Clemens and Petitte accused of steroids by a former Diamondback

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Not sure if I buy the Clemens, only because if it was ture he would have already retired and not at his age and with the testing be would be breaking down and he has shown no signs of that.
 

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Not sure if I buy the Clemens, only because if it was ture he would have already retired and not at his age and with the testing be would be breaking down and he has shown no signs of that.
Didn't you hear the conspiracy theory that he was actually suspended and thats why he sat out the first 50 games of the season this year and MLB didn't let it out so not to disgrace Clemens or the game. I mean its a very long shot that that is what happend but it could make sense. If he is using HGH now the testing wouldn't catch him and may not lead to injuries. I'm just playing devils advocat but it's kind of interesting to think about. Plus how does Grimsley benefit by giving out these names if they are false? And why pick these specific players to lie about?
 

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Nobody believed Canseco, either.

And a lot of people have wondered about Roger Clemens for many years.
 

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The Baseball lords seem to be treading water while creating the illusion that they are investigating drug use. I am more inclined to believe they have cut a huge deal with the player's union to do nothing while the union has instructed their members to back off the use of steroids and HGH. If the " heores " of the game are exposed all of these "records" for on field performance will be considered just a bunch of inflated junk. Clemens , Bonds, et al are very prime suspects/ examples as indicated by the level of performance in their geriatric, by sports standards, years. Baseball would come crashing down on itself if this thing is totally exposed and we should all consider that any $$$$$ multi billion $$$$$ industry will get certain priveleges and immunity.
 

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its about time clemens was brought up. he has put on considerable mass later in his career and has shown no signs of diminishing. if i was a baseball player, i would take HGH in a heartbeat since there is no testing for it.
 

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Didn't you hear the conspiracy theory that he was actually suspended and thats why he sat out the first 50 games of the season this year and MLB didn't let it out so not to disgrace Clemens or the game. I mean its a very long shot that that is what happend but it could make sense. If he is using HGH now the testing wouldn't catch him and may not lead to injuries. I'm just playing devils advocat but it's kind of interesting to think about. Plus how does Grimsley benefit by giving out these names if they are false? And why pick these specific players to lie about?

You bring up a good point. But why would MLB cover up Clemens so he could keep his reputation, but they ruined Rafael Palmerio's?
 

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You bring up a good point. But why would MLB cover up Clemens so he could keep his reputation, but they ruined Rafael Palmerio's?

Because Clemens is one of the alltime great pitchers and if all of a sudden a great pitcher is caught for roids everything changes. Now people just think its the "big hitters" not the pitchers with the roid problem. It would bring even more questions and scepticism to the game of baseball.
 

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You bring up a good point. But why would MLB cover up Clemens so he could keep his reputation, but they ruined Rafael Palmerio's?

..because Clemens didn't perjure himself in front of a Congressional Committee.
 
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I never bought the Clemens conspiracy theory that he came back half way through the year because he was actually suspended. If he had gotten caught on steroids, he would have just retired at that stage of his career rather than serving a several month long suspension to start the season.
 

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I never bought the Clemens conspiracy theory that he came back half way through the year because he was actually suspended. If he had gotten caught on steroids, he would have just retired at that stage of his career rather than serving a several month long suspension to start the season.
I'm not necessarily saying I buy it but I find it very interesting. He might come back from something like that to prove he could do it without the roids too.
 

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Grimsley did not name Clemens, others
Former D-Backs pitcher's attorney refutes steroids report
Joseph A. Reaves
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/diamondbacks/articles/1002dbacks.html

Former Diamondbacks pitcher Jason Grimsley told federal agents questioning him about illicit drugs in baseball last spring that “never in a million years” would star pitchers Roger Clemens and Andy Pettitte use steroids, human growth hormone or any other illegal performance enhancers, Grimsley's attorney said Monday.

“Jason told them (the federal agents) he had no knowledge of Clemens and Pettitte using any illegal drugs and told them that never in a million years would either of them use,” attorney Ed Novak told The Arizona Republic.

Novak said the agents, not Grimsley, brought up Clemens and Pettitte and that recent published reports were incorrect claiming Grimsley also identified former Baltimore Orioles teammates Brain Roberts and Jay Gibbons as players who “took anabolic steroids.”

