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The good news is that the Cardinals will be much better coached this year. Stronger coaching and preparation, combined with a more tenacious mindset on the part of the players, might lead to several more victories than the five the Cardinals earned last year.

The bad news is the front office remains one of the most ill-prepared, disorganized and poorly run managements in pro sports. Witness the recent developments.

1. Last year the Cardinals saved an extra $10M on the cap at the expense of disregarding some critical team needs....such as adding personnel to the much beleaguered offensive line...particularly addressing the offensive tackle position.

It was clear that Oliver Ross was not the player they thought they signed as a free agent in 2005.

It was clear that OLB Orlando Huff was a liability on the defense.

It was clear that the Cardinals were very weak at CB and FS, especially in terms of pass coverage.

With $10M still on hand, the Cardinals added no free agent OTs, OLBers, CBs or FSs.

2. Then, during the season, in the midst of a horrendous nine game losing streak, Rod Graves declares to the media, "We are a couple of players away" from becoming winners. Hard to accept this type of rhetoric from a VP of Football Operations who elected to sit on $10M.

3. In an effort to save face regarding the extra cap space the Cardinals first inked DT Darnell Dockett to a lucrative long-term contract extension...which incidentally had teammates rolling their eyes in disbelief, when asked about it.

In my opinion, Darnell Dockett was not deserving of such a lucrative extension...he did put together a couple of good games, his first two good games since his rookie year, but Dockett is a "hit or miss" player who does a heckuva lot more missing than hitting.

The wiser thing would have been to have Dockett play out his original contract and guage his improvement along the way, particluarly in light of the fact that suddenly, with the additions of Kendrick Clancy, Gabe Watson, Jonathan Lewis and Chris Cooper at DT, the Cardinals are not in desperate shape there.

4. Then the Cardinals signed MLB Gerald Hayes to a lucrative long-term extension. Hayes, who barely saw the field in his first three years with the Cardinals, mostly due to injuries, did turn in a fine campaign at MLB for the Cards in his contract year, that is, until he was lost for the season again come December. While I like Hayes...and actually think he is better suited to play SLB...his injury history with the club makes his re-signing a considerable risk. History does have a habit of repeating itself, particularly with oft-injured players in the NFL...just ask Duane Starks.

5. The Cards made a move to re-sign FS Araon Francisco to a long term deal. Francisco's contract was well earned, as Francisco played tenaciously in 2006 and showed flashes of promise as a free safety and special teams ace. It appeared that Francisco had just become the heir to Robert Griffith's starting FS position...that is, until the Cardinals signed FS Terrance Holt today (contract terms not announced yet)...more on Holt later.

6. The Cardinals elect not to franchise T Leonard Davis...which was a very good decision---IF there's a solid plan in place to replace Davis. To this very second, there have been no true OT free agents brought in and all we, the fans, have heard is a blurb from Ken Whisenhunt that maybe Oliver Ross will overcome injuries and rise to the occasion (yeah? Fat chance)...other than that, the Cardinals' hopes for a decent season may hinge on the remote chance that T Joe Thomas will slide to the #5 pick.

7. We head into free agency with a reported $34M in cap space...and suddenly, much to everyone's surprise (and even the Cardinals???!!!) contract escalators, roster bonuses and signinging bonuses of a handful of existing Cardinal players and three recent signings (Shipp, Milligan and Al Johnson) have diminished the $34M down to a paltry $11M...

A. How do we know that the Cardinals didn't even know their actual cap space?...the fans have been told that the team's intention was to sign 6-8 free agents (none of the big splash variety)...as of this morning Al Johnson was the only free agent the Cardinals signed and with a rookie draft pool to consider (in the neighborhood of $5M)...how in the world are the Cardinals going to sign 6 or 7 more free agents with $6M?

B. Even worse...how and why in the world would the Cardinals elect to devote $7M of that precious cap space to signing a center who didn't even start last year AND after the Cardinals had decided to offer the incumbent center, Nick Leckey, a handsome $1.3M RFA tender???

