The Marion-Shaq deal was necessary.
No it wasn't, it made the Suns worse and hamstrung them financially, but keep repeating that to yourself!
The team's window had already closed,
It was perhaps closing but the Shaq deal slammed it shut. The Suns traded what made them special for a bowl of pottage.
Regardless, you're ripping on the architect of the 4-0 Phoenix Suns
The Suns are 4-0 against the Clips, Warriors, TWolved and Heat, yep lets get the parade route lined up.
Good lord, look around at the financial quagmire the NBA is currently neck-deep in. Teams are only trying to absorb big expiring contracts in exchange for their own longer bad contracts.
Again Shaqs deal expires this year and the Cavs got rid of their own bad contracts for it, so that meets what youre saying and what I acknowledge. So that portion of the deal fit both teams needs. The Cavs also had a secondary need of being competitive right now and getting a piece that put the mover the top, this deal met that need. The Suns had a secondary need of getting younger and building for the future, this deal failed to meet that need.
The problem with the Suns FO is they show their hand so much. Everyone in the league knows what theyre trying to accomplish (this deal to save money, trying to get Curry, etc) so it likely hamstrings their deal making ability. They did accomplish their primary goal in the trade but should've been able to accomplish secondary goals as well like Cleveland did. Your insinuation that it would've been impossible and there's zero way Kerr could've done that is a bit over the top as neither of us were in the room and don't know for certain what happened.
And the front office (Griffin again) felt that there was nobody really worth guaranteeing three years of money towards at that point in the draft so the 30th pick overall round pick was deemed a negative to the Suns.
You talk to Griffin a lot do ya? I love how you make blanket statements and act like theyre stone cold facts. Maybe the Suns didn't want to guarantee a contract but having that 30th pick wouldve given them flexibility. They could've looked to flip it for a 2010 first, or a 2nd and some cash this year or next, or who knows what else.
Unless the Suns front office are even bigger knuckle draggers than I already think they are you don't just avoid obtaining a first round pick like that theres too many things you can do with it to improve your team.
Doesn't matter, Budinger as a player does not fit into what Kerr wants to accomplish here so it was never going to happen.
And thats all I came into this thread to say if you read my first post, so tell your UA buddies that.
So Budinger >>>>> Pendergraph without question
Why is that without question? Pendergraph is hurt, we have no idea how he would've done. He's also on a much better and deeper team so he likely wouldnt have had the opportunity to play right away. Plus its an easier transition for Chase (a wing) to just hit 3s and open shots than it wouldve been for Jeff. But to say its some case closed, Budingers better is beyond ridiculous.
Also, Chase is not basically a 3-point specialist. The guy is very athletic and can create his own shot and take it to the basket. He is not one dimensional. He would of been a good fit to come off the bench and eventually replace Hill.
I disagree entirely. Just because NBADraft.net compared Budinger to Hill once in a scouting report years ago doesn't mean he couldve been an actual replacement for Hill. Budingers athleticism is over rated, he can jump super high but that doesn't make him athletic in other ways. He's a slug horizontally and couldn't keep his man in front of him in college, unless he improves that dramatically thatll keep him from being a star in the NBA. He's also too weak and not a strong enough rebounder to play the 3 on any team Id want to watch.
First of all watch your mouth.
Oh so sorry Mom.
Second of all your analysis of the Suns "needs" is off. Suns more then any other team need athletic wings who can shoot.
Again Budinger can jump high, his athleticism is one dimensional, UA homers should be able to admit that.
So here is my point real simple like. Pendergraph would never have seen the light of day on the Suns because hes just not good enough.
You're basing this on what exactly? All those minutes we've seen Jeff play in the NBA? Jeff was always a hard working, hustle, tons of heart sort of guy in college with a high motor theres no reason to think that would've changed in the NBA. Jeff could be a Lou Amundson type who can actually hit his free throws and step out 10-15 feet and nail jumpers. There's a place for that in the NBA and certainly a place for that on the thin up front Suns.
skinny Pendergraph is already injured
So because Jeff is thin his knee got hurt? Or is this just a poorly constructed sentence and the two thoughts aren't related?
was picked because Nate's son played with him - well lets say its opinion coming from logic.
Jeff was picked right around where everyone projected him to go, late first/early 2nd round. You think one of the leagues better GMs is going to waste a pick on someone who he doesnt think can play because his Coaches son played with him?
And I could care less if he is a nice guy and great dude. That's all well and good as long as he can play. So I am sorry if I offended your friend but I am just calling it like I see it.
Both Pendergraph and Budinger have roles to play in the NBA and if they can stay healthy will have fine careers. Neither will be an All Star, neither will likely ever be starters on very good teams but thats fine.
I'm really trying to understand where you are going here. I know you couldn't possibly be referring to their careers as a whole, considering Harden never lost to the Cats, and Chase was a constant disappointment. 
