Cards Impressed with WR Michael Floyd per Jurecki

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Are you kidden? You didnt even know who Stephen Hill was pre-combine. Nobody did. Hes a combine monster whos rocketed up the draft boards because of a 40. His college stats arent impressive because he wasnt impressive. Guys completely unproven.

Floyd, on the other hand, has a rap sheet (ba dum tss) of credentials. go for the sure, proven thing.



Youve got that Al Davis-itis. Tall, fast. DRAFT HIM IN THE FIRST!

i watched a lot about him...like also about other prospect who i like...30 yard X catch is aa joke for u???? he had 820 yeard last season with a bad team who run most of the time..if he was playing for oklahoma or baylor he could have sensational stats...u will see who is right about him..time will show..i remember 2 years a go i was one of the few pushing for daryl washington
 
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The off the field issues scare me a bit.. What scares me more is if he has that Diva WR attitude.. Fitz is a freak, but is team attitude and lack of the typical Diva WR act set him apart from many other super stars..

think about this though, the Cardinals are not exactly known for setting smoke screens in the past for the first round..

We all know we liked Levi, we picked him.
We all knew we liked Beanie, We picked him
I didn't really hear anything about Dan Williams too too much, but I heard a LOT about D Washington, and we picked him
All we heard last year was how much we liked Newton and PP7 and we picked PP7

I have a gut feeling that Floyd is our guy this year... I have no doubt the Cardinals have done and are doing their due dilligence but I think ultimately it will come down to Floyd (if he is there), DeCastro, or to a lesser extent possibly Jonathon Martin..

Overall, I would be fine with Floyd/Decastro.. Both players would significantly upgrade our offense, in different ways..
 

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Floyd and Martin scare the crap out of me....... I think both would be very poor picks. If they want a WR..... why not get someone who isn't like Fitz? If we stick with 13, there will be more players with a much higher positional value than a #2 WR.

Heck..... If that is what they want, then they need to look backwards and focus on Hill and Wright.

A 1st round WR would seriously piss me off knowing we do not have a 2nd rounder to get the O-Lineman we desperately need. Bell or no Bell we need better players along the O-Line. And even though it has been talked about, I would be personally shocked if one of Decastro, Kuechly, Upshaw, or Ingram weren't there at #13.
 

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we know for a fact that J.Martin is a weak butterball, we need to move in with a full court press on Bell. He hasnt signed anywhere yet and thats probably because nobodies really pursuing him. We need to sit him down and get this done. Start clearing space, make the necessary cuts, we need him.
I want to sign Bell, if he checks out medically, but why do you call Martin a proven weak butterball when he did 20 reps and Bell, the guy you want, did only 9 :shrug: ? Martin will get stronger when in a NFL training program.
 

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I want to sign Bell, if he checks out medically, but why do you call Martin a proven weak butterball when he did 20 reps and Bell, the guy you want, did only 9 :shrug: ? Martin will get stronger when in a NFL training program.
In theory I agree with you (After all, who other than Bell is considered a viable FA left tackle prospect)?

But I don't know that much about Bell, other than that a bunch of fans on this board say he's good. Anybody have something more concrete that makes a positive case for Demetrius?
 

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This is exactly what we need. Our WRs can't get off the line of scrimmage. They look like a herd of turtles once the ball is snapped. Even the smallest DBs can delay them.

One of the main reasons our oline and QBs look so awful and that the QBs are always looking for Fitz is that there is no one to throw to because Doucet and Roberts can't get downfield fast enough.
 

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you know, the Cardinal organization has been usually pretty candid of late of who they like and usually follow through on it...seems very likely to me that they would say so and then draft the kid
 

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Would love this pickup, but I keep hearing that Justin Blackmon is likely to drop based on his size (6 ft 7/8). Praying that is the situation that presents itself, but would be content with Michael Floyd if he drops. The guy is a pretty big target with good-great speed. Would love to see what working with Larry Fitz and John Lott would do for him.
 

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i watched a lot about him...like also about other prospect who i like...30 yard X catch is aa joke for u???? he had 820 yeard last season with a bad team who run most of the time..if he was playing for oklahoma or baylor he could have sensational stats...u will see who is right about him..time will show..i remember 2 years a go i was one of the few pushing for daryl washington

You cant compare Hill with Washington. Pre-combine, Washington was already the 2nd-3rd best LB in the draft

Pre-combine, Hill was a 5th round pick.

Thats not remotely close of a comparison. Washington, like Floyd, also had a litany of credentials and numbers to back his draft status. Hill has a fast 40. you dont think theres other guys who wouldve done better in college had they been on a better team?




Floyd and Martin scare the crap out of me....... I think both would be very poor picks. If they want a WR..... why not get someone who isn't like Fitz? If we stick with 13, there will be more players with a much higher positional value than a #2 WR.

Heck..... If that is what they want, then they need to look backwards and focus on Hill and Wright.

A 1st round WR would seriously piss me off knowing we do not have a 2nd rounder to get the O-Lineman we desperately need. Bell or no Bell we need better players along the O-Line. And even though it has been talked about, I would be personally shocked if one of Decastro, Kuechly, Upshaw, or Ingram weren't there at #13.