Even worse...Al Johnson does not play offensive tackle...or strong side linebacker...or cover cornerback...which are the GLARING needs of this football team. Even with today's signing of Terrance Holt (who, like Johnson, will now likely take the place of a player the Cardinals gave a nice extension or tender to)...NONE of these glaring needs have been addressed...

Wonder when Rod Graves is going to tell us "we are a couple of players away" this year?

8. Ken Whisenhunt says that Terrence Holt was their top rated UFA FS...that he didn't think they had a chance of getting him...and that he is a big, strong FS to play the "physical style of football" we are looking for.

Does Whisenhunt really know what he's talking about? First of all, how Terrence Holt ranks as the top free safety over Ken Hamlin and Deon Grant is beyond belief...secondly, yes Holt is tall, but he is not physical...not even close (in fact he was so soft and slow in 2005 that the Lions felt they had to draft a FS on day one, spending a 2nd rounder on Daniel Bullocks of Nebraska---Holt did hold Bullocks off this year until late, but, let's just say that Detroit was not very interested in re-signing Terrence Holt)...thirdly, the Cardinals just suffered through two seasons of having a slow FS to offer deep help for the team's weak CBs...and now we sign another slow FS. Unreal!

And even worse...the most sure-fired future All Pro (FS LaRon Landry of LSU) in this year's draft will most likely be available at #5 for the Cardinals.

Now the Cardinals will likely have to start rookies at LT, SLB and CB (plus, the decision that Antrel Rolle and Eric Green should be fine at CB with better coaching is so flawed that one has to wonder whether the Cardinals will ever get a personnel director who can evaluate the real value of players).

I think Whiz is deferring his own judgement of defensive players in lieu of Rod Graves' and Clancy Pendergast's opinions...and just as Jo Sparkes said in her excellent article this morning...prove to us, Coach Whiz, that you can take a stand and hold your ground...because, guess what??, if you don't, in the midst of these preposterous cap and personnel decisions, you are going to be back to looking for coordinator jobs somewhere in the near future.
 
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the Cardinals just suffered through two seasons of having a slow FS to offer deep help for the team's weak CBs...and now we sign another slow FS. Unreal!

I know your PO'd that Landry is now not going to happen but Holt did run a 4.55 before he was drafted. That is fast enough.
 
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Excellent write-up, a nice list of obvious grievances against the organization. I know that you are typically a glass half full guy, so I can definitely understand your frustration. Time for a "whiny, panicking, chicken little" post in 5, 4, 3, 2,....
 

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Graves just seems to be the epitome of incompetence. He just doesn't seem to know how to put a winning team on the field. Yet he seems to be firmly entrenched in the Cardinals FO i.e. his new 3 yr contract extension. I hope I am wrong but he may turn out to be the new George Boone of the old St. Louis days.
 
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Graves just seems to be the epitome of incompetence. He just doesn't seem to know how to put a winning team on the field. Yet he seems to be firmly entrenched in the Cardinals FO i.e. his new 3 yr contract extension. I hope I am wrong but he may turn out to be the new George Boone of the old St. Louis days.

Agreed Chris...and Big Red Ark...

Just ONCE...once, can we see the team address glaring needs in free agency?

Look at the Patriots...they needed an OLB to replace Tully banta-Cain...they landed Adalius Thomas, wow!

They needed a blocking TE to replace the departed Daniel Graham, they go and sign Kyle Brady.

They needed a shifty slot WR and PR to replace Deion Branch and Troy Walters, they get two in one in the trade they made for Wes Welker.

They needed a veteran RB to team with Laurence Maroney...they sign Sammy Morris.

It goes on and on...

They didn't sign a center for a $7M cap hit to challenge Dan Koppen at center...did they?
 

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In my opinion, Darnell Dockett was not deserving of such a lucrative extension...he did put together a couple of good games, his first two good games since his rookie year, but Dockett is a "hit or miss" player who does a heckuva lot more missing than hitting.
Have to agree with you on this Mitch ...

And another well thought out post .. :thumbup:
 

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The good news is that the Cardinals will be much better coached this year. Stronger coaching and preparation, combined with a more tenacious mindset on the part of the players, might lead to several more victories than the five the Cardinals earned last year.

