Cards Ring Of Honor

[NJCardFan]

I've been wondering. Looking at the Cards' ring of honor, it is ripe with legends from the Cards' history dating back to Chicago but I'm troubled by the lack of St. Louis Cardinals in there. Dan Dierdorf, Larry Wilson, and Roger Wherli are on there but I'm wondering why players like Charlie Johnson, Mel Gray, Roy Green, Jim Hart, Jim Bakken, Terry Metcalf, to name a few are not on it. Is the criteria that you be a hall of fame player? There are a bunch more players who belong like Neil Lomax(who QB's this team through 3 straight winning seasons, something that hasn't been done since), Larry Centers, etc who deserved to be honored. I really wish this franchise embraced what little good/great players we've had especially in the STL/PHO/AZ era.

 

[MadCardDisease]

The Ring of Honor should be reserved for VERY special players.

Fitzgerald will be the next player honored when his career is over.

 

[NJCardFan]

The Ring of Honor should be reserved for VERY special players.

Fitzgerald will be the next player honored when his career is over.

Hart wasn't a very special player?

 

[az jam]

I think Adrian Wilson deserves consideration. He has been to 5 pro bowls and was all pro 3 times. All with the Cardinals

 

[MadCardDisease]

Hart wasn't a very special player?

Way before my time so I can't really comment.

 

[Cardsfanstl]

Hart wasn't a very special player?

Hart should be on there for all those years in the 70's he played at high level.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I think Adrian Wilson deserves consideration. He has been to 5 pro bowls and was all pro 3 times. All with the Cardinals

+1

 

[NJCardFan]

I think Adrian Wilson deserves consideration. He has been to 5 pro bowls and was all pro 3 times. All with the Cardinals

A-Dub is probably going to make the hall of fame someday too.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

A-Dub is probably going to make the hall of fame someday too.

He should be considered at the very least.

 

[Buckybird]

Hart should be on there for all those years in the 70's he played at high level.

Actually John, Jimmy didn't play that well except for about 3-5yrs in 18. He's probably also in the top 10 for passes intercepted as well. I loved Baby Face & those bombs to Mel Gray as much as anyone, but if he deserves to be in the Cards ROH it would probably be based on years of service mostly. Imo Charley Johnson was a better overall QB.

Where you been lately?

 

[splitsecond]

I believe A-Dub, Fitz and Dockett have all earned their place in the ROH with their body of work and for being the faces of the re-biirth of the franchise.

 

[TruColor]

Jim Hart not being in the ROH is almost criminal.

 

[cardpa]

I think these three most certainly belong, Roy Green, Jim Bakken, Terry Metcalf. Green played WR and DB for the Cardinals. Bakken was one of the all time best kickers in the game. Metcalf was one of the most dynamic and game changing RBs in the game.

 

[Jake6233]

I think Adrian Wilson deserves consideration. He has been to 5 pro bowls and was all pro 3 times. All with the Cardinals

Bidwill already said he would be in the ring of honor the day they released him two years ago:
"He joined us at a key time in our organization’s evolution and helped lead us into a new era. We will always be grateful for that and look forward to the day when he’s placed in the Ring of Honor at University of Phoenix Stadium alongside the other all-time great Cardinals.”

http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and...n-Wilson/3f79fff6-97b0-4b47-895e-bbc1165b4054

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[BigRedMO]

Actually John, Jimmy didn't play that well except for about 3-5yrs in 18. He's probably also in the top 10 for passes intercepted as well. I loved Baby Face & those bombs to Mel Gray as much as anyone, but if he deserves to be in the Cards ROH it would probably be based on years of service mostly. Imo Charley Johnson was a better overall QB.

Where you been lately?

The danger is assessing QBs of the 70s is to use today's benchmark. Rules changes have made QB virtually a different position from the 70s. As I recall Terry Bradshaw threw more picks than TDs. Every QB back then threw a bunch of picks. All a DB had to do was knock down a receiver and strep in front of the ball. Hart's stats compare very favorably for QBs of his era. Hart was starting QB for damn near 20 years. That will never happen again for Big Red

 

[az jam]

Bidwill already said he would be in the ring of honor the day they released him two years ago:
"He joined us at a key time in our organization’s evolution and helped lead us into a new era. We will always be grateful for that and look forward to the day when he’s placed in the Ring of Honor at University of Phoenix Stadium alongside the other all-time great Cardinals.”

http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and...n-Wilson/3f79fff6-97b0-4b47-895e-bbc1165b4054

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Thanks, didn't recall that from Bidwill.

