Cards hire Drew Petzing as their OC

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The best part of the hire to me is they got a QB coach. Short of a successful OC (very hard to get) this was the best way to go. I would have preferred a more experience coach, but I’m willing to be open minded. I’m not one of those old guys who opposes youth. I do value experience though. I’m also not impressed Brissett had his best year. McCoy probably played his best ball under Kingsbury. I’m also not sure Petzing is a disciple of Van Pelt‘s offensive theory. I do know the Brown’s offense was decent and the Cards wasn’t. I think we know so little about Petzing, it’s hard to render a judgment. This staff will have to do an extensive amount of on-the-job learning. That is a valid concern.
I dont know any othese guys but if you look at it the Wilks Mcoys (the Oc) had quite a bit more expierence as I recall so did quite a few others in My years of watching the Cards Flounder and Flop around the bottom of the league so if they fail it wont be a Surprise and if they succeed it will be a Joyous time I really hope for the latter remember
Not everyone gets years to perfect their craft then come to AZ just to end up on the ash heap of broken coaches or players ie. Buddy Ryan among others who extremely highly reguarded before they got here
 

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My thinking now we are going to see a very young staff as there could be a issue (ego) with a older coach taking orders from a younger Dc or Oc cant say Ime thrilled but Hey at least we all will see if they have the Right Stuff which if they do then likely will move on to higher position with another team (usually) the case for theCards.
They almost always have trouble keeping goid coaches and assistants very long, but have No trouble keeping the bad ones for extended times
 

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I am all for the youth movement. However, it's tough to argue that it doesn't come with it's fair share of concerns.

First time GM
First time HC
First time OC
First time DC (youngest coordinator in the league)

It's probably been done before, but I don't remember when. For an organization that was so undisciplined and dysfunctional last year, it's an interesting route to take.
 

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I am all for the youth movement. However, it's tough to argue that it doesn't come with it's fair share of concerns.

First time GM
First time HC
First time OC
First time DC (youngest coordinator in the league)

It's probably been done before, but I don't remember when. For an organization that was so undisciplined and dysfunctional last year, it's an interesting route to take.
Checkout the 2017 San Francisco Forty Niners

Lynch, 1st time GM
Shanny, 1st time HC and also basically served as OC
Robert Saleh, 1st time DC
 

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Kliff struggled and he was a college QB, NFL backup, played QB in the Canadian league and had 9 years experience calling plays…and again, he still struggled and even that experience was not enough for Kyler to listen to him.
Someone who sucked at all of those things failing again at the highest level? What a surprise. You gotta come up with a better argument than that.

Personally, I think it’s kinda weird that you’re attacking these two hires considering I’m guessing you know little about them beyond their titles and history of titles and teams. Granted I would think it weird anyone trumpeting them right now as well.

There’s no cardinals fan that knows squat about these guys.
 

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I will say at least when Sirianni hired Steichen it was off of helping Herbert have one of the best rookie years ever.

The hope is that Petzing is just one of those guys who has all the makings of a great offensive mind but just has never got that chance yet. A lot of hoping, but eh it could work out.
Never got that chance yet? When was he was supposed to get it? During the junior prom?
 

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Here's the difference...Kliff struggled because he had all the other game day and sideline duties, in addition to calling plays. New guy just had to call plays...Gannon will be the 10k view game day and sideline guy, making sure the machine chugs along.
What offensive scheme has Petzing perfected in one year as a WR coach, two years as a TE coach, and one year as a QB coach? And who is helping him…Gannon? The guy has to learn to have the 10k view and is potentially calling the defense?
 

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Someone who sucked at all of those things failing again at the highest level? What a surprise. You gotta come up with a better argument than that.

Personally, I think it’s kinda weird that you’re attacking these two hires considering I’m guessing you know little about them beyond their titles and history of titles and teams. Granted I would think it weird anyone trumpeting them right now as well.

There’s no cardinals fan that knows squat about these guys.
You are correct that the guy with all that experience failed. I get that no one knows what the hell Penzing is but it is for a reason. What are the actual chances that he is some secret offensive wunderkind with a background of not playing college football, without ever calling plays, and with 4 years total position coach experience split between three different positions?
 

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Checkout the 2017 San Francisco Forty Niners

Lynch, 1st time GM
Shanny, 1st time HC and also basically served as OC
Robert Saleh, 1st time DC
Shannahan was an OC for 4 teams before he got the 49ers HC job, so was already a very experienced playcaller. Maybe Gannon will call some plays here, too, but he is far less experienced than KS.

The 49ers also brought in Jon Embree as an assistant HC in 2017 to add some experience, and they had Martin Mayhew, who was a former GM, in their FO.

I am hopeful that this approach will work for this team, but more experience needs to be added somewhere.
 

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Our offensive coordinator has been a QB coach for one season his entire coaching career and didn’t play football at all in college. His most experience is as a TE coach two years in Cleveland. He has never called plays…ever. What point of reference does anyone have that he can offer Kyler anything in terms of knowledge or fundamentals or play scheming?
Todd Haley never played in college either
 

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I suspect the Cards to install a power run game like Cleveland had. This is what Payton said for Kyler to succeed. Beef off the line, get a second back. Leads to misdirections, play-actions. Short passes
I know hindsight is great sight... But with a back like Conner. We should've been more or a power run team

One thing for sure I am highly interested in what kind of offense we'll see.
 

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I am all for the youth movement. However, it's tough to argue that it doesn't come with it's fair share of concerns.

