've changed the way we're doing business, but how in the heck are we replacing those good players?

Were gonna have losing seasons and up and down years even with Whiz. that is a fact. We have 3 non losing seasons in a row. If we come out and go 7-9 next year it does not mean same old cardinals.

 

[Shane]

Whiz wouldnt accept an extension if he didnt think this team could and will be built into a winner. The ownership must have shown him personally that they are willing to do what he thinks is the best way to do that. Apparently Whiz thinks letting these two walk is ok. Thats enough right there to make me completely cool with it.

 

[Duckjake]

Were gonna have losing seasons and up and down years even with Whiz. that is a fact. We have 3 non losing seasons in a row. If we come out and go 7-9 next year it does not mean same old cardinals.

Hey, we want to be like the Big 4 in the AFC. Colts, Steelers, Patriots and Broncos who have only one season each this decade where they lost more games than they won.

Broncos 2007
Colts 2001
Steelers 2003
Patriots 2000

 

[Shane]

Hey, we want to be like the Big 4 in the AFC. Colts, Steelers, Patriots and Broncos who have only one season each this decade where they lost more games than they won.

Broncos 2007
Colts 2001
Steelers 2003
Patriots 2000

4 teams = exception rather than the rule. So I wont count on that. But if we can make the playoffs say 2 out of every 3 years? I think that is a realistic expectation.

 

[Stout]

Were gonna have losing seasons and up and down years even with Whiz. that is a fact. We have 3 non losing seasons in a row. If we come out and go 7-9 next year it does not mean same old cardinals.

Yeah, we'll probably have to suffer a losing season every once in a while, but our team's management shouldn't simply surrender to that. They should be aiming to be in the playoffs every season. I'm not saying they aren't doing so, but the approach they take simply cannot ignore gaping holes on the roster. As of now, we will have gaping holes. I'm curious to see if they can adequately plug them.

As to it actually meaning 'same old cards', I agree with you. I was talking to what will be said of us if we end up having a losing season next year.

 

[Stout]

Whiz wouldnt accept an extension if he didnt think this team could and will be built into a winner. The ownership must have shown him personally that they are willing to do what he thinks is the best way to do that. Apparently Whiz thinks letting these two walk is ok. Thats enough right there to make me completely cool with it.

This I can almost completely agree with. I do trust Whiz and if he thinks he can do something, I'll support him completely.

That doesn't mean I'll be completely cool with it if, say, we don't sign anyone to replace those guys and frantically draft replacements instead of going BPA. That would be stupid on several levels, and I wouldn't be happy with it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Whiz wouldnt accept an extension if he didnt think this team could and will be built into a winner. The ownership must have shown him personally that they are willing to do what he thinks is the best way to do that.

i think the above is a little naive Shane. Regardless of what Wiz believes we're gonna do, it would take of man of the highest principles of all time not to accept 30 million dollars when offered it.

 

[Shane]

i think the above is a little naive Shane. Regardless of what Wiz believes we're gonna do, it would take of man of the highest principles of all time not to accept 30 million dollars when offered it.

Do you think with Whiz with its all about the $$$$? I sure don't. He seems to be a man with some principles. He has been in the NFL a long long time. Money isnt his biggest concern I'm sure. When its being hinted that Whis wanted certain things in order to sign the deal and its said that MB was very accommodating. Im assuming money while a factor isn't the only factor.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

i think the above is a little naive Shane. Regardless of what Wiz believes we're gonna do, it would take of man of the highest principles of all time not to accept 30 million dollars when offered it.

+1

Especially guaranteed money.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Do you think with Whiz with its all about the $$$$? I sure don't. He seems to be a man with some principles. He has been in the NFL a long long time. Money isnt his biggest concern I'm sure. When its being hinted that Whis wanted certain things in order to sign the deal and its said that MB was very accommodating. Im assuming money while a factor isn't the only factor.

i didn't say it was the only factor but, like I said, i think it's naive to think that amount of money wouldn't HEAVILY over-shadow anything in the deal. I'm a man of principle too Shane... but money talks, especially that much money in an organization where you've already proven yourself successful without the changes being bandied about.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

i didn't say it was the only factor but, like I said, i think it's naive to think that amount of money wouldn't HEAVILY over-shadow anything in the deal. I'm a man of principle too Shane... but money talks, especially that much money in an organization where you've already proven yourself successful without the changes being bandied about.

cheese would write "Erkle: The Movie" for the right amount of money.

 

[Shane]

i didn't say it was the only factor but, like I said, i think it's naive to think that amount of money wouldn't HEAVILY over-shadow anything in the deal. I'm a man of principle too Shane... but money talks, especially that much money in an organization where you've already proven yourself successful without the changes being bandied about.

I agree money is a factor. It should be. But I dont doubt for a minute that Whisnehunt cares about his legacy and repuation in this league as a head coach. I dont see him as the type of personality that would take something unless he believed he could succeed at it. I believe he is convinced that he can here. I believe that the management has shown him that they will do what he feels necessary to compete.

I dont believe for a minute that had Whis not been given an extension that another team wouldnt come calling for him after this season.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I agree money is a factor. It should be. But I dont doubt for a minute that Whisnehunt cares about his legacy and repuation in this league as a head coach. I dont see him as the type of personality that would take something unless he believed he could succeed at it.

he's already succeeded at it Shane. that's the point I'm trying to make which is why I could see him taking the big money regardless of what they did or did not tell him they would do, because he already knows that if they don't do what he asked, he can still be successful.

and damn right i'd write Erkle: The Movie!