 

[NJCardFan]

The danger is assessing QBs of the 70s is to use today's benchmark. Rules changes have made QB virtually a different position from the 70s. As I recall Terry Bradshaw threw more picks than TDs. Every QB back then threw a bunch of picks. All a DB had to do was knock down a receiver and strep in front of the ball. Hart's stats compare very favorably for QBs of his era. Hart was starting QB for damn near 20 years. That will never happen again for Big Red

Hart threw for nearly 35,000 yards in an era when offenses were more balanced or run centric. Also, with the exception of 3 QB's(Tarkenton/Unitas/1st few years of Fout's career) every QB ahead of him in passing yards(Hart is 25th all time) played in the 16 game season era. The fact that the Cards have done nothing to acknowledge him in the post St. Louis era is criminal indeed.

 

[earthsci]

Hart threw for nearly 35,000 yards in an era when offenses were more balanced or run centric. Also, with the exception of 3 QB's(Tarkenton/Unitas/1st few years of Fout's career) every QB ahead of him in passing yards(Hart is 25th all time) played in the 16 game season era. The fact that the Cards have done nothing to acknowledge him in the post St. Louis era is criminal indeed.

Not saying that it's right but maybe because he signed with a division rival.

 

[BW52]

Sonny Randle should be in ROH.Cards best WR 1959 thru 1966.All Pro 1960.Several Pro Bowls (4).One year Cards threw 18 TD passes.Rande caught 15 of them. JD Crow the other 3. 328 Catches as a Card and 60 TDs.
Very fast sprinter from Virginia.15 TD catches in a 12 game season with John Roach as the starting QB (1960)

 

[Buckybird]

Sonny Randle should be in ROH.Cards best WR 1959 thru 1966.All Pro 1960.Several Pro Bowls (4).One year Cards threw 18 TD passes.Rande caught 15 of them. JD Crow the other 3. 328 Catches as a Card and 60 TDs.
Very fast sprinter from Virginia.15 TD catches in a 12 game season with John Roach as the starting QB (1960)

Totally agree about Randle cause he was a stud WR in that era. The Cards had some very good teams in those days but couldn't get into the playoffs because of no wildcard & being stuck in the same division with those great Brown teams. One year they lost just 3 games & didn't sniff the playoffs.

 

[TJ]

A-Dub is probably going to make the hall of fame someday too.

He'll be one of those guys who makes the pro bowl like 30+ years after he's eligible.

 

[BW52]

Totally agree about Randle cause he was a stud WR in that era. The Cards had some very good teams in those days but couldn't get into the playoffs because of no wildcard & being stuck in the same division with those great Brown teams. One year they lost just 3 games & didn't sniff the playoffs.

IIRC Browns finished 10-3-1 Cards 9-3-2. Remember after that season the Cards beat the Packers in the runner up game 24-17?GB finished second to Colts and Cards finished 2nd to Browns in the Eastern Division.

 

[Buckybird]

The danger is assessing QBs of the 70s is to use today's benchmark. Rules changes have made QB virtually a different position from the 70s. As I recall Terry Bradshaw threw more picks than TDs. Every QB back then threw a bunch of picks. All a DB had to do was knock down a receiver and strep in front of the ball. Hart's stats compare very favorably for QBs of his era. Hart was starting QB for damn near 20 years. That will never happen again for Big Red

While I agree about the era, Hart had 10 REALLY bad years throwing the football. Don't get me wrong I loved watching #17 but he was a mediocre QB during his days even with the rules where DBs could dismember & assault WRs. Now if he would've had Coryell coaching him for most of his career he would've been a better QB, but he only had 5 yrs with him.

I think these guys were better than Hart regardless of what the numbers say, feel free to chime in:
Sipe
Jaws
Bradshaw
Anderson
Staubach
Tarkenton
Kilmer
Gabriel
Dawson
Lamonica
Brodie
Starr
Jurgenson

Players who I feel are equal to or similar players to #17:
Ferguson
Griese
Manning
Bert Jones
Plunkett
Grogan
Stabler
Greg Landry
Morton
Namath
Hadl
Snead
Charlie Johnson

We all know why Griese, Namath & Bradshaw get accolades...rings

Do I think Baby Face deserves his name in the rafters? Yes, but so does Charlie Johnson imo. I just think a mediocre career & not having a HOF bust is what's keeping him out.

As a matter of fact look who's in the ROH. All HOFs except for 2, Goldberg & PT...though Jackie Smiths name is missing!!! Hmmmm

 

[Buckybird]

IIRC Browns finished 10-3-1 Cards 9-3-2. Remember after that season the Cards beat the Packers in the runner up game 24-17?GB finished second to Colts and Cards finished 2nd to Browns in the Eastern Division.

Yeah that sux!

 

[BigRedMO]

No one in AZ cares about Big Red Players from STL days. They never saw them play so is a non-issue. That is what is so sad when a franchise moves. All their history is lost and they in effect become an expansion team. It is saddest for the players because it is as if they never played. It is worse for those not in HOF because for most people there is not even the pretense of caring about them.