The bad news is the front office remains one of the most ill-prepared, disorganized and poorly run managements in pro sports. Witness the recent developments.

1. Last year the Cardinals saved an extra $10M on the cap at the expense of disregarding some critical team needs....such as adding personnel to the much beleaguered offensive line...particularly addressing the offensive tackle position.

It was clear that Oliver Ross was not the player they thought they signed as a free agent in 2005.

It was clear that OLB Orlando Huff was a liability on the defense.

It was clear that the Cardinals were very weak at CB and FS, especially in terms of pass coverage.

With $10M still on hand, the Cardinals added no free agent OTs, OLBers, CBs or FSs.

2. Then, during the season, in the midst of a horrendous nine game losing streak, Rod Graves declares to the media, "We are a couple of players away" from becoming winners. Hard to accept this type of rhetoric from a VP of Football Operations who elected to sit on $10M.

3. In an effort to save face regarding the extra cap space the Cardinals first inked DT Darnell Dockett to a lucrative long-term contract extension...which incidentally had teammates rolling their eyes in disbelief, when asked about it.

In my opinion, Darnell Dockett was not deserving of such a lucrative extension...he did put together a couple of good games, his first two good games since his rookie year, but Dockett is a "hit or miss" player who does a heckuva lot more missing than hitting.

The wiser thing would have been to have Dockett play out his original contract and guage his improvement along the way, particluarly in light of the fact that suddenly, with the additions of Kendrick Clancy, Gabe Watson, Jonathan Lewis and Chris Cooper at DT, the Cardinals are not in desperate shape there.

4. Then the Cardinals signed MLB Gerald Hayes to a lucrative long-term extension. Hayes, who barely saw the field in his first three years with the Cardinals, mostly due to injuries, did turn in a fine campaign at MLB for the Cards in his contract year, that is, until he was lost for the season again come December. While I like Hayes...and actually think he is better suited to play SLB...his injury history with the club makes his re-signing a considerable risk. History does have a habit of repeating itself, particularly with oft-injured players in the NFL...just ask Duane Starks.

5. The Cards made a move to re-sign FS Araon Francisco to a long term deal. Francisco's contract was well earned, as Francisco played tenaciously in 2006 and showed flashes of promise as a free safety and special teams ace. It appeared that Francisco had just become the heir to Robert Griffith's starting FS position...that is, until the Cardinals signed FS Terrance Holt today (contract terms not announced yet)...more on Holt later.

6. The Cardinals elect not to franchise T Leonard Davis...which was a very good decision---IF there's a solid plan in place to replace Davis. To this very second, there have been no true OT free agents brought in and all we, the fans, have heard is a blurb from Ken Whisenhunt that maybe Oliver Ross will overcome injuries and rise to the occasion (yeah? Fat chance)...other than that, the Cardinals' hopes for a decent season may hinge on the remote chance that T Joe Thomas will slide to the #5 pick.

7. We head into free agency with a reported $34M in cap space...and suddenly, much to everyone's surprise (and even the Cardinals???!!!) contract escalators, roster bonuses and signinging bonuses of a handful of existing Cardinal players and three recent signings (Shipp, Milligan and Al Johnson) have diminished the $34M down to a paltry $11M...

A. How do we know that the Cardinals didn't even know their actual cap space?...the fans have been told that the team's intention was to sign 6-8 free agents (none of the big splash variety)...as of this morning Al Johnson was the only free agent the Cardinals signed and with a rookie draft pool to consider (in the neighborhood of $5M)...how in the world are the Cardinals going to sign 6 or 7 more free agents with $6M?

B. Even worse...how and why in the world would the Cardinals elect to devote $7M of that precious cap space to signing a center who didn't even start last year AND after the Cardinals had decided to offer the incumbent center, Nick Leckey, a handsome $1.3M RFA tender???

Even worse...Al Johnson does not play offensive tackle...or strong side linebacker...or cover cornerback...which are the GLARING needs of this football team. Even with today's signing of Terrance Holt (who, like Johnson, will now likely take the place of a player the Cardinals gave a nice extension or tender to)...NONE of these glaring needs have been addressed...