First time GM
First time HC
First time OC
First time DC (youngest coordinator in the league)

It's probably been done before, but I don't remember when. For an organization that was so undisciplined and dysfunctional last year, it's an interesting route to take.

We did it 10 years ago.

Keim, BA, Goodwin, Bowles. All first timers. Just older.
 

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If Kyler doesn’t listen to this guy, I completely get it and think he is justified in not doing so. I also support Kyler if he demands a trade. This is an embarrassment of a hire.

This is some take.

Why? Because he's a first time OC? Every OC and offensive HC was at some point a 1st time OC and was successful at it (or they would not hold their current position).

Stefanski was 37 when he became an OC.

Zac Taylor was a HC at 36 with a year as OC at 32.

Matt LaFleur was OC at 36.

Steichen was OC at 35.

Josh McDaniels was OC at 36

Kevin O'Connell was OC at 34

Sirianni was OC at 37

Shanny was OC at 28

And this is just active guys.

What possible reason could you have to doubt Petzing with this level of certainty and to say Kyler has the right to blow him off?

Who should we hire? Byron Leftwich who has sucked every time BA isn't stood next to him? Ben McAdoo? Darell Bevell? Doug Marrone? Adam Gase? Joe Lombardi? Todd Downing? Pep Hamilton? Greg Roman? Scott Turner? Marcus Brady? Jason Garrett? Mike Groh? Marty Mornhinweg? Bill Lazor? Scott Linehan?

I'm intrigued as to what experienced play calling OC you think we have missed on.
 
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The gymnastics being done in this thread are pretty funny. Everyone saying the staff will be key for these first time HCs and then Gannon brings in a bunch of dudes who have very little expertise in doing the jobs they had and no experience in the job they will be doing. GM, HC, OC, and DC all in their roles for the first time. We think they are going to have time to teach when they are trying to figure their own stuff out? Kyler struggled with Kliff’s play calling and Kliff called plays his entire coaching career. We think Kyler is going to have no issues here? We will see but seems silly to think this group is not going to have some major growing pains.
Well, let's be fair, Petzing isn't going to have any time to teach to Kyler because Kyler's not even going to see the practice field before the season starts. We're looking at a Brissett, Minshew, or McCoy kind of player out there while Petzing "figures it out."

Every OC has to start somewhere... I doubt you're going to find many first time OCs with previous playcalling experience. So unless your argument is that you were only okay with a former OC at the position, or someone who called plays coaching in college ball, I don't get it.

I've got some time on my hands, so let me deep dive on how many current OCs called plays somewhere before they got the OC role, and how many did it before becoming a first-time OC...

...And done. Give me a grain of salt here - I didn't double and triple check to see if a guy called plays in the preseason, or stood in as an interim play caller during Covid. Obviously, there's teams that haven't locked in their OC yet.

- 17 teams have or will be hiring new OCs this cycle (or pushing the responsibility onto their HC).
- Of those, only 8 currently have been OCs for another team in the NFL before.
- Of the 17, only 6 had play-calling experience from college when receiving their first job as an NFL OC. One has been an OC in high school.

- Interestingly, only 9/32 current OCs have been so for another team in the NFL, with Alex Van Pelt of the Browns being the only incumbent hat has done so for another NFL team. The remainder of the league is comprised of OCs getting their first chance at this level.
- Of current incumbents, only 3 were offensive coordinators at the collegiate level, for a total of 9 coaches that held that role before ascending to it at the NFL level.

At the end of the day, that means there's only 12 teams employing Offensive Coordinators with previous play calling experience before being promoted, less than half of the league. So, color me not all that concerned.

Edit: I do want to note that the waters get muddied if we start looking at guys who were "run game coordinator" or "pass game coordinator," but at the end of the day I considered them not the ones calling plays.
 

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One of these is Drew Petzing. The others are current HC's when they first became an OC.

Age 35. 2 years as Offensive assistant. 2 years as assistant WR coach. 1 year as Assistant QB coach. 1 year as WR coach. 2 years as TE coach. 1 year as QB coach.

Age 32. 3 years as QB coach.

Age 36. 4 years assistant QB coach. 2 years TE coach. 1 year RB coach. 2 years QB coach.

Age 36. 2 years defensive assistant. 2 years QB coach.

Age 37. 3 years Offensive QC. 1 year Assistant QB coach. 3 year WR coach. 2 years QB coach.

Age 35. 2 years defensive assistant. 3 years offensive QC. 3 years quarterbacks coach.


Spot the difference. If anything Petzing has more experience.

Petzing may or may not work out but it won't be because of his age or experience.
 

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...and they'd play games against the Steelers, per se, where they had good YPA and kept passing like crazy. Drove my Browns fans buddies to distraction. He's a coach where it's his way or the highway and he often gets away from his bread and butter.
 

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If Kyler doesn’t listen to this guy, I completely get it and think he is justified in not doing so. I also support Kyler if he demands a trade. This is an embarrassment of a hire.
You know, I'm with you in being skeptical of Petzing, but not in the least with this post. If Kyler doesn't listen he will be confirmed as a cancer and should be jettisoned at the first opportunity. Justified in not listening to his new OC? Yeah, no. Now if you put forth the narrative that, if Petzing ends up being a disaster, then he would be justified, fine. To walk into the building day one and go "I'm out" would just be a punk move. I think your hyperbole is carrying you away here.
 

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Sure this staff scared the hell out of nobody, nowhere, ever !
 
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