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Suns still competitive despite changes

Last season, the Suns were the surprise team in the NBA. Under the firm hand of MVP Steve Nash, they raced to a league-high 62 wins before falling to San Antonio in the Western Conference finals.


With Joe Johnson forcing a trade to Atlanta, Quentin Richardson being dealt to New York, and Amare Stoudemire undergoing serious knee surgery, Phoenix's scoot-and-shoot game plan seemed to be defunct.

Yet prior to Wednesday's hosting of Philadelphia, the Suns' record of 19-11 had them perched atop the Pacific Division.


Let's dissect their 105-85 laugher over the shameful Sixers to discover exactly how the reconstructed Suns still reign as the NBA's most surprising ball club.


Steve Nash did what he always does: Monopolize the ball. Seek to create scoring opportunities for his teammates and himself, in that order. Anticipate opening lanes and cuts. Make pull-up jumpers and acrobatic fall-aways. Maximize the effectiveness of the numerous screens established for his use. Running clever give-and-gones. Play alert, but frail-bodied defense.


Against the Sixers, however, Nash incorporated a new wrinkle into his game: Setting a pair of back-screens on Andre Iguodala that allowed Shawn Marion to cut to the hoop and turn lob passes into dunks.
Even though he never stirred from the bench in the fourth quarter, Nash filled the stat sheet with 11-15 shooting, six assists, and a game-high 24 points. He remains the Suns' most important player.


Shawn Marion (6-12, 13 rebounds, five steals, 13 points) continued to demonstrate that he possesses the quickest first, second, and third step in the league. He doesn't just drive to the basket — he accelerates. Yet Marion's defense against Philly was a disappointment: He didn't bother to show on several screen/rolls, and allowed a couple of perimeter fakes to lift him off his feet. Nor did he make precise defensive rotations until the second half. Perhaps the Sixers' incredibly poor performance simply failed to inspire Marion to do his best.


Like Marion, Kurt Thomas also played on cruise control (3-6, 8 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 blocks, 8 points). For the most part, Thomas was the Suns' designated screener, with most of his work done above the foul line. Indeed, he tallied two of his field goals running screen/fades in tandem with Nash. From his station at the high-post, Thomas also made several ball-reversals and handoffs to cutting guards.


In the past, Thomas's forte has been post-defense. But with the offensively-challenged Samuel Dalembert manning the middle for the visitors, Thomas had little to do on defense except box out — a task that he failed to accomplish throughout the game. (The Sixers nabbed 14 offensive rebounds to the Suns' 4.) Moreover, Thomas failed to show on several S/Rs, and also in rotations to support a double-team. On two particular S/Rs, Thomas and Raja Bell both opted to ignore the screener in favor of trying to defend the ball-handler.


At 6-9, 230, Thomas has always been a natural power forward, but during his seven seasons in New York, he was forced to play center. Blame all of the resulting pounding against stronger and bigger bigs for the current diminishment of Thomas's mobility. Boris Diaw assumed a position in the low post on several occasions, but never looked to shoot from there. Passing was uppermost in his mind to the tune of registering ten assists (to go along with 1-4, 7 rebounds, and 2 points).


If he played a good floor game on the downhill end, his defense was most often careless and ineffective. Making cotton-soft rotations on S/Rs, and defending jump shots with his hands in his pockets. But the young man was unselfish and demonstrated an incredible degree of athleticism.
Raja Bell (7-11, 16 points) played a strong game at both ends. Running on the break and making the net dance with long-range jumpers. He also did a fine job of chasing Kyle Korver through a forest of screens and limiting Philly's bomber to only 10 shots (and 11 points). Besides Marion, Bell is the only Phoenix player who can play acceptable man-to-man defense.


Eddie House played as though he was auditioning for the part of a gunslinger in "Shootout at the OK Corral." He wound up with 19 points on 7-13 shooting and showed absolutely no conscience. Passing, coordinating the offense, and playing defense were facets of the game that did not hold his interest. However, after making back-to-back treys, House ran down the court announcing to one-and-all, "They can't stop me! They can't stop me!" Apparently, House has been listening to some of Rasheed Wallace's motivational tapes. James Jones (7-12, 19 points) showed the same eagerness to shoot from the hip as House, as well as the same disinclination to pass and defend.


Okay, so the Sixers had played (and won) the night before in Portland, and Chris Webber was out with a minor injury. Still, there was no excuse for their going belly-up at the start of the second half and initiating 24 minutes of garbage time.


