Buckybird
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I'm with ya. Leinart has more talent in his pinkie finger than BSP. Keep dreaming Brian.
Cards' St. Pierre wants to be No. 2
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I'm with ya. Leinart has more talent in his pinkie finger than BSP. Keep dreaming Brian.
CardinalChris
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I assume the coaching staff sees the difference in talent worth an extra $415K. I have to say that is a small "premium" to pay. Heck, our third RB makes a cool million, our backup, underachieving DT counts 1.7 million, and our long snapper makes 845K. I guess there is worse fat on this roster, and I can think of worse things to throw $415K at than a 3rd string qb. I'd go talent over salary at that position on most days.
I would have a hard time believing that this is true. Can we find out? I am too lazy right now.
I have no problem with BSP wanting to be number 2. I don't think it will happen, but I have no problem with it.
What I DO have a problem with is paying that much money for a third string QB.
Camp should be fun this year.
AsUpRoDiGy
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Whisenhunt is only doing this because he wants to push Leinart. He doesn't want Matt getting too comfortable in the #2 spot, so he made the position up for grabs, just to see how Matt responds to a challenge. I'm sure Whiz already knows Pierre won't beat out Leinart, but a little competition never hurt anyone, and right now, Leinart needs to push himself to be the best player he can, because chances are Warner won't start every game next season (knock on wood). If the running game can be somewhat productive, and Leinart doesnt have to throw the ball 40+ times a game, he should be an above average QB, and prove why he was drafted 10th overall.
There is one enormous difference between BSP and all those others you mentioned. The other guys actually play more than once every 6 years.
Talent is irrelevant when the guy never gets on the field.
I believe that Mr. St.Pierre also counts more against the salcap than Mr. Hightower a guy who scored 11 touchdowns last season. He counts more than our pro-bowl special teams player. When you are scrounging for dollars to fit guys under the cap every 415k counts.
BTW: Who do you consider our 3rd RB. Jason Wright only makes 675k.
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I honestly think though that Whisenhunt can't forget his first season here and having Leinart and Warner both hurt and nobody to turn to. We had to sign one guy off the High School practice field in Rattay and another guy out of the broadcast booth to have depth at that point. He is probably concerned with the repeat.
I remember the game against the Panthers vividly...maybe the worst football game I've ever seen live. Rod Hood getting torched at the end of the game by that angry nugget Steve Smith was the icing on the cake.
Goldfield
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I had the very same thought (without the smiley face). This seems like non-news to me.
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Kurt not starting for 31 other teams last year?? I don't know about that BSP.
Uh yeah, sounds dimbulb.
blindseyed
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Good luck Brian....you'll need it after being 3rd in Pitt and Baltimore...and being 30. I wonder if Stoney Case is coming back to fight for the #1 spot
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Again you are going to have to explain these "signals" you are reading. He started the NFC Pro Bowl starter over Matt and told BSP he could compete for #2 keeping inline with his competition theme that he always does.
And just because you inherit a player doesn't mean you automatically don't want him. Jim Caldwell just "inherited" Peyton Manning. Does that mean he is going to prefer Jim Sorgi or something? Unles sguys have bad attitudes most coaches like good players - ineherited or not.
If Wiz really didn't like Matt, Leinart would have been gone by now or at least demanding to be traded this past offseason. You gotta think the #2 QB would have a better feel for what the coaching staff thinks of him then a bunch of message board dorks like us.
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MoeIsBetter
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I think Matt Leinart will be fine and I think Whiz knows that. He knows Kurt is the starter next year but I agree he doesn't want Matt to be complacent. He wants to see Matt fight for a spot and just like all of us know, Matt doesn't have a chance to beat out Kurt right now (especially with that new hefty contract). He does the right things but finding ways to push players. I do believe though that if Matt does get beat out for the #2 spot, Matt Leinarts days are numbered here in Az.
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i think he meant if warner and leinart were both under any other coaching staff, they probably would have thought with the wallet and gone with Leinart.
MoeIsBetter
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Thats my thinking too. Warner was a backup before last year. He wouldn't have even had a chance on 99% of the other teams last year...Except maybe Tennessee. They did the same thing we did but with to much drama in their young QB.
WisconsinCard
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All this is true if he's on the roster come the start of the season. He could be cut and cost nothing against this years cap.
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And I want to be spanked by a Supermodel.....Whatever...
IAWarnerFan
Warnerphile, but a Cards fan!
Until they got tired of have a QB that throws more Ints than TDs that is.
Until they got tired of have a QB that throws more Ints than TDs that is.
Jake Plummer played in Arizona for years.
I know you are kidding but money talks in the nfl and many a good player has been cast aside for a high priced rookie.
I'll never forget the discussion about Thomas Jones vs Michael Pittman. Swd led the group that said that Jones would play no matter what because of where he was drafted. He was correct.
If I owned the Cards Warner would be playing for San Francisco or under a one year contract with AZ. No way I give a 38 year old QB $15 million with the other contract situations I faced no matter how well he played the year before. However, when he retired, I would make him Larry Wilson jr and he would have a job with my organization as long as he wanted.
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PJ1
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Agreed. Love what Warner did for us but no way I give him 15M.
CardinalChris
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The money he makes over Palko is less than 0.5% of the cap, and only 75K over veteran minimum. It is like not paying for insurance because you have never been in an accident before. And you are right, talent is irrelevant. But QB is one position I would pay a small amount more and hope he never sees the field. But to compare him to a second year 5th round RBs salary is not fair. In fact I bet he makes more in salary than Wells. Doesn't mean it is a bad investment. There is nothing this team is trying to do that 415K is stopping them from doing.
Wright signed a 2 year, $2 million deal. He counts 825K against the cap (675 in salary, 150k in bonus). That was an average, not a specific salary
That 415k is not irrelevant. That is money they could give to somebody else to possibly upgrade a position with a player who will actually get on the field.
That is in addition to the message it sends to other players whose uniforms actually get dirty on Sunday. Berry has to take a pay cut and this guy who never plays gets a million bucks?
The Vet minimum is also irrelevant because the position of 3rd string QB can be filled by a 2-3rd year player who has never completed a pass in an NFL game instead of a 7-8 year vet who has never completed a pass in an NFL game.
Its like buying no deductible/expensive Collision insurance on an 2000 Ford Escort you've only tried to drive one time in 8 years and then it wouldn't start.
