Cards not planning go after big names FA

[earthsci]

Your right. I was wrong. Glaringly wrong. Whats your point?

That sometimes people are wrong but there is more right than wrong as far as what has been done with FA. Huff was brought here to bring depth and compete for a starting position. Not be a big signing. Okeofer and Warner were that. Do you think those were bad signings?

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Your right. I was wrong. Glaringly wrong. Whats your point?

Maybe the point or suggestion... is that we consider the source when assessing your opinions past and present...

 

[Shane]

Belichick's...decisions...during...his...many...bad...years...as
...a...head...coach...were...judged...just...as...harshly...as
...Denny...Green's...and...he...had...more...bad...years...then
...Denny.

Are you really trying to imply that Green is on the same level as Belichek?

No point in even debating you on this as I can see where you are headed(or already at better yet)

 

[Shane]

Maybe the point or suggestion... is that we consider the source when assessing your opinions past and present...

That cant be true. You still :notworthy to Dennys decisions.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Sorry but Bentley would be considered a high profile FA. He is arguably the best OL available. By Graves statement we wont be interested.

But, he said, the chance of the Cardinals signing a free agent "at the very top" of the market is unlikely.

I take "at the very top" to be top 5 players in FA (Alexander, James, Brees, Abraham, Woodson/Peterson/Howard/Hutchison). I think Bentley is more like top 10-15 which would be considered Top Tier not Very Top Tier.

 

[earthsci]

Are you really trying to imply that Green is on the same level as Belichek?

No point in even debating you on this as I can see where you are headed(or already at better yet)

That's not what we are debating Shane. I think that Belichick is probably the best coach in football right now. You said -

I dont see Belichek whiffing and signing big time mid tier busts such as Ross and Huff.

He has and he will.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

That cant be true. You still :notworthy to Dennys decisions.

nonsequitur...

 

[Shane]

That's not what we are debating Shane. I think that Belichick is probably the best coach in football right now. You said -

He has and he will.

I didnt say he never woul. Thats impossible. I highly doubt you will see him whiff on two guys depended on to be starters in the same year.

So this year we bring in 3 or 4 mid tier guys and 1 or two average guys. Then yet again two or god forbid 3 fall on their face. We are yet again back at square one.

BTW I stated earlier that I give credit to Green for Okeafor, Berry, and Warner.

 

[Shane]

nonsequitur...

 

[earthsci]

I highly doubt you will see him whiff on two guys depended on to be starters in the same year.

1. As stated earlier, Huff wasn't brought in to be anointed a starter.
2. Duane Starks.

 

[vinnymac]

green not on the same level as belichek. if he were, the cardinals would be winning superbowls, not having a top ten pick in the draft every season. let get back to the thread topic.

it is what g & g consider top fa. where do they have the fa ranked.

 

[Shane]

1. As stated earlier, Huff wasn't brought in to be anointed a starter.
2. Duane Starks.

Well we will have to agre to agree to disagree. I fully believe that Huff brought in here to start. Funny how they said he was here to compete with HAyes initially and then at the beginning of tTC he was named the starting WLB.

 

[Shane]

Still waiting for someone to answer This:

The Bidwills specifically promised that when the new stadium opened(this year) they would go out and "compete with other teams in FA" Im sorry but signing mid tier guys is no hard thing. We have done that for years.

I wouldnt consider the status quo of signing 5 to 6 mid tier guys as any type of change in the organizations direction or consider it competing with the big guys.


Does anyone else think that signing mid tier guys like we have always done is competing with the big guys?

 

[Billy Flynt]

Kent Somers [/B]
The Arizona Republic
Feb. 24, 2006 12:00 AM

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"Dennis has maintained that he likes for our attention and our efforts to be directed on guys who feel they still have a lot to prove," Graves said.

Graves declined to address specific players expected to hit the free-agent market on March 3, such as Alexander or James.

But, he said, the chance of the Cardinals signing a free agent "at the very top" of the market is unlikely.

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1) I would put Lewis in the role of someone who still has something to prove.

B) This could also be a signal to players like Alexander, et al that the Cardinals are not to be used as leverage when negotiating contracts with other teams. We are serious about winning and brining in players who want to win and not just get a paycheck.

Obviously we have a few holes to fill especially on the OL where they have no idea how to open a hole. I still expect one fairly big name to sign (James or Lewis, the likeliest) in an effort to put Cardinal Red in the stands of the new stadium. No one is going to get pumped and buy season tickets b/c Bentley signs here.

 

[vinnymac]

ussually around this time you hear rumors that have strong backing to them about which team has the best chance of signing who. their hasn't been any for the cardinals. just names that fill the cardinals need.

 

[conraddobler]

Still waiting for someone to answer This:

The Bidwills specifically promised that when the new stadium opened(this year) they would go out and "compete with other teams in FA" Im sorry but signing mid tier guys is no hard thing. We have done that for years.

I wouldnt consider the status quo of signing 5 to 6 mid tier guys as any type of change in the organizations direction or consider it competing with the big guys.


Does anyone else think that signing mid tier guys like we have always done is competing with the big guys?

Well I don't know myself.

I'd reserve judgement until I see how FA plays out but if they sign some no name guys those guys better turn out to be studs if we could have had Hutch or Bentley or Edge or Alexander and we don't get any of those and the guys we get are lunch pail guys I will be HIGHLY PO'D.

I was willing to wait for the new stadium, it's here, SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!

The running back situation to me can be fixed in the draft if we draft White but you cannot fix our O line with draft choices, we need at least one if not two high profile Oline signings or we are waisting the talents of a lot of other people we pay big money to.

 

[Stout]

Would it be nice to have a big name. heck yes. But....

I would rather have 6 Solid starters then 1 big name and 3 below average guys. I truley believe you are only as strong as your weakest link, so having solid starters from top to bottom is the route I would rather take.