Wonder when Rod Graves is going to tell us "we are a couple of players away" this year?

8. Ken Whisenhunt says that Terrence Holt was their top rated UFA FS...that he didn't think they had a chance of getting him...and that he is a big, strong FS to play the "physical style of football" we are looking for.

Does Whisenhunt really know what he's talking about? First of all, how Terrence Holt ranks as the top free safety over Ken Hamlin and Deon Grant is beyond belief...secondly, yes Holt is tall, but he is not physical...not even close (in fact he was so soft and slow in 2005 that the Lions felt they had to draft a FS on day one, spending a 2nd rounder on Daniel Bullocks of Nebraska---Holt did hold Bullocks off this year until late, but, let's just say that Detroit was not very interested in re-signing Terrence Holt)...thirdly, the Cardinals just suffered through two seasons of having a slow FS to offer deep help for the team's weak CBs...and now we sign another slow FS. Unreal!

And even worse...the most sure-fired future All Pro (FS LaRon Landry of LSU) in this year's draft will most likely be available at #5 for the Cardinals.

Now the Cardinals will likely have to start rookies at LT, SLB and CB (plus, the decision that Antrel Rolle and Eric Green should be fine at CB with better coaching is so flawed that one has to wonder whether the Cardinals will ever get a personnel director who can evaluate the real value of players).

I think Whiz is deferring his own judgement of defensive players in lieu of Rod Graves' and Clancy Pendergast's opinions...and just as Jo Sparkes said in her excellent article this morning...prove to us, Coach Whiz, that you can take a stand and hold your ground...because, guess what??, if you don't, in the midst of these preposterous cap and personnel decisions, you are going to be back to looking for coordinator jobs somewhere in the near future.

1. Agreed on all counts. Denny obviously ignored a bunch of pressing needs, but he's gone and now we need to move on.

2. See above

3. Completely disagree. Yes, Dockett had some inconsistencies (as most young players do), but I thought that he has a ton of talent and was hitting more than missing. I'm very pleased that the Cards were proactive in resigning him, instead of waiting where we would've been forced to sign him to one of these ridiculous $50 million dollar contracts that are going around.

4. Once again, this was a smart business decision. The Cards recognized that there was going to be alot of free spending and huge contracts going around, so they resigned one of their young core players at what is now a bargain rate.

5. Agree... except I don't think that Francisco was every pencilled in for the starting FS job, and I believe that that was a very good decision.

6. This was a very risky move, but I can't help remember Ross' performance in Pittsburgh. That said, we should've had a better plan and signed Pashos. The Cards dropped the ball on this one, and hopefully it won't come back to bite us.

7. A. I'm sure that the Cards new about the cap situation. As inept as Rod Graves and Co. is this is a pretty farfetched assumption. And last I heard, Whiz was talking about signing 4-8 guys, and we're on our way to doing just that.

B. Because of the market. Leckey wasn't cutting it, but he's a very good backup so we signed him to his market value. Would you rather we let another player go? This fits right in with what Whiz said about adding depth. The Johnson and Holt signings gave us starters at two positions of need: FS and OC.

8. You get angry at the Cards for resigning an injury prone Gerald Hayes, but advocate signing a player in Ken Hamlin who is equally injury prone. As for Deon Grant, he isn't very good in coverage and benefits from having one of the best defenses in all of football around him. No thanks.

And Daneil Bullocks plays SS. Terrence Holt, although solid in Detroit, didn't fit in very well with the Lion's transition to the Cover 2 scheme. He played alongside our own Adrian Wilson in college, and hopefully will carry that chemistry over here. This was a very good signing.

And Antrel Rolle will be fine at CB, but I feel that it would be nice to have Rod Hood here at compete with Eric Green.
 

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B. Because of the market. Leckey wasn't cutting it, but he's a very good backup so we signed him to his market value. Would you rather we let another player go? This fits right in with what Whiz said about adding depth. The Johnson and Holt signings gave us starters at two positions of need: FS and OC.

This Leckey's scouting report...