Philly's defense was non-existent. Their offense was a hodge-podge of isolations, bad passes, and forced shot. The only aspect of their game that made the score slightly respectable was their offensive rebounding. The Sixers' dispirited performance made the Suns look better than they really are.


Yes, the home team's rotations were somewhat more lively after the intermission, and they did cluster around A.I.'s ball-penetrations. But the Suns' defense was downright ugly. All game long, the Suns were reluctant to throw a hand at shots. To do anything more than make desultory shows on S/Rs — in truth, their S/R defense was pitiful. To box out. And to rotate with any degree of consistency (with Marion being the most noticeable exception). Even though the Sixers tallied only 85 points, 29 of their 71 shots were either wide-open or minimally contested layups (they missed 13 of these).


On offense, the Suns set screens everywhere: High, low, and in between. Weak-side, strong-side, in transition, and in their half-court sets. Staggered and double screens. Plays that featured screening the screener (for House and Nash). Back-screens and brush-screens. They also featured screens in their perpetual two-man games. But the bulk of the Suns' offense consisted of quick shots taken on the run — in fast breaks and/or early offense situations. All told, of their team total of 80 shots, 34 were hoisted in a hurry. (Imagine what the grand total might have been had Phoenix not stepped on the brakes during the entire 4th quarter.) Had a 10-second shot clock been in operation, the Suns' game plan would have barely been compromised.


So where are these guys? Their defense is just as flimsy as it was last season. They still lack power, and they don't shoot enough free throws (6 to the Sixers' 23). Can the possible late-February return of Amare Stoudemire push the Suns over the top? If Stoudemire's knee is fully healed (a doubtful premise), then their already potent offense would certainly become much more flexible and explosive. Their current four-man fast break would become a virtually irresistible five-man break. Their defense will add a shot-blocker but will remain impotent.


Sans Stoudemire, Phoenix have little chance of surviving the second round of the playoffs. Even with a healthy Stoudemire, the Suns' returning to the conference finals would be the biggest surprise of all.
 

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I guess we just need to surprise him then. :)

We may look tired last night... didn't watch the game but there are tons of games where our defense won it for us in the 4th quarter.

Or could it be that we got punished from the refs in Knicks' game for being a bit more "physical" than usual and gave Knicks 54 FT so we were a bit slacking? Either way, we won the game and that's what's important.

There are plenty of evidences that our defense is better this year. Even if our defense is not as great as the "2nd Defense Efficiency" team, our depth is definitely the reason why we are the #1 team on the Pacific without Amare (and Barbosa).

His reasons are pretty dumb... most of his points are based on last night's game. He failed to mention what we have done for the previous games.
 

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Wow That was a 360 degree turn in the article.. High Praise then Turns to Suns cant play defense so they won't win. Suns have improved defensively so that guy is a moron. Should look at stats.
 

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I agree that the Suns' defense last night was pretty bad, but you have to look at more than one game. Maybe Rosen didn't realize that the Suns had played four overtime periods and flown across the country in the previous 72 hours.
 

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The whole article to me is summed up with this statement:

Yet Marion's defense against Philly was a disappointment:

Apparently Marion's 5 steals and 13 defensive rebounds are a disappointment to others? :shrug:

Don't forget that their "flimsy" defense has placed them among the top in points differential (only behind SA), , behind SA in points per 100 possessions, while they are tied for the most blocks per game (6.2) along with the Clippers, Wolves, and Nuggets. They also produce the 3rd most amount of TOs in the league. They are the 8th best team in the league in opponent's FG% and ninth best in opponents 3pt%.

They are no means defensive juggernauts but they aren't as bad as they were last year. During the WA, Chi, and NYK games the Suns actually had to rely upon their defensive efforts to get stops and rebounds in order to erase leads built by the other teams.

And an article by John Hollinger also says the Suns keep their oppositions assists below the league average as well.
 

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To Rosen's credit, though, it is pretty difficult to write an entire article while still giving Phil Jackson a tender foot massage.
 

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fordronken said:
To Rosen's credit, though, it is pretty difficult to write an entire article while still giving Phil Jackson a tender foot massage.

:biglaugh:

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fordronken said:
To Rosen's credit, though, it is pretty difficult to write an entire article while still giving Phil Jackson a tender foot massage.

:D;):thumbup:
 

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I don't think Rosen has ever wrote a decent article

Guy is terrible
 

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However, after making back-to-back treys, House ran down the court announcing to one-and-all, "They can't stop me! They can't stop me!" Apparently, House has been listening to some of Rasheed Wallace's motivational tapes.

