Charges upgraded against Payton

[slinslin]

TORONTO (AP) -- "Police have upgraded an assault charge against former Milwaukee Bucks teammates Gary Payton, Sam Cassell and Jason Caffey stemming from a fight, a prosecutor and the men's lawyer said Friday.

Payton, Cassell and Caffey are charged in connection with an altercation outside a bar April 11. They were charged with common assault, but police upgraded it to assault causing bodily harm, prosecutor Calvin Barry said"

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/news/2003/07/18/added_charge_ap/

All Assault Backcourt

All Thug Team

LA Jail-kers

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Originally posted by slinslin
All Assault Backcourt

All Thug Team

LA Jail-kers

Enough with the hating.

The Suns have had their share of players and their brushes with the law...

 

[Mike Olbinski]

Re: Re: Charges upgraded against Payton

Originally posted by Brian in Mesa
Enough with the hating.

The Suns have had their share of players and their brushes with the law...

Awwww...you can't take it BIM?

Weren't you just dishing it out to me on IM a few weeks back?

Mike

 

[slinslin]

Oh poor Brian, didn't you want to talk about the Lakers here? Well now we are talking about them wether you like it or not.

Discuss Shawn Marion, Stephon Marbury or anything else concerning the Suns or the NBA.

I am sure you always were 100% serious and gentleman about the TrailBlazers and any other NBA team.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Originally posted by slinslin
Oh poor Brian, didn't you want to talk about the Lakers here? Well now we are talking about them wether you like it or not.

Discuss Shawn Marion, Stephon Marbury or anything else concerning the Suns or the NBA.

I am sure you always were 100% serious and gentleman about the TrailBlazers and any other NBA team.

I always want to talk Lakers basketball, but your posts are nothing but hating.

I'd like to once read an educated, non name-calling post by you regarding them. But that's probably asking way too much. :roll:

 

[elindholm]

I always want to talk Lakers basketball, but your posts are nothing but hating.

Dream on. The content of most of your posts has always been, "The Lakers are great, the Suns suck, neener neener." Boy, great basketball content. It's been so knee-jerk and unimaginative that you are one of the very few posters that I have on Ignore.

Now that the Lakers' glory is being undermined by their own players, you suddenly want the talk to be pure.

How convenient.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Originally posted by elindholm
I always want to talk Lakers basketball, but your posts are nothing but hating.

Dream on. The content of most of your posts has always been, "The Lakers are great, the Suns suck, neener neener." Boy, great basketball content. It's been so knee-jerk and unimaginative that you are one of the very few posters that I have on Ignore.

Now that the Lakers' glory is being undermined by their own players, you suddenly want the talk to be pure.

How convenient.

BS.

I am a Lakers fan, but my entire family is full of Suns fans. I of course also hear and read about the Suns since I live in AZ and get the local papers and local tv.

When have I attacked the Suns at all? I'd be interested in seeing those posts.

Besides the times that the Lakers play the Suns, I don't ever remember being involved in any discussions except the Marbury extreme DUI one.

Suns fans have a hatred/jealousy for the Lakers but there is none in return. The Suns are just another team in the West.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Also from slinslin's posted article:

"One of the people who made the allegation of assault at the time said that he suffered no injuries, but has now got some medical evidence that we have not seen that he did suffer some medical injury," Greenspan said, adding he believed the injury was whiplash. "There's no suggestion of serious bodily harm."

But of course he wouldn't want to present both sides...

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by Brian in Mesa

Suns fans have a hatred/jealousy for the Lakers but there is none in return. The Suns are just another team in the West.

Come on BIM.

I do not subscribe to the camp that you come on with the "Lakers rule, Suns suck" routine, although you rarely say anything good, if at all, about any of the Suns--but then again, you don't go out of your way to say anything bad.

Until this point. You have conveniently stereotyped all of us into one small sentence, which makes no sense whatsoever. In fact, when was the last time I or Mike or any other number of posters said that you were an arrogant pr!ck that shouldn't be on these boards--and that based on our jealousy of the Los Angeles Lakers? I don't recall one instance.

You're defending your team, that's fine--but when you turn around and say us doing the same thing is fueled by jealousy is just plain wrong.

 

[arthurracoon]

Originally posted by elindholm
The content of most of your posts has always been, "The Lakers are great, the Suns suck, neener neener."

Well, I've never heard that, and he seems to respect the suns to a certain degree.

But it's still fun to bash the lakers, because.....
...
...
they're the Lakers

 

[Renz]

Originally posted by slinslin
All Assault Backcourt

All Thug Team

LA Jail-kers

How many fights did Barkley get into? And he was revered in Phoenix.

NBA players are targets. I'm sure the Bucks players didn't start it, they were probably provoked by some drunk Raptor fans, but they showed poor judgement in not walking away.

Besides, Payton and Kobe still haven't been convicted of anything and the odds are that they never will be.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Brian in Mesa

Suns fans have a hatred/jealousy for the Lakers but there is none in return. The Suns are just another team in the West.

Brian: The Lakers are the Cowboys or Niners of basketball.

We are not jealous at all.

When I was 9 or 10, before I moved to AZ, the Lakers were my favorite team. But my home (AZ) has a team, so I pull for the home team. Despite the fact that we (Suns) haven't won a championship, the Suns still are consistently one of the top franchises in the NBA.

 

[SirStefan32]

Relax Brian, I wouldn't take anything Slin says seriously.

Stefan

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Despite the fact that we (Suns) haven't won a championship, the Suns still are consistently one of the top franchises in the NBA.