"Leckey is tough, works hard and makes players around him better. He is a blue-collar blocker with a mean streak. He plays with solid leverage, a good feel for the game and a nonstop motor. He really works to finish blocks. He can make all the line calls and get everyone organized. He has solid initial and first-step quickness. He has good overall range in the run game and is effective working to the second level. He can get to cut-off blocks when they run laterally. He effectively guards his edges in pass protection. Leckey has great backup value because of his brains, energy and versatility (he can play some guard), but he has ordinary tools. He is light in the butt and lacks ideal power and overall bulk. He never will dominate the interior as a run blocker. He is pretty athletic but has some trouble redirecting. He has marginal upside."

This is Johnsons....

"Johnson is smart, efficient and extremely hard-working. He has excellent body control, doesn't waste a lot of movement and quickly gets good position at the second level. He is an excellent technician who plays under control and takes great angles to his blocks. He gives every ounce of ability he has. He recognizes defensive schemes and can make offensive line calls. He knows how to pick up stunts and blitzes. He has very good balance, rarely lunges at defenders and can redirect easily against double moves and spin moves. He maintains good position and pad level and won't overreact to movement. He has a quick set, bends his knees and plays with good leverage. He can handle most one-gap penetrators. But Johnson lacks ideal strength and power. He struggles against two-gap tackles and bull rushers. He has problems holding his ground when covered up and can be pushed back into the pocket. He has trouble in short-area fistfight. He won't create much of a push on power runs."

Not a whole lot of difference there. Their negatives are almost identical.

I don't think Leckey "wasn't cutting it" is fair at all he played fairly well last season. Johnson will very likely be the starter because you don't pay a guy top 5 salary for his position and sit him on the bench. Its a shame because I honestly believed Leckey could be our long term answer at Center.
 

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8. Ken Whisenhunt says that Terrence Holt was their top rated UFA FS...that he didn't think they had a chance of getting him...and that he is a big, strong FS to play the "physical style of football" we are looking for.

When & where did you hear that?
 

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This Leckey's scouting report...

"Leckey is tough, works hard and makes players around him better. He is a blue-collar blocker with a mean streak. He plays with solid leverage, a good feel for the game and a nonstop motor. He really works to finish blocks. He can make all the line calls and get everyone organized. He has solid initial and first-step quickness. He has good overall range in the run game and is effective working to the second level. He can get to cut-off blocks when they run laterally. He effectively guards his edges in pass protection. Leckey has great backup value because of his brains, energy and versatility (he can play some guard), but he has ordinary tools. He is light in the butt and lacks ideal power and overall bulk. He never will dominate the interior as a run blocker. He is pretty athletic but has some trouble redirecting. He has marginal upside."

This is Johnsons....

"Johnson is smart, efficient and extremely hard-working. He has excellent body control, doesn't waste a lot of movement and quickly gets good position at the second level. He is an excellent technician who plays under control and takes great angles to his blocks. He gives every ounce of ability he has. He recognizes defensive schemes and can make offensive line calls. He knows how to pick up stunts and blitzes. He has very good balance, rarely lunges at defenders and can redirect easily against double moves and spin moves. He maintains good position and pad level and won't overreact to movement. He has a quick set, bends his knees and plays with good leverage. He can handle most one-gap penetrators. But Johnson lacks ideal strength and power. He struggles against two-gap tackles and bull rushers. He has problems holding his ground when covered up and can be pushed back into the pocket. He has trouble in short-area fistfight. He won't create much of a push on power runs."

Not a whole lot of difference there. Their negatives are almost identical.

I don't think Leckey "wasn't cutting it" is fair at all he played fairly well last season. Johnson will very likely be the starter because you don't pay a guy top 5 salary for his position and sit him on the bench. Its a shame because I honestly believed Leckey could be our long term answer at Center.

I disagree about Johnson. I think that he has alot of room for improvement, he can still add some weight to his frame. Leckey is one of those guys who wilil always be a great backup because although he doesn't have the tools, he has great tenacity. I think that it Johnson can gain some weight/strength then he has tremendous upside. Also Johnson is better at reading defenses (per the scouting report). Sure, in relation to other players at his position he isn't worth the contract, but so where all players signed this offseason.

