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Probably the best option they had.

They can still negotiate a long-term contract, but if another team signs him, it is 2 1st rounders. I don't see that happening.
 

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Probably the best option they had.

They can still negotiate a long-term contract, but if another team signs him, it is 2 1st rounders. I don't see that happening.

Best option they had was xeroxing Darnell Dockett's 2010 extension and putting it in front of Campbell in August when it was clear that he was a core player but not one of the Top 5 3-4 DEs in the National Football League.
 

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I really thought Rod Graves would get an extension done :biglaugh:. I mean he is a core player and all.
 

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I regret pulling a Yogi'ism on you, but this sounds just like "Deja vue all over again". The slug has struck yet again it would seem. Just a couple of days ago talks were fruitful according to Graves. This should have been done last year when we had 30 mil that we sat on. Graves, always so full of optimism, seems to me to be full of something else entirely. I have little faith at this point that Graves will be able to sign Campbell. Of course, he will claim that talks are going on positively and the signing is very near, (just like it was all throughout last year), and into the off-season.
 

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I regret pulling a Yogi'ism on you, but this sounds just like "Deja vue all over again". The slug has struck yet again it would seem. Just a couple of days ago talks were fruitful according to Graves. This should have been done last year when we had 30 mil that we sat on. Graves, always so full of optimism, seems to me to be full of something else entirely. I have little faith at this point that Graves will be able to sign Campbell. Of course, he will claim that talks are going on positively and the signing is very near, (just like it was all throughout last year), and into the off-season.

???

We ended 2011 with $7M in CAP room and were 5th in total player compensation for the year. And the (7) carries over to 2012 and covers Kolb's March bonus.
 

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Schefter is reporting that there's going to be a record number of franchise tags used this season, so I guess we shouldn't be surprised AZ is included.
 

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Schefter is reporting that there's going to be a record number of franchise tags used this season, so I guess we shouldn't be surprised AZ is included.

Yup! It's time to call the Atlanta Centre for Disease Control because Graves Disease is breaking out throughout the League given the number of Tags extended and expected before Monday.
 

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Yup! It's time to call the Atlanta Centre for Disease Control because Graves Disease is breaking out throughout the League given the number of Tags extended and expected before Monday.

You have to look at it on a case-by-case basis, right? Is Graves' inability to lock up a core, proven player like Calais Campbell the same case as the Ravens or Bears not wanting to extend a short-term investment like Ray Rice or Matt Forte into the future? Of course not. Does Cleveland placing their Franchise Tag on their Kicker have any bearing on Graves on being able to lock up one of our two best defenders?
 

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Yup! It's time to call the Atlanta Centre for Disease Control because Graves Disease is breaking out throughout the League given the number of Tags extended and expected before Monday.

if only this wasn't a regular occurrence for this team, your attempt at humor might have a point. but considering it's par for the course for this franchise, the fact that other teams are doing this, means absolutely nothing.

besides this being deja vu all over again, the other reasons not getting a long-term deal done MONTHS ago will hurt the team is a) they could have signed him for much cheaper had they had ANY forward thinking and gotten him signed before he completely blew up (and for anyone who says he might not have signed, players WANT SECURITY... hell, Campbell even said that's what sucks about the Tag in Urban's article today) and b) he now has an 11 million dollar cap figure which is a huge chunk that will be an impediment which keeps us from adding as many pieces as possible in FA.
 

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No big deal. He will be signed long term, period. Doesn't matter if its today or two months from now. I have only said that about three players each of the last three years, during a time when everyone was wringing their hands over it, Wilson, Dockett, and Fitz. Campbell will be my fourth, bank on it. He is a Wiz guy and Wiz guys get re-signed.

His agent Ben Dogra makes the human snail look like Usian Bolt. He sometimes doesnt even give counter proposals for weeks at a time. He beyond any other agent out there uses time to his advantage. A deal was never going to get done last year and it was never going to get done until he got franchised because his agent Dogra would not allow his client to do it. It puts maximum pressure on the team by using time and that is how he does business.
 
