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PHOENIX - Forget Jordanesque. Amare Stoudemire is conjuring up names at age 22 that Michael Jordan only could have read about, like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Oscar Robertson and Rick Barry.

Amare Stoudemire is doing things to the San Antonio Spurs and Tim Duncan that are more reminiscent of the battles Wilt Chamberlain had with Bill Russell. Chamberlain may not have been the winner that often, but no one ever could stop him.

"It's becoming, `OK, he got 30. Big deal,''' Suns coach Mike D'Antoni laughed after practice Tuesday. "And against one of the best defensive teams, against maybe the best player in the game.

"This is something you write down, that you don't see very often. You do get yourself taking it for granted. I'm yelling, `More defense,' and my God, look what he's doing.

"You see a lot of (defenders') shoulders sagging. You see a lot of, `I don't know. What do we do now?'''

The Phoenix Suns rose from the ashes after trailing 3-0 in the Western Conference finals with their thrilling 111-106 victory Monday over the San Antonio Spurs. It enabled them to start to feel good about themselves for Game 5 here Wednesday. They have guard and top defender Joe Johnson back, they have got their fast-breaking, frenzied game back.

Because of all that, maybe the Spurs, who lost four straight in the conference semifinals last year, are becoming less sure of themselves.

But amid all the talk during this series, the historic play of Stoudemire at center has been obscured.

"His potential is unlimited," MVP teammate Steve Nash says of the 6-foot-10-inch center. "He can be the next Karl Malone, whoever he wants. He's already pretty close to that. As great as (former teammate Dirk (Nowitzki) was, he was under a lot of pressure to make shot after shot. Amare has the luxury of being a terrific athlete, an unbelievable finisher."

With his fourth consecutive game scoring at least 30 points in the conference finals, Stoudemire moved past Abdul-Jabbar to have the highest average ever for any player in his first conference finals. Abdul-Jabbar averaged 34.2 in the 1970 conference finals; Stoudemire is averaging 35.8 against the Spurs. He now owns the franchise record - and it had been Charles Barkley's_for consecutive 30-plus games in the playoffs. He is now one of seven players, including Robertson, Barry, Abdul-Jabbar, Hakeem Olajuwon, Allen Iverson and Dwyane Wade joining this year, with back-to-back games of at least 35 points in their first conference finals. Against the rugged, defensive-oriented Spurs and Duncan, Stoudemire is averaging a mind-boggling 37 points per game in the regular season and playoffs.

"I've heard him say he wants to be the best ever," Suns' assistant Marc Iavaroni says. "And he loves the stage. The bigger the game, the better performance he has."

For instance, in Game 4 Stoudemire, whom even his biggest admirers admit doesn't share the same enthusiasm for defense as offense, made three classic defensive plays to save the game. First, he stole a rebound from Duncan, then he blocked Duncan at the basket as Duncan was about to dunk and then he chased down the clinching rebound.

Stoudemire isn't a good rebounder for his size and athletic abilities. Still, he's averaging 10.3 per game in the playoffs, almost by accident.

He has developed a reliable jump shot and free throw, shooting 82.5 percent against the Spurs.

He's not the best all-around player in the NBA yet, but you might take him over Kevin Garnett now and the Hall of Fame is filled with players at his position who did far less.

Now, he just has to win.

It probably won't happen this season. But his playoffs coming out party has been something to behold. He has raised his scoring average in every series, scoring 37, 41, 34 and 31 against the Spurs.

"He's a competitor," D'Antoni says. "It's what makes him one of the best in the game. He has developed his shot, he has strength, quickness, balance, big, soft hands. But it's the inner desire. You tell him he can't do something and he'll do it."

Stoudemire is a phenomenon because he shouldn't have been.

There are scores of hard-luck, humble-beginnings stories in the NBA, though few like Stoudemire's.

His father died of a heart attack when he was 12. His mother spent most of his life is prison on various theft convictions. His older brother was in prison on drug charges. He shuffled through a number of guardians and high schools, six different schools in Florida and North Carolina, some set up as virtual basketball fronts. He was ineligible as a junior for shoe deal connections. His senior team was barely .500. That's when he decided to skip college and come to the NBA the year after the Bulls drafted Eddy Curry and Tyson Chandler.

Now he's something of a team leader. It was Stoudemire who slammed the locker room door after the Game 3 loss in San Antonio, one of the Suns' poorest games of the season, and yelled at his teammates: "We are not going to be swept!

"A lot of my friends say once the season is over and I look back and see the accomplishments, I'll be amazed," Stoudemire says.

"(But) I want to get better, learn more. I need to defend better, handle the ball, a lot of things that will help me get where I want to go, to a championship."

Few have profited doubting him.

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when all is said and done - I believe Amare will be looked at as the greatest power forward of all time.

He's sick.
 

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What an incredible gift we've been given as Suns fans, to watch this youngster evolve, and possibly become one of the Greats.
 

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As much as his lack of rebounding and defense piss me off at times, because he could be the best player in the game right now, his potential and ability to learn are scary. His the controlled fury that drives him is what will make him one of the best, he certainly isn't a moron like Kemp. I would be thrilled to see him never leave the Suns.
 

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The Suns need to sign Amare to a long contract after this season. By the way, more teams passed on drafting Amare than they did with Michael Jordan.
 
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I'm glad people get to see the new and improved STAT that we have been watching all this time. I think most people still thought he was just a dunker.
He deserves the accolades that James and Wade are getting. It really annoys me that everyone leaves him out of that group.

I wouldn't give him up for Garnett. Not ever.
 

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Right now KG is better than Amare, because KG is a better outside shooter, defender, rebounder and ball handler. But Amare is more dominant than KG was during his third season and right now Amare is a bigger threat in the low post. Most of all, Amare does not rub his teammates the wrong way like KG does.

But the best is yet to come. :notworthy
 

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George O'Brien said:
Right now KG is better than Amare, because KG is a better outside shooter, defender, rebounder and ball handler. But Amare is more dominant than KG was during his third season and right now Amare is a bigger threat in the low post. Most of all, Amare does not rub his teammates the wrong way like KG does.

But the best is yet to come. :notworthy

half-agree. KG is a better player than amare right now. amare is a more dominant player than KG right now. this is because while amare can't do everything, the things he can do there is nobody in this world that can stop.

Case in point: if you could sub Amare off the Suns right now, right before game 5, and stick in KG (assume immediate cohesiveness with current players), would you do it?

I would not. Amare=wrecking ball. It's not even good enough that he dunks hard, he's gotta do it in yo face.
 

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if you could sub Amare off the Suns right now, right before game 5, and stick in KG (assume immediate cohesiveness with current players), would you do it?

No, I wouldn't even consider it. As great as Garnett is, he's never played in the conference finals. There's no evidence that he can perform at this level.
 

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if you could sub Amare off the Suns right now, right before game 5, and stick in KG (assume immediate cohesiveness with current players), would you do it?

No, I wouldn't even consider it. As great as Garnett is, he's never played in the conference finals. There's no evidence that he can perform at this level.

I think this is ridiculous. In this fantasy scenario, KG brings so much more defensively and more versatility offensively.
 

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In this fantasy scenario, KG brings so much more defensively and more versatility offensively.

Which hasn't translated into playoff success. