Chargers, Raiders Plan Joint Stadium in LA Area

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Chargers, Raiders Plan Joint Stadium in LA Area

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...nt-Stadium-in-LA-292815211.html#ixzz3SFiWueHL

The San Diego Chargers are working with the Oakland Raiders to build a $1.7 billion NFL stadium in the Los Angeles area, Chargers’ special counsel Mark Fabiani confirmed to NBC 7.

Both teams will still seek new stadiums in San Diego and Oakland, but if the deals fall through, they want a backup in Carson, California. If they can't get local options by the end of the year, they'll move forward with a shared stadium.
 

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Los Angeles Raiders back in So Cal and playing in.... Carson? It's next door to Compton. The jersey sales to gangbangers alone would make enormous $$$. It's actually genius to put the Raiders there. The fan base already exists. Call 'em the Carson Raiders and mint money.

Brilliant.
 
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Wouldn't one have to switch conferences ?
 

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Los Angeles Raiders back in So Cal and playing in.... Carson? It's next door to Compton. The jersey sales to gangbangers alone would make enormous $$$. It's actually genius to put the Raiders there. The fan base already exists. Call 'em the Carson Raiders and mint money.

Brilliant.

I don't think Carson wants anything to do with the Raiders. he's on the Cardinals
 

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Carson is a ****hole, but it is far less congested than the proposed AEG location in downtown LA. Although, the 91 would be a bitch on game days.
 
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Can't believe that this could really happen. After a day like today in the NBA, anything is possible now in sports. Love it!
 

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It only seems to make sense that if they build a stadium in the LA area, it should hold two teams. Just like New Jersey.
 

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Funny, no one wanted anything to do with LA 20yrs ago. Now at least 3 teams are rumored to move there.

Oh heck, why not saturate the market and let the Rams move back too.
 
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Chargers to Los Angeles feels okay. Sucks for San Diego, but it is still SoCal to SoCal.

Raiders? No thanks. Stay up North, punks. Never understood those in SoCal that accepted it so easily when the Raiders previously moved down to L.A. Bleh.
 

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Chargers to Los Angeles feels okay. Sucks for San Diego, but it is still SoCal to SoCal.

Raiders? No thanks. Stay up North, punks. Never understood those in SoCal that accepted it so easily when the Raiders previously moved down to L.A. Bleh.

They had a good gangster vibe, perfect fit.
 

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Chargers to Los Angeles feels okay. Sucks for San Diego, but it is still SoCal to SoCal.

Raiders? No thanks. Stay up North, punks. Never understood those in SoCal that accepted it so easily when the Raiders previously moved down to L.A. Bleh.

I am the polar opposite. Not having the Chargers in San Diego seems weird but the Raiders in L.A??? Natural fit.
 
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Just a guess, but neither of you were born or raised in Los Angeles, right? :D

Born but not exactly raised. Born and lived their until I was 4 and spent every summer there until I was about 12 years old. Most of my family still lives in various parts of SoCal and I go there once or twice a year still to this day.
 

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Nope!

I was born and raised here and was happy a team came here, didnt care who it was. Glad it was the cardinals.

If you have no team you gotta take what u can get!
 
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Stadium Scramble: The Chargers Will Not Share L.A. With The Rams

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/spo...LA-With-The-Rams-360096621.html#ixzz3tH9s1YeQ

One of the more interesting little nuggets of information to come out of this week's NFL Owners Meetings in Dallas is the revelation that Rams owner Stan Kroenke would be willing to entertain the idea of co-habitating in his Inglewood stadium with either the Chargers or Raiders.

That's significant because, for one, Kroenke actually said something. He's been the most silent of the players in this game of L.A. Roulette so the fact he's making comments means something. But even more than that, it shows Kroenke is feeling like he does not have enough support to win the Los Angeles owners vote.

One of the phrases used in the reporting of this information is "equal partner." Now, what that means to most rational-thinking individuals is splitting everything down the middle. What that means to a business mind like Kroenke, however, is anyone's guess. It's also the reason the Chargers will absolutely not, under any circumstances, be sharing a stadium with the Rams.

Even if we throw out the well-publicized personal conflict between Kroenke and Dean Spanos and just stick to the business aspect of this it's not going to happen. The Spanos family made its fortune in real estate. They own a lot of properties.

Simply put, Dean Spanos does not pay rent. He will not be a tenant for anyone anywhere for any reason. Since there's really no way to fully split the Inglewood project in two a tenant is exactly what the Chargers would be.

Kroenke has already done the legwork on Inglewood. He's bought the land, he's paid for the signature drive, he has the investors lined up to finance the thing. Unless the Spanos family pays him for half of what's already been done and half of what comes next in construction there is no equal partnership.

Moving forward they'd have to find a way to slice the advertising and marketing space in and around the stadium equally, which is not easy to do. Dean is willing to share things in Carson with the Raiders because in that scenario he is Stan Kroenke. The Chargers have done the vast majority of the work in Carson and would have the Raiders be their tenants (which would still be a better deal than the awful lease they have in Oakland).

All that is why the NFL finds itself in limbo. If reports are correct Kroenke sees L.A. support among owners shifting to the Chargers so he's extending an olive branch to keep his plan alive. However, the Inglewood proposal is just about ready to go so from a business standpoint it's the more desirable solution.