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No big deal. He will be signed long term, period. Doesn't matter if its today or two months from now. I have only said that about three players each of the last three years, during a time when everyone was wringing their hands over it, Wilson, Dockett, and Fitz. Campbell will be my fourth, bank on it. He is a Wiz guy and Wiz guys get re-signed.

His agent Ben Dogra makes the human snail look like Usian Bolt. He sometimes doesnt even give counter proposals for weeks at a time. He beyond any other agent out there uses time to his advantage. A deal was never going to get done last year and it was never going to get done until he got franchised because his agent Dogra would not allow his client to do it. It puts maximum pressure on the team by using time and that is how he does business.

Are you 100% sure on this? Campbell was getting a lot of criticism from Whis during he late-season surge in 2010, and was only getting the most qualified of praise from Whis last season. Urban was on the blog writing about Campbell much the same way he was writing about Breaston two years ago last year.

I'd actually be a lot more confident that Campbell would get done if he'd received anything like a vote of confidence from Whis, but I haven't heard that in any of his press availabilities for a long, long time.
 

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It lets both sides get what they want. Campbell gets to shop himself and see what the market will bear. Cardinals let him shop and get to match if he gets an offer or let him go and get the picks. He sees what he can get and Cardinals get a fair market read so they don't overpay. Both sides win. Its business, not personal.
 

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It lets both sides get what they want. Campbell gets to shop himself and see what the market will bear. Cardinals let him shop and get to match if he gets an offer or let him go and get the picks. He sees what he can get and Cardinals get a fair market read so they don't overpay. Both sides win. Its business, not personal.

Agreed, and not the least bit surprising, but i've mentioned in other threads i hope this doesn't turn into Dansby pt2..
 

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It lets both sides get what they want. Campbell gets to shop himself and see what the market will bear. Cardinals let him shop and get to match if he gets an offer or let him go and get the picks. He sees what he can get and Cardinals get a fair market read so they don't overpay. Both sides win. Its business, not personal.

In what world do you live in that teams negotiate with Franchise players? A franchise designate hasn't been signed under that tender since Joey Galloway in 1999.
 

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In what world do you live in that teams negotiate with Franchise players? A franchise designate hasn't been signed under that tender since Joey Galloway in 1999.

Wasnt there one more, a D player I think? Maybe even sooner then the Galloway one. This is going to bother me...
 

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Wasnt there one more, a D player I think? Maybe even sooner then the Galloway one. This is going to bother me...

Sean Gilbert, per Somers. Don't know what year. Went to Panthers, regrettable choice.
 

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CC wasn't elite until this year. I don't have a problem with them waiting until after the season. Some are acting like he's dominated for 4 years, he hasn't.
 

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No big deal. He will be signed long term, period. Doesn't matter if its today or two months from now. I have only said that about three players each of the last three years, during a time when everyone was wringing their hands over it, Wilson, Dockett, and Fitz. Campbell will be my fourth, bank on it. He is a Wiz guy and Wiz guys get re-signed.

His agent Ben Dogra makes the human snail look like Usian Bolt. He sometimes doesnt even give counter proposals for weeks at a time. He beyond any other agent out there uses time to his advantage. A deal was never going to get done last year and it was never going to get done until he got franchised because his agent Dogra would not allow his client to do it. It puts maximum pressure on the team by using time and that is how he does business.

The more things change, the more things stay the same.

I have to vehemently disagree with you, Joe. When have the Cards ever franchised someone and then signed them to a long-term deal? It isn't in Graves's wheel house to get this deal done under that kind of pressure.

Can we even use the franchise tag on the same player two seasons in a row any more? If so, I see a repeat of the Dansby situation--two tags and then hasta la vista. If not, we pay him the franchise this season, and see the last of him this season. I have ZERO confidence that Graves will get this done.
 

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