As for all of this Huff talk, you may have still not liked his play (which I think is debatable, but will save that for another time) but he was still a huge upgrade to the 2004 WLB spot, he was a good FA pickup in that regard, especially considering his price.

If we upgrade spots along the OL, DT, and FS with solid starters we will be much further along and much upgrade compared to last year would we not? In fact I say we are a good playoff team if that happens.

Also take a look at the big time, big name, big contract FA signings of guys switching teams from the last 3 years or so. More times then not those signings didnt turn out like they thought they would and look to be bad contracts now.

Also Green and Graves said huge contracts that Alexander or James would get. They didnt say they wont spend money, such as that of Okeafer and Berry who recieved some pretty good contracts in the 30 Mill. You have 4 types of FA's. Your elites who are Alexander and James who will get huge money. Then you have your top tier guys such as our very own Berry and Okeafer and maybe Lewis or Bentley who will not get nearly as much as Alexander or James, then you have your mid tier guys such as the Macklins of the world who are solid starter and make your team better, then you have your low tier low money guys such as Femi who play their role, then your low tier and bust FA's. The article says we wont sign any Elite type FA's, doesnt mean we wont go after top tier FA's or mid tier FA's. There are still a lot of good players to be had besides an Alexander or James.

Now if we dont go after and sign any top tier FA's, then I will be pissed.

See, this right here is the mindset problem that our organization and many of the fans clamoring for us to remain cheap seem to spout. I'm sorry, Joe, but I expected much better out of you. WE HAVE the cap space to sign a big name FA AND a few other quality starters. If we continue offering flat, uncreative contracts like we did to the players you mentioned, no, we won't. Then again, this year we supposedly have the monety to be creative.

So this team DAMN WELL NEEDS TO GET CREATIVE AND IMPROVE THIS MOTHER-LOVING TEAM!!! I do NOT want a boatload of Huffs and Rosses. I want a Bentley, or a Hutch, or a James, and a few really solid starters to go along with it. AND WE HAVE THE MONEY AND ABILITY TO DO IT. Sack up, Graves, and get the damn job done. NO EXCUSES.

 

[Shane]

See, this right here is the mindset problem that our organization and many of the fans clamoring for us to remain cheap seem to spout. I'm sorry, Joe, but I expected much better out of you. WE HAVE the cap space to sign a big name FA AND a few other quality starters. If we continue offering flat, uncreative contracts like we did to the players you mentioned, no, we won't. Then again, this year we supposedly have the monety to be creative.

So this team DAMN WELL NEEDS TO GET CREATIVE AND IMPROVE THIS MOTHER-LOVING TEAM!!! I do NOT want a boatload of Huffs and Rosses. I want a Bentley, or a Hutch, or a James, and a few really solid starters to go along with it. AND WE HAVE THE MONEY AND ABILITY TO DO IT. Sack up, Graves, and get the damn job done. NO EXCUSES.

Badabingbadabang!

 

[Denny Green Fan]

I will be pissed if we dont get Bentley. I would rather have him than James. Bentley figures to be more productive over a longer period of time than James.

 

[Totally_Red]

Well I don't know myself.

I'd reserve judgement until I see how FA plays out but if they sign some no name guys those guys better turn out to be studs if we could have had Hutch or Bentley or Edge or Alexander and we don't get any of those and the guys we get are lunch pail guys I will be HIGHLY PO'D.

I was willing to wait for the new stadium, it's here, SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!

The running back situation to me can be fixed in the draft if we draft White but you cannot fix our O line with draft choices, we need at least one if not two high profile Oline signings or we are waisting the talents of a lot of other people we pay big money to.

Exactly!!! And Somers makes that exact point in one of his articles today. Stepanovich and Brown aren't solid starters even if they started their rookie seasons and struggled greatly.

Granted both were only 4th round picks, but even first-rounders take a while to be contributors. A veteran infusion of at least one and probably two linemen is needed.

 

[PortlandCardFan]

Badabingbadabang!

Would you be happy if the Cards signed Jamal, Bentley, Chris Hope, and Kemoeatu? and maybe Stephen Neal.

 

[AzWins23]

God....this Sucks!!!

 

[AZCB34]

I leave it to Green - Graves and the scouting department to make solid assessements as to who best can meet our needs in the third year of a 5 year plan.

First, everyone said, and rightfully so, Denny gets more than one year to turn it around. Year one was, as expected, a struggle.

Next, everyone was saying Denny gets more than two years because it is a three year plan. Year two was horrible on alot of levels but hey, Denny was going to see year 3 of his deal no matter how incompetent he looked on the sidelines last year...ooops, I meant all his assistant coaches looked because Denny only works with the scout team and it isn't his systems in place.

Now I actually read that this is year 3 of a FIVE YEAR plan?

Wow...what's next?

"Denny gets a pass this year (2011) because we all know rebuilding a team is an 8 year plan."

 

[AZCB34]

Sack up, Graves, and get the damn job done. NO EXCUSES.

Let's not forget Denny's role in this as well. Graves can only sign the guys to uncreative contracts that Denny says he can.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

1) I would put Lewis in the role of someone who still has something to prove.

B) This could also be a signal to players like Alexander, et al that the Cardinals are not to be used as leverage when negotiating contracts with other teams. We are serious about winning and brining in players who want to win and not just get a paycheck.

Obviously we have a few holes to fill especially on the OL where they have no idea how to open a hole. I still expect one fairly big name to sign (James or Lewis, the likeliest) in an effort to put Cardinal Red in the stands of the new stadium. No one is going to get pumped and buy season tickets b/c Bentley signs here.

Speak for yourself. There are many fans that would be pumped and buy season tickets if we can fix the offensive line