I snorted out loud at this line! It was worth the rest of the article just for this nugget! :thumbup: :biglaugh:
 

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Yuma said:
I snorted out loud at this line! It was worth the rest of the article just for this nugget! :thumbup: :biglaugh:

What's Microwaving Cat??? lol Just curious.
 
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Yuma said:
I snorted out loud at this line! It was worth the rest of the article just for this nugget! :thumbup: :biglaugh:

I think Eddie has replaced some of the Q swagger from last year, both in energy and shooting. Good to see.
 

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I have been reading these reviews and i dont know if there is a more asinine premise for atricle writing. Take one night in the NBA (which is notorious for doggin it from time to time) analyze the defense and offense, and then assume thats how every night for said team is. Then i can make all encompassing statements based on my views of the night. Eureka. I'm a genius! This article really pissed me off from beginning to end. He makes fair points, but htye are points that change from night to night. Boris has his hands in his pocket?!?!? He is the the one who leads the number one shot blocking team in the league for christ sakes! Oh and apparently this idiot got a medical degree at some point because despite every other glowing report, he thinks Amare is damaged goods apparently.

I know bias when i see it and this is not me being bias. Don't worry about this article Suns fan. If John Hollinger can start making our championship hopes a written reality, we are in fact playing well. If anyone, that guy hates the Suns. Its almost like Rosen wants to go against the grain purposly just to be different.

In fact, a team that held the 6ers 12 pts below their regular ppg and % while the starters sat out the fourth, i sin fact playing at least mediocre defense. This guy can sucka d--k for all i care. If Amare does return at even 80%, i have no question it will be us in the western conference finals...
 

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Arizona's Finest said:
I have been reading these reviews and i dont know if there is a more asinine premise for atricle writing. Take one night in the NBA (which is notorious for doggin it from time to time) analyze the defense and offense, and then assume thats how every night for said team is. Then i can make all encompassing statements based on my views of the night. Eureka. I'm a genius! This article really pissed me off from beginning to end. He makes fair points, but htye are points that change from night to night. Boris has his hands in his pocket?!?!? He is the the one who leads the number one shot blocking team in the league for christ sakes! Oh and apparently this idiot got a medical degree at some point because despite every other glowing report, he thinks Amare is damaged goods apparently.

I know bias when i see it and this is not me being bias. Don't worry about this article Suns fan. If John Hollinger can start making our championship hopes a written reality, we are in fact playing well. If anyone, that guy hates the Suns. Its almost like Rosen wants to go against the grain purposly just to be different.

In fact, a team that held the 6ers 12 pts below their regular ppg and % while the starters sat out the fourth, i sin fact playing at least mediocre defense. This guy can sucka d--k for all i care. If Amare does return at even 80%, i have no question it will be us in the western conference finals...

:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy
 

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Arizona's Finest said:
I have been reading these reviews and i dont know if there is a more asinine premise for atricle writing. Take one night in the NBA (which is notorious for doggin it from time to time) analyze the defense and offense, and then assume thats how every night for said team is. Then i can make all encompassing statements based on my views of the night. Eureka. I'm a genius! This article really pissed me off from beginning to end. He makes fair points, but htye are points that change from night to night. Boris has his hands in his pocket?!?!? He is the the one who leads the number one shot blocking team in the league for christ sakes! Oh and apparently this idiot got a medical degree at some point because despite every other glowing report, he thinks Amare is damaged goods apparently.

I know bias when i see it and this is not me being bias. Don't worry about this article Suns fan. If John Hollinger can start making our championship hopes a written reality, we are in fact playing well. If anyone, that guy hates the Suns. Its almost like Rosen wants to go against the grain purposly just to be different.

In fact, a team that held the 6ers 12 pts below their regular ppg and % while the starters sat out the fourth, i sin fact playing at least mediocre defense. This guy can sucka d--k for all i care. If Amare does return at even 80%, i have no question it will be us in the western conference finals...


Actually Hollinger doesn't hate the Suns, he just doesn't give us enough credit most of the time.

Tony Meija (from CBS Sportsline), now there's a guy who hates the Suns. On his power rankings this week, we dropped to #9 from #7, just because of the loss to the Knicks (he put the Clippers one ahead of us).
 

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Chaplin said:
Actually Hollinger doesn't hate the Suns, he just doesn't give us enough credit most of the time.

Tony Meija (from CBS Sportsline), now there's a guy who hates the Suns. On his power rankings this week, we dropped to #9 from #7, just because of the loss to the Knicks (he put the Clippers one ahead of us).