Based on record alone, your team is likely the best team not to have won a title.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Brian in Mesa
Based on record alone, your team is likely the best team not to have won a title.

Very true. Since the Suns came into the NBA, they have the fourth highest winning percentage.

 

[stompg]

The fact is that the Lakers will always be hated by Suns fans. Much like the Yankees in baseball, the Red Wings in hockey, the cowboys and niners (in their heyday) in football, it's easy to hate the favorite (or dynasty if you prefer). It is the American way to root for the underdog. The teams mentioned above are machines that seemingly always have a good, if not great team. Add to the fact that the Lakers are our longest running "rival" it makes it easier for Suns fans to hate them.

I'm born and raised in Phoenix. I was taught that the Lakers are "bad" and the Suns are "good". Now the question at hand, does that make calling them names right? In my opinion, no. It's easy, and ignorant to cast a whole team with one perception (read: the jailblazers) rather than the individual. Kobe was wrong. Payton was wrong. Kidd was wrong. Marbury was wrong. etc. etc. etc. Now here's the rub, what Kobe, Payton, and Kidd did caused actual harm to another person. Most people are willing to accept the faults of people as long as it doesn't infringe upon the rights of others. While Marbury was an idiot for driving the way that he did, the eventual outcome did not hurt anyone but himself. Does that excuse it? Absolutely not. But people are more willing to excuse transgressions if it is only hurting that individual.

I hope that this was the intelligent post you were looking for Brian. I certainly tried.

DISCLAIMER: I am in no way saying that Kobe or Payton are guilty or not guilty of what they are specifically charged of. I am referring to the actions of adultery and striking another person.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Good post, stompg.

My thing is this: Call Kobe or Payton names if you want, but the actions of a player or two should not tarnish the entire organization they play for.

The Blazers seem like a special case because they have actually brought in questionable guys rather than have supposedly cleancut guys go bad on them. Same with the Cowboys and bad-boys like Michael Irvin (he was a punk in college football).

Regardless of the crime, or alleged crime, it should reflect only on the man in question.

I think you have to take everything case by case and man by man.

I'm sure there are plenty of fans of other teams looking for a Lakers player to get so much as a speeding ticket so they can rip on the entire team for it. Like slinslin.

I just don't get into that.

Focus on the person that is in trouble, not the team they're on. Just my opinion.

 

[JCSunsfan]

C'mon Brian. This is a SUNS board. We are supposed to hate the Lakers! This goes all the way back to 1972. The fact that the Lakers had Kareem all those years (coin flip) makes us bitter. Not to mention the way Kareem mercilessly dished the CITIZENS of Phoenix so often in his career.

Hating a team like the Lakers is what makes pro sports interesting. Having some fun at their expense--even some sick jokes from time to time is to be expected here.

I don't troll Laker boards doing this, but I do hate the Lakers and I do get some sort of sick satisfaction out of their troubles.

I would not wish a rape (or the false accusation of the same) on anyone though.

 

[stompg]

I agree. Yes, I do believe that a person should be judged and not that team. However, brining up the Blazers is not necessarily the right thing. I mean the Lakers brought in J.R. Rider knowing that he had a terrible attitude. They brought in Rodman knowing he's a complete head case. Yes, the Blazers bring in a lot of questionable players but I think that most teams are willing to take a chance. Look at Cliff Robinson for example. He was considered a huge risk (much like Rider) and he turned out to be a MOSTLY responsible player while he was here.

I think it all ultimately comes down to the severity of the transgression for most people. I for one was in the camp that said that Clinton having an affair had absolutely no effect on whether he could run our country or not. I think he's a chump of a man for cheating on his wife but I don't think that has anything to do with whether he can balance our budget or keep foreign relations going. The question for a lot of these teams is where do you draw the line.

Let's take Kobe for instance. If he is cleared of these accusations and it comes down to he is simply an adulterer (I in no way mean to minimize that) then the Lakers will keep him and do a nice spin job. If he is convicted, they will probably do anything they can to sever all ties with him.

It all seems to come down to a matter of perception.

 

[elindholm]

I don't hate the Lakers. I hate fans who think that they're better than I am because "their" team has won more titles. The Suns are better off than a lot of NBA franchises, but I don't go over to the worse teams' boards and belittle their posters for no reason. I feel as though that would make me a worse person, not a better one. It's like making fun of an inner-city person for being poor while you were born into affluence.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by elindholm
I don't hate the Lakers. I hate fans who think that they're better than I am because "their" team has won more titles. The Suns are better off than a lot of NBA franchises, but I don't go over to the worse teams' boards and belittle their posters for no reason. I feel as though that would make me a worse person, not a better one. It's like making fun of an inner-city person for being poor while you were born into affluence.

THAT is exactly what the whole Laker feud comes down to. It's not hatred for the Lakers, it's hatred for the perception of their fans and the way they use that perception to belittle other teams and their own fans.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Originally posted by elindholm
I don't hate the Lakers. I hate fans who think that they're better than I am because "their" team has won more titles. The Suns are better off than a lot of NBA franchises, but I don't go over to the worse teams' boards and belittle their posters for no reason. I feel as though that would make me a worse person, not a better one. It's like making fun of an inner-city person for being poor while you were born into affluence.

Aw, c'mon Eric - the "at least we've got titles" argument only gets brought up when the Suns trounce us in a regular season game.



I would hope that my being an Arizona Cardinals fan also would keep me more grounded than most.