The easy answer is to let Stan build his Inglewood site and reward the team the owners want to reward by letting them move in. But with the NFL nothing is ever simple. This thing is going to go to a vote, and the result of that vote is still a long way from being clear.
 

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It's amazing how much the economic picture has changed in a decade, in regards to the cost to build a stadium. The Cardinals got Jiffy Pop Stadium built for $455m. That number now seems like a screaming bargain, with $1b seeming to be the new "starting point" for a stadium price tag and the number quickly escalating from there. The Cardinals contributed $150m of the cost - but retained the naming rights, sold to UOP for the princely sum of $158m - effectively covering their ENTIRE portion of the cost, plus an $8m profit. The net result of all of this was a very reasonable increase in ticket prices (I'd call it a bargain, given the quality of the facility, and the upgrade over SDS), and NO PSL bull**** fee. Today, you simply can't build a stadium and not jack the ticket prices through the roof, AND add a PSL fee, if the greedy owners want to earn a serious return on their investment. The Santa Clara situation shows what can happen - much of the long-term "49er Faithful" got completely priced out of the new joint. In stepped in the deep-pocket "fans" of Silicon Valley - you know, the ones who either don't show, or never sit in their seats, preferring to sip craft beers up in the club. Many are now trying to dump their PSLs and are staying away from the games in droves. A lousy owner/team will do that. How would a similar cost/pricing scenario play out in the next city to host a team? I don't think so well, including/especially LA. The whole thing will be interesting to watch unfold.
 

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So why doesn't Spanos build his stadium in Carson, and Kroenke build his in Inglewood? Does the league think that two teams need to be roommates, or is it that the municipal governments won't support a second stadium? (Ignoring, for the moment, the basic insanity of a $1B stadium for an average of 10 games or so a year (including pre-season).

Personally, I wish the Chargers would stay in San Diego. Now that I think about it, I'm surprised they haven't made more inroads over the last two decades to become the "Southern California" Chargers. I wouldn't have expected Raiders fans to convert, but a lot of other fans should have been fair game.
 

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So why doesn't Spanos build his stadium in Carson, and Kroenke build his in Inglewood? Does the league think that two teams need to be roommates, or is it that the municipal governments won't support a second stadium? (Ignoring, for the moment, the basic insanity of a $1B stadium for an average of 10 games or so a year (including pre-season).

Personally, I wish the Chargers would stay in San Diego. Now that I think about it, I'm surprised they haven't made more inroads over the last two decades to become the "Southern California" Chargers. I wouldn't have expected Raiders fans to convert, but a lot of other fans should have been fair game.

The fact that the Chargers have one foot out the door is only the fault of San Diego. They wont present a viable option for a new stadium because Qualcomm is a dump. That team deserves a new stadium, and if they have to leave the city to get it, I wont judge.
 

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It's amazing how much the economic picture has changed in a decade, in regards to the cost to build a stadium. The Cardinals got Jiffy Pop Stadium built for $455m. That number now seems like a screaming bargain, with $1b seeming to be the new "starting point" for a stadium price tag and the number quickly escalating from there. The Cardinals contributed $150m of the cost - but retained the naming rights, sold to UOP for the princely sum of $158m - effectively covering their ENTIRE portion of the cost, plus an $8m profit. The net result of all of this was a very reasonable increase in ticket prices (I'd call it a bargain, given the quality of the facility, and the upgrade over SDS), and NO PSL bull**** fee. Today, you simply can't build a stadium and not jack the ticket prices through the roof, AND add a PSL fee, if the greedy owners want to earn a serious return on their investment. The Santa Clara situation shows what can happen - much of the long-term "49er Faithful" got completely priced out of the new joint. In stepped in the deep-pocket "fans" of Silicon Valley - you know, the ones who either don't show, or never sit in their seats, preferring to sip craft beers up in the club. Many are now trying to dump their PSLs and are staying away from the games in droves. A lousy owner/team will do that. How would a similar cost/pricing scenario play out in the next city to host a team? I don't think so well, including/especially LA. The whole thing will be interesting to watch unfold.

It seems like nowadays, if the government is footing some of the bill you can jack up the costs astronomically. Works for college too. Government gives out money via student loans, college prices skyrocket. Our stadium is very nice, maybe not as nice as the new ones are going to be, but they certainly are not 2x or 3x nicer.
 

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"......That team deserves a new stadium...."

And why is this exactly? And at who's expense?
 

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Who said there would be big crowds? The LA market has lost 3 football teams there before. I think it's a pipe dream thinking this will be different.

do you go to local games? Have you dealt with with LA rams fans? There are still existent, even today.
 

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I think things have changed a lot since LA lost their teams (in the 90s: the Chargers moving from LA to SD in 1960 when the AFL was 1 year old is immaterial to me). Corporate subscriptions are the priority, not the average fan who may or may not go depending on traffic. The league also plays three days a week now, and having two teams will help spread interest in the second-largest market across all that coverage (not that people in LA don't watch the NFL).

It is surprising that it's taken this long, but honestly, the Jets couldn't get a stadium built in metro New York, and if the Meadowlands weren't already there, the Giants would have had trouble, too.
 

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