Living in Florida now and listening to sports talk and talking to people and you just start to realize how bias it really is. I mean the crap some of these people come up with......:mad:

I need one of u guys to become a big time national reporter or sportscenter anchor so we can start shifting this back in our favor....what a joke the disrespect we get out here it is
 

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Arizona's Finest said:
. If Amare does return at even 80%, i have no question it will be us in the western conference finals...

If the playoffs started today, this would be the seedings.

1. SanAntonio
2. Phoenix
3. Minnesota
4. Dallas
5. Memphis
6. Clips
7. Golden State
8. Utah

Round 1: Spurs vs Jazz Spurs win, Suns vs Golden State Suns win, Minny vs Clips Clips win, Dallas vs Memphis Dallas wins.

Round 2: Spurs vs Dallas Spurs win, Suns vs Clips Suns win.

WC Finals: Suns vs Spurs.

My point. If the playoffs started today, we'd be in the finals even without Amare (we would pick up Barbosa by the 3nd game of the 1st round). Our biggest challenge would be Golden State.
 

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If the playoffs started today, this would be the seedings.

1. SanAntonio
2. Phoenix
3. Minnesota
4. Dallas
5. Memphis
6. Clips
7. Golden State
8. Utah

Round 1: Spurs vs Jazz Spurs win, Suns vs Golden State Suns win, Minny vs Clips Clips win, Dallas vs Memphis Dallas wins.

Round 2: Spurs vs Dallas Spurs win, Suns vs Clips Suns win.

WC Finals: Suns vs Spurs.

My point. If the playoffs started today, we'd be in the finals even without Amare (we would pick up Barbosa by the 3nd game of the 1st round). Our biggest challenge would be Golden State.

Uhhh...JC i hate to break this to you but just because you are number two seed doesn't mean you automatically advance to the WCF....We are not built for the playoffs at all without Amare....when you need to score at the end of games, we have no sure thing and thats huge....Right now i think we would lose to the Mavs and Spurs, with Denver, Minny, Memphis and even the Clips giving us all we could handle

(actually now that i think look at it...the west is real down...i expect either Denver, Houston, or GS to go on a crazy run after the all star break, much like Denver did last year and be a contender come post season.....)

Saying all that with Amare...i think we can win it all depending on how fast they all come together and no more injuries...

BTW guys...Hows my Utah "sleeper" picking looking?...i think they are only going to improve as well....i really like that team when Kiri is healthy
 

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Uhhh...JC i hate to break this to you but just because you are number two seed doesn't mean you automatically advance to the WCF....We are not built for the playoffs at all without Amare....when you need to score at the end of games, we have no sure thing and thats huge....Right now i think we would lose to the Mavs and Spurs, with Denver, Minny, Memphis and even the Clips giving us all we could handle

Uh. AZ I hate to break this to you (it does sound so condescending, does it not?) that my point is: if the playoffs started today, we would not face San Antonio or Dallas until the conference finals. The biggest test would be Golden State, but I believe we would win that series.

Then its either Minny or the Clips. I really don't think I'd be going out on a limb to say that we would be the favorite against either of those teams.

If the playoffs started today, with the seedings as they are, the Suns would be the favorites in the first two rounds, no matter who wins in the first. Of course that is no guarantee, (right USC fans?).
 

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Uhhh...JC i hate to break this to you but just because you are number two seed doesn't mean you automatically advance to the WCF....We are not built for the playoffs at all without Amare....when you need to score at the end of games, we have no sure thing and thats huge....Right now i think we would lose to the Mavs and Spurs, with Denver, Minny, Memphis and even the Clips giving us all we could handle

Uh. AZ I hate to break this to you (it does sound so condescending, does it not?) but my point is: if the playoffs started today, we would not face San Antonio or Dallas until the conference finals. The biggest test would be Golden State, but I believe we would win that series.

Then its either Minny or the Clips. I really don't think I'd be going out on a limb to say that we would be the favorite against either of those teams.

If the playoffs started today, with the seedings as they are, the Suns would be the favorites in the first two rounds, no matter who wins in the first. Of course that is no guarantee, (right USC fans?)--I'm sorry you took my prediction some sort of guarantee.

Oh, and this team, as it stands, is more prepared for the playoffs than the Suns were for the Dallas series last year--all things considered. JMO of course.

Adding Amare will help some.



(please note the use of understatement here).
 

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The lower tier of the west is so weak this year, with Amare we would basically have a bye to the conference finals.
 

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