An affidavit filed in federal court in Phoenix last May by Jeff Novitzky, a special agent for the Internal Revenue Service, claimed Grimsley identified a series of major league players and a personal trainer whom he knew used illegal performance-enhancing drugs.

The names of those players and trainer were blacked when the affidavit was made public and never have been confirmed on the record by anyone who has seen it. However, the Los Angeles Times reported last weekend it was allowed to see an unedited copy of the affidavit provided by an anonymous source who refused to allow the newspaper to keep the 22-page document.

According to the Times, Grimsley identified Clemens, Pettitte, Roberts, Gibbons and Baltimore shortstop Miguel Tejada as players who used illegal performance-enhancing drugs. Former Baltimore first baseman David Segui had said earlier his name was mentioned in the affidavit.

“As to all five players named, Jason did not attribute steroid use to any of them,” said Novak, vice president of the Arizona State Bar and head of the white collar crime group of the prestigious law firm Quarles & Brady Streich Lang.

“There was no mention of Roberts or Gibbons at all. The agents didn't even mention Roberts or Gibbons.”

Late Monday, shortly after Novak denied Grimsley implicated Clemens, Pettitte, Roberts or Gibbons, the federal prosecutor overseeing the investigation of illicit drugs in baseball issued an unusual statement that also cast doubt on the story.

“In view of recent news reports purporting to identify certain athletes whose names had been redacted from the government's search warrant filings in the Grimsley matter, and in the interests of justice, please be advised that these reports contain significant inaccuracies,” said Kevin Ryan, U.S. Attorney in San Francisco.

Besides the five players, the Los Angeles Times also reported that former Yankees trainer Brian McNamee, now personal trainer to Clemens and Pettitte, hooked Grimsley up with a source who helped him obtain amphetamines, anabolic steroids and human growth hormone (HGH).

Grimsley was questioned by agents who were waiting April19 when the pitcher received an illegal shipment of HGH at his Scottsdale home. Novitzky's sworn affidavit says Grimsley, who still hasn't been charged with any crime, originally agreed to cooperate with investigators but stopped a week later after hiring an attorney.

“This affidavit was written nearly two months after the event, based on the memory of the agent,” Novak said, noting the affidavit was filed May31. “The FBI purposely does not record interviews because it does not want the public to know its interviewing process.”
 

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Honestly how can we trust what Grimsley says either way? He is a guy who broke the rules of baseball and federal laws. His word at this point isn't very trust worthy and his refuting what is said in the report could be him trying to save face with other players on the off chance he ever gets another chance. No one, with the exception of Jose Canseco, wants to be known as the "rat" who brought down major players in MLB.
 

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Maybe it's because of the Bill Clinton years but I gotta admit when I read the denial by Clemens and now by Grimsley's attorney I immediately wonder if this is intentionally done with semantics?

What I read and saw, Clemens never denied using he just kept saying he'd been tested repeatedly and never failed. His attorney said he denied ever using enhancing drugs but all I heard Clemens say was he'd never tested positive for anything. Of course we cant' test for growth hormone that's why it's currently such a hot button item.

then in this one the attorney again says Jason never said either of them used steroids, is he being specific intentionally so he's not covering growth hormone, or does he mean neither ever took ANY performance enhancing drug?

I've always been suspicious of Clemens because he got so big as he got older but I also thought as unpopular as he is with some players(because he throws at people) that if he were really using someone would have ratted him out?
 

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Honestly how can we trust what Grimsley says either way? He is a guy who broke the rules of baseball and federal laws. His word at this point isn't very trust worthy and his refuting what is said in the report could be him trying to save face with other players on the off chance he ever gets another chance. No one, with the exception of Jose Canseco, wants to be known as the "rat" who brought down major players in MLB.

He did quit the team and forfit his salary just so he would not be put into a situation to rat on other players. I doubt he would start now.... but who knows
 

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Clemens may have passed Pee pee tests, but never took a blood sample test as prohibited by the ML Player's Union. It is easy to say " I passed every test ever given to me" when the results are sealed and there is no test for HGH designer drugs.
 
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