BTW, where are you getting the scouting reports? Interesting stuff.
 

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Mitch, Mitch, Mitch.

Why do you insist on depressing me like this?

I have been thinking all of those thoughts for some time now. That was OK though because I know that I can and will be wrong much of the time. When you write things, I (and most of the remainder of the members here) take it as fact. My nightmares just came true. Thanks bud.
 

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8. Ken Whisenhunt says that Terrence Holt was their top rated UFA FS...that he didn't think they had a chance of getting him...and that he is a big, strong FS to play the "physical style of football" we are looking for.

When & where did you hear that?
I read that quote somewhere also.
 

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3. In an effort to save face regarding the extra cap space the Cardinals first inked DT Darnell Dockett to a lucrative long-term contract extension...which incidentally had teammates rolling their eyes in disbelief, when asked about it.

Mitch, where are you getting this info about Dockett's teammates? I don't remember ever reading any negative press about his signing...Did you do your own interviews?
 

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Then the Cardinals signed MLB Gerald Hayes to a lucrative long-term extension. Hayes, who barely saw the field in his first three years with the Cardinals, mostly due to injuries, did turn in a fine campaign at MLB for the Cards in his contract year, that is, until he was lost for the season again come December. While I like Hayes...and actually think he is better suited to play SLB...his injury history with the club makes his re-signing a considerable risk. History does have a habit of repeating itself, particularly with oft-injured players in the NFL...just ask Duane Starks

What is Monty Beisel's contract status? Wasn't he a RFA? I thought he played really well filling in for Hayes and would be a great addition to the team.

If Beisels not still under contract, why not, and who is the backup to Hayes at MLB?
 

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Mitch, where are you getting this info about Dockett's teammates? I don't remember ever reading any negative press about his signing...Did you do your own interviews?

Mike Jurecki reported that stuff about the eye rolling on the radio. FWIW.
 

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I think assuming that we'll be all of a sudden better coached is way premature.

Sorry but I respectfully disagree. There are two areas that were a disaster (1) dbs with Denny's buddy Richard Solomon the coach. He was terrible, in fact Denny was forced to replace him as the db coach in Minnesota and gave him a different postion (I think it was pro personel director or something like that). (2) Additionally, the offensive line coaching has been horrible. The new coach Russ Grimm is one of the best OL coaches in the NFL.
IMO we have a much better coaching staff than we had with Denny's cronies. I think it will make a difference.
 

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I think it will make a difference
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Have we given the trophy back to Pottsville? No? Then it won't make a difference.
 

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This is probably going to scare you Mitch, but i absolutely agree with everything you said, except that i would've kept Big.But not having a plan for replacement does make it that much worse. It's funny how the good front offices like the Pats, Ravens, Broncos are out there trying to improve their team every year. New England does it and always seems to have 2 first round draft picks. We spend our cap on guys like Shipp, Johnson, and Milligan and when we have two first round picks it turns into a complete cluster**** by taking reaches and 2nd-3rd round talent.
 

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The strategy of using roster bonuses instead of signing bonuses is fricking insane. All we are doing is eating up cap space. We have way to many holes to fill to be wasting cap space. Not even trying to sign an OT is starting to piss me off. I guess the coaching staff believes we can be successful with Ross and Wells at tackle. Remember this time last year. Everyone was confident our OL was going to be fine. It looks like we are going to repeat the same mistake.
 

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I agree with you about Dockett. I did not understand why we extend his contract and not Dansby.

As for Gerald Hayes ? What team were you watching last year ? If the Cardinals DIDN'T give this kid a contract extension I think I would have personally gone down to AZ and bitchslapped the Bidwills.

Gerald Hayes is a VERY talented young MLB, in a league were the MLB is becomming harder to find. He is big and strong enought to bang heads with the interior linemen, yet smart, and quick enough to play in coverage.

I like the Holt signing, and I like the Johnson signing.

But I can't agree more that SOLB and OT are glaring needs. Personally I think CB is fine. It could definately improve but it has come a long way since David Barrett and Renaldo Hill.
 
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