Martin is a hell no. I think we will be smart enough to avoid him. Whiz was at the pro day and saw first hand what all of us saw. Martin is NOT an NFL caliber player.

Id actually prefer to trade back a bit into the early 20's and grab a 2nd rounder. Early 20's, Floyd might make it there, Melvin Ingram might make it there, BPA overall will be a damn good pick regardless.

In the 2nd we can take a RT or whatever. BPA or need-based in the 2nd depending on what we got in the first

We need Bell though. Hes the key to our draft.

I want to sign Bell, if he checks out medically, but why do you call Martin a proven weak butterball when he did 20 reps and Bell, the guy you want, did only 9 :shrug: ? Martin will get stronger when in a NFL training program.

Bench reps mean nothing. Like fast 40's (Larry ran a 4.7).

dont worry about stats, have you seen martin play, or watched him in position drills? Goodness man, he is visibly weak. When he pushes or pulls a guy, its with extreme effort and the guy (usually a teammate) is dancing with him a bit. If it were an opponent, hed get blown backwards.

In addition to not having the brute strength necessary (although its not THAT important compared to-->) He doesnt have the tenacity. Hes not mean enough. Hes not competetive or aggresive enough. He seems very timid in drills and that adds to his weak performance.

Go to NFL.com, find the Stanford Pro day vids and one of them is about DD and Martin. You wont need to ask why I think hes weak. Just watch for yourself and draw your own conclusions. He looks like OLBs could bull his ass over in the NFL.
 

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I know many on this board don't agree with me but when Jurecki talks, I listen. I just feel that he has an inside connection from his days as the CI.
 

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I get confused with the chant of some that Bell is all that and the "answer" to our entire FA and will set us up perfectly for the Draft.

He is injury prone at this point. The Bills are desperate for a LT and they aren't trying to re-sign him. It appears no team is chasing him with any resolve but he will be a difference maker here????

The standard line that our OT's suck so bad he would be an upgrade doesn't make sense to me. It no other teams are chasing him in a league that is struggling to find LT's then his chances of upgrading our O-line are minimal. But let's say he is an upgrade, it would still not change how we approach the draft since we wouldn't have really addressed the LT position.

At this point, with how our roster is set, I'm all for going BPA in rd1 no matter what the position with the exception of QB & RB. I don't think a QB that may be available to us at 13th will be BPA. I doubt Richardson falls to us and in that case I would trade back if possible.

After rd1 I'm all for BPA all the way at any position.
 

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Go look at the news... Bell clearly wants out of Buffalo. The Bills have made him several offers and he's not responding; probably because they're league min deals. Which begs the question, is Bell completely healthy? Let's not forget that he also visited the Redskins, so we're bidding against Snyder. Jurecki even mentioned yesterday on Twitter that according to Bell's agent, he's still mulling offers so don't look for something to be done this weekend.
 
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Go look at the news... Bell clearly wants out of Buffalo. The Bills have made him several offers and he's not responding; probably because they're league min deals. Which begs the question, is Bell completely healthy? Let's not forget that he also visited the Redskins, so we're bidding against Snyder. Jurecki even mentioned yesterday on Twitter that according to Bell's agent, he's still mulling offers so don't look for something to be done this weekend.

Thanks for the corrections. I would think that the Bills are offering low $'s is still rather telling. We will know more when he actually signs somewhere and see the contract details.
 

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Yes ....this and Floyd > Blackmon.

Other than height...... There isn't a single skill where I would give Floyd the advantage.

Seriously..... Why do you think Floyd is better than Justin Blackmon?
 

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I get confused with the chant of some that Bell is all that and the "answer" to our entire FA and will set us up perfectly for the Draft.

He is injury prone at this point. The Bills are desperate for a LT and they aren't trying to re-sign him. It appears no team is chasing him with any resolve but he will be a difference maker here???? .
You are basing your case on (1) durability issue and (2) lack of enthusiasm by the Bills. (You also refer to lack of interest by other teams, but the Skins as well of the Cards are in the hunt).

Missing from your analysis is an evaluation of how Bell actually played.

Like you, I'm a bit skeptical of all the glowing praise of Bell without supporting info. But you're not providing any hard info - either pro or con.
 

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You are basing your case on (1) durability issue and (2) lack of enthusiasm by the Bills. (You also refer to lack of interest by other teams, but the Skins as well of the Cards are in the hunt).

Missing from your analysis is an evaluation of how Bell actually played.

Like you, I'm a bit skeptical of all the glowing praise of Bell without supporting info. But you're not providing any hard info - either pro or con.

Looks to me that with his stated confusion on Bell he's looking for some hard info as opposed to offering any.
 

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Looks to me that with his stated confusion on Bell he's looking for some hard info as opposed to offering any.
Correct. I'm not ashamed to admit that I don't have all the answers. Nor do I see anything wrong with asking questions when you don't know.

(of course, I could bluff my way thru...which seems to be the norm on a lot of boards).
 

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I would prefer DeCastro or Melvin INgram, but I would not be pissed with drafting Michael Floyd.

Personally, if we wanted to upgrade our receiving corp, lets traed back and draft Kendall Wright in the 1st round and Nick Toon in the 3rd or 4th.
 
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