Change of Heart

[DaisyCutter]

It is essential that the Cards draft a running back with their first pick. I don't care if it's 16th overall or 25th overall, they need to get a breakaway back.

I was thinking that one of the most pleasureable plays to watch as a fan is a breakaway TD run by a back. Then I was wondering when the last time I could remember watching a runningback in red breakaway for a 30+ yard TD.

It was difficult to remember. I thought I'd check. So... does anyone remember?

As far as I could find, it was Marcel Shipp (of all people) making a 39 yard TD run... which didn't score a TD. He had a 56 yard run that failed to find the end zone (somehow). Both of those happened in 2002.

It's been 6 years since the Cards had a legitimate home-run back. As far as I could tell, Thomas Jones had a 58 yard TD run on September 15, 2002.

Please, Cards, correctly identify a feature back whom someone can be afraid of. That's really, really pathetic.

 

[Totally_Red]

It is essential that the Cards draft a running back with their first pick. I don't care if it's 16th overall or 25th overall, they need to get a breakaway back.

I was thinking that one of the most pleasureable plays to watch as a fan is a breakaway TD run by a back. Then I was wondering when the last time I could remember watching a runningback in red breakaway for a 30+ yard TD.

It was difficult to remember. I thought I'd check. So... does anyone remember?

As far as I could find, it was Marcel Shipp (of all people) making a 39 yard TD run... which didn't score a TD. He had a 56 yard run that failed to find the end zone (somehow). Both of those happened in 2002.

It's been 6 years since the Cards had a legitimate home-run back. As far as I could tell, Thomas Jones had a 58 yard TD run on September 15, 2002.

Please, Cards, correctly identify a feature back whom someone can be afraid of. That's really, really pathetic.

If Rashard Mendenhall is there I'm all for it. I haven't seen enuf of Jonathan Stewart to know if he's worthy of the pick.

 

[football karma]

welcome to the Jonathan Stewart bandwagon --

take any open seat and make yourself comfortable.

We will be practicing in a few mintutes our baritone "Stewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww" cheers for when he breaks off long runs

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Well, I've got no problem with a "back" at #16, providing he's the heir apparent to Edge, not some change of pace back (no matter how fast) who can't tote the rock 25 times a game. If the latter is the selection, we'll be looking for our workhorse a year, perhaps, two down the road.

Mendenhall / Stewart - Yes.

Felix Jones - No

 

[sundevilscott]

What are your opinions of J Charles from Texas??

 

[Heucrazy]

What are your opinions of J Charles from Texas??

2nd round if we go CB in the 1st.

 

[sundevilscott]

Here is a mock that has us taking DRC in the first and J Charles in the second. I would be stoked for this but I don't think DRC lasts that long.

http://newnfldraft.com/about-2/2008-nfl-mock-draft-round-1-cont-april-5-2008

 

[DaisyCutter]

What are your opinions of J Charles from Texas??

I think the Cards like him, but I'm not interested. I'm generally wary of any players from Texas, but especially their RBs. The Big XII is a pretty terrible conference that gets consistently overrated because of tradition, or something. IMO.

 

[abomb]

I have done a 180 on Cason. Whomever takes him late first, early second is going to get one of the top corners in the draft.

 

[CardEd]

Then I was wondering when the last time I could remember watching a runningback in red breakaway for a 30+ yard TD.

It was difficult to remember. I thought I'd check. So... does anyone remember?


.

Emmitt took one to the house against the Saints in 2004. Can't remember if it was over 30 yards

 

[DaisyCutter]

I'm right there with you, abomb. I think Cason is one of the top 3 corners in this draft, and someone is going to get a heck of a value in him.

 

[Pariah]

I know it seems odd, but didn't Hambrick have one or two breakaway runs?

 

[football karma]

I have done a 180 on Cason. Whomever takes him late first, early second is going to get one of the top corners in the draft.

I agree with you --

I also think that the Cardinals situation is perfect for him in that he comes in his rookie year and plays nickel with some safety help behind him --

 

[earthsci]

I agree with you --

I also think that the Cardinals situation is perfect for him in that he comes in his rookie year and plays nickel with some safety help behind him --

Why would he play nickle when he's the best CB on the team?

 

[DaisyCutter]

Emmitt took one to the house against the Saints in 2004. Can't remember if it was over 30 yards

29 yarder. That was the same game when Emmitt threw his first TD. Cards combined for 206 rushing yards and 2 TDs.

Some guy named Mel Mitchell scored a 0 yd TD in that game. I have no idea how.

 

[DakotaCardsFan]

Some guy named Mel Mitchell scored a 0 yd TD in that game. I have no idea how.

Falling on a Josh McCown pass in the endzone after it fell out of the Left Tackle's facemask?

 

[DaisyCutter]

Falling on a Josh McCown pass in the endzone after it fell out of the Left Tackle's facemask?

Was that that game?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Was that that game?

i made so much money off that game.

 

[Duckjake]

I think the Cards like him, but I'm not interested. I'm generally wary of any players from Texas, but especially their RBs. The Big XII is a pretty terrible conference that gets consistently overrated because of tradition, or something. IMO.

People have to remember that with Texas players you get steady not spectacular. Of the 30 players drafted from UT 2001-2007 26 are still in the NFL and only one player, Mike Williams, taken in the first three rounds is out of the NFL.

Draft a guy from Texas and he probably won't make too many pro-bowls but its highly likely he'll be a starter or key backup for the entire length of his rookie contract.

Overlooked UT player in this year's draft is Frank Okam DT. The kid is huge and he can play. Will be a great late round pick for somebody. Not a potential Cardinal because we already have Watson and Branch.

 

[SECTION 11]

lol!! ah, memories.

 

[DaisyCutter]

People have to remember that with Texas players you get steady not spectacular. Of the 30 players drafted from UT 2001-2007 26 are still in the NFL and only one player, Mike Williams, taken in the first three rounds is out of the NFL.

Draft a guy from Texas and he probably won't make too many pro-bowls but its highly likely he'll be a starter or key backup for the entire length of his rookie contract.

Overlooked UT player in this year's draft is Frank Okam DT. The kid is huge and he can play. Will be a great late round pick for somebody. Not a potential Cardinal because we already have Watson and Branch.

Well put. Is it too late to revise my statement? I hate high-round Texas players. I think that playing against poor competition makes them half soft and largely overrated. They get 85% of the best recruits in the state, which is probably the second-most talented football state in the nation. Their coach doesn't have to do much, because they out-talent everyone else.

So you end up with talented guys who haven't really been challenged for somewhere between three and five years, and probably haven't been coached that much in that time.

But the mid- to late-round guys, who have had to work hard against more talented recruits to get PT and never got noticed are usually pretty good values.

But for whatever reason, the Texas players don't seem to have the "want to" to become great.

 

[football karma]

Well put. Is it too late to revise my statement? I hate high-round Texas players. I think that playing against poor competition makes them half soft and largely overrated. They get 85% of the best recruits in the state, which is probably the second-most talented football state in the nation. Their coach doesn't have to do much, because they out-talent everyone else.

So you end up with talented guys who haven't really been challenged for somewhere between three and five years, and probably haven't been coached that much in that time.

But the mid- to late-round guys, who have had to work hard against more talented recruits to get PT and never got noticed are usually pretty good values.

But for whatever reason, the Texas players don't seem to have the "want to" to become great.

USC is quickly getting the same reputation

 

[DaisyCutter]

Falling on a Josh McCown pass in the endzone after it fell out of the Left Tackle's facemask?

It's pretty incredible, but NFL.com has highlights for those games. It turned out that Adrian Wilson let through a blocker on a punt, and some guy took it off Scott Player's foot and it bounced out of the back of the end zone, where Mitchell recovered it.

Cards were off to a hot 0-3 start before that 34-10 victory.

 

[Duckjake]

USC is quickly getting the same reputation

ASU, USC, Texas at Austin. What do those schools have in common? Major conference football schools in large cities with plenty of outside distractions.

Compare Phoenix, LA and Austin to Starkville MI, State College PA, or Manhattan Kan. and you'll see why the players from ASU, USC, and Texas are like they are.

 

[DaisyCutter]

ASU, USC, Texas at Austin. What do those schools have in common? Major conference football schools in large cities with plenty of outside distractions.

Compare Phoenix, LA and Austin to Starkville MI, State College PA, or Manhattan Kan. and you'll see why the players from ASU, USC, and Texas are like they are.

1) ASU is a second-tier program that occasionally gets good prospects.
2) ASU players do go to the Pro Bowl. Look at Levi Jones, Terrell Suggs, Zach Miller (soon), John Carney, Adam Archuleta, Todd Heap.
3) I agree with the context of your argument, but I think that is a contributing reason to why ASU loses games they shouldn't.

Also doesn't seem to hurt Miami players, but they're also just a different breed.