Cards not planning go after big names FA

[earthsci]

Green is no Belichek. Not even close. I dont see Belichek whiffing and signing big time mid tier busts such as Ross and Huff.

Yeah, Belichick sure got the best of us by only trading a third rounder for Duane Starks. He made Denny look like a fool.

 

[Shane]

I believe we were promised FA's. I don't remember the Cardinals ever saying TOP Dollar FA's.

The only time I've heard Edge's name out of the Cardinal facility was from Kurt Warner.

The Bidwills specifically promised that when the new stadium opened(this year) they would go out and "compete with other teams in FA" Im sorry but signing mid tier guys is no hard thing. We have done that for years.

I wouldnt consider th status quo of signing 5 to 6 mid tier guys as any type of change in the organizations direction or consider it competing with the big guys.

Does anyone else?

 

[BACH]

This is in no way pure speculation by Kent Somers. He has a direct quote form Graves
You're assuming, of course, that Rod wouldn't dream of blowing a little smoke...

But if Rod is leveling, consider this:

When you decide to sign a high profile free agent (particularly at RB) you are in most cases throwing a lot of money at a guy with a certain amount of tread worn from the tire.

You can't rely on being able to prorate your investment over several years and, in fact, run the risk that an injury in Year One could wipe out everything (i.e. at least when rookies or young players get injured, they'll still be relatively young by the time they are ready to play again).

Signing a expensive high-profile guy like Alexander, Lewis or James is scary business. Last year, I frankly thought they'd all bomb, but all three wound up with good years. But it would be just our luck that we'd sign one of them and it would turn out that "last year" was his last good year.

It's obviously frustrating to fans when the Cardinals seem to shy away from the top guys, but, in my opinion, they make the most sense for teams who feel they're only one player away from a championship. For us, the updside/downside ratio is likely to be too risky.

I agree, Jeff.

While I do think the article has some credibility, I also think a lot of you are putting too much into the words.

MB, Graves and Green has numerous times stated that they are using the long-term Philly-Model to run this team. That means, that they will not overpay for star players, who are nearing the end of their career (The Eagles letting Vincent and Taylor go after they both went to the Pro-Bowl). The rule is pretty simple. If a player isn't expected to finish this long-term deal, then you shouldn't give him a long-term deal.

Obviously, I don't know that Graves and Green are thinking, but it's very likely that they don't think Alexander and Edge has 5-7 more years left in them, so Graves could very well state that they won't go after them.

Players like Bentley and Hutch are another story. They are both younger and are expected to have much longer careers at their positions. They could be signed within the rules of the Philly-Model.

And Graves could be BS'ing, of course.

 

[Shane]

Yeah, Belichick sure got the best of us by only trading a third rounder for Duane Starks. He made Denny look like a fool.

Would you like to run down a list of personel/coaching decisions of the two? Wanna take a guess of who would come out on top?

 

[Shane]

I simply don't know what you mean, but it has nothing to do with what I wrote.

I'm simply not enamoured by "names". We have some homegrown stars and budding stars... and properly surrounded with solid emerging talent picked up in FA... I believe is the way that Green - Graves want to and will proceed.

As for Huff and Ross... I'm not in position to make a final judgement... can you?

I dont know how you dont understand. My response is pretty straightforward. as to Ross and Huff? Are you serious? They plain and simply sucked. What more do you need to know?

 

[NEZCardsfan]

Green is no Belichek. Not even close. I dont see Belichek whiffing and signing big time mid tier busts such as Ross and Huff.

We were promised big time FA's and that we would pursue them by the Bidwills.

I'm not quite ready yet to write off Ross and Huff as busts.

With good coaching, and in their proper roles both could be productive.

My thought last year was Huff would be a ST guy, and fill in depth at MLB and WLB. Injuries ravaged the LB unit, and I will be honest, as an everydown LB Huff blew. Hopefully this year Hayes can stay healthy and Blackstock will step up and be what people think he is.

Ross is best suited to run block. Pretty silly for Green to bring him in here....stick him at RT, then let him fail as we throw the ball 55 times a game. If Ross is to succeed he probably has to be moved inside, or moved to backup. We have to many weapons at WR to ever think we'd throw the ball less than 35 times a game.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Green is no Belichek. Not even close. I dont see Belichek whiffing and signing big time mid tier busts such as Ross and Huff.

Sure there is going to be players who don't work out. Lets not forget guys like Berry, Macklin, Okeafor, Warner, Obefemi, etc that have exceeded expectations.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Five year plans become obsolete with free agency. After year three our record is hardly any better than when Green started. This is not progress. Yes, we can continue to say we are only a player or two away but I am sick of hearing that. Teams who pick up the right players in FA turn it around in one year not three and certainly not five. We will be lucky to have 5 players on todays team still here 5 years from now. The clock is ticking.

The five year plan includes FA'a acquired, draftees and the development of both. And we are entering year three. What others may or may not have done is largely irrelevant. Green will be judged by where the team stands at the end of this plan or tenure. And how you can project the team roster 5 years down the road is beyond me. Maybe you could pick a winning loto number for me, while you at it...

 

[Shane]

Sure there is going to be players who don't work out. Lets not forget guys like Berry, Macklin, Okeafor, Warner, Obefemi, etc that have exceeded expectations.

Yes I will give him Berry, Okeafor, and Warner. Very good signings. I dont consider Obefemi any type of difference maker. Macklin is already being thrown out there as possible being replaced in the starting line-up.

However When you go out and sign a guy like Ross paying him 5 million ayear and have him suck as bad as he did. That can cripple your team if you sign a few more of those with salaries like that.

 

[earthsci]

Would you like to run down a list of personel/coaching decisions of the two? Wanna take a guess of who would come out on top?

Sure. If you look at the years that they were coaching bad teams. Belichick has has plenty of 5-11 & 6-9 years.

 

[Shane]

Sure. If you look at the years that they were coaching bad teams. Belichick has has plenty of 5-11 & 6-9 years.

huh?

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I dont know how you dont understand. My response is pretty straightforward. as to Ross and Huff? Are you serious? They plain and simply sucked. What more do you need to know?

As you've proclaimed the final word on Ross and Huff... what more can be said...

 

[Shane]

As you've proclaimed the final word on Ross and Huff... what more can be said...

Can you say they didnt suck? CAn you say you have seen anything that shows they will turn it around?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I'm not trying to become Mr. Negative, but I doubt we'll get to .500% this year. I am now at a point where I just believe Green's on field arrogance derails our chances to compete.

If were to get Schottenheimer in here with another year of Green talent.....we might be SB contenders.

And what exactly has Marty ever won? He was about to get canned until they surprisingly turned it around 2 years ago. A very similar to what Green is going into this year.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Dennis... As much as I want this team to draft Lendale White, How could you not go after--at least--Edge? He would fit great with this team, kind of like Faulk with STL.

 

[NEZCardsfan]

And what exactly has Marty ever won? He was about to get canned until they surprisingly turned it around 2 years ago. A very similar to what Green is going into this year.

That is speculation.

Also Schott would have had a couple of AFC Titles if not for Elway.

 

[earthsci]

Can you say they didnt suck? CAn you say you have seen anything that shows they will turn it around?

Obviously some people do, or did.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=627810&postcount=1

 

[Shane]

The Bidwills specifically promised that when the new stadium opened(this year) they would go out and "compete with other teams in FA" Im sorry but signing mid tier guys is no hard thing. We have done that for years.

I wouldnt consider the status quo of signing 5 to 6 mid tier guys as any type of change in the organizations direction or consider it competing with the big guys.

Does anyone else?

Does anyone else think that signing mid tier guys like we have always done is competing with the big guys?

 

[MadCardDisease]

If the Cardinals could sign Bentley, Kemo and a few other FA I would be happy. I don't think we absolutely need to go after an Edge or Alexander.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

When did we last have a pro bowl type RB or QB?

Johnny Johnson in 91

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Can you say they didnt suck? CAn you say you have seen anything that shows they will turn it around?

Well, it was pointed out by someone that Huff led the D in tackles for loss, and Ross certainly improved in the later part of the season. So... yes... there's hope for both. If they're as bad as you say... I'm confident that Green will sort things out.

 

[Shane]

Obviously some people do, or did.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=627810&postcount=1

Your right. I was wrong. Glaringly wrong. Whats your point?

 

[Shane]

If the Cardinals could sign Bentley, Kemo and a few other FA I would be happy. I don't think we absolutely need to go after an Edge or Alexander.

Sorry but Bentley would be considered a high profile FA. He is arguably the best OL available. By Graves statement we wont be interested.

 

[earthsci]

huh?

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...a...head...coach...were...judged...just...as...harshly...as
...Denny...Green's...and...he...has...had...more...bad...years...then
...Denny.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

We are consistently terrible, and had one of the worst rushing attacks in history. People can try to justify it as much as they want, these "mid tier" acquisitions that sometimes pan out, sometimes don't. We have multiple top tier running backs out there, and supposively increased revenues from the new stadium. I'm sorry, if we get a bunch of mediocre players, and end up 6-10, 7-9 next year, I will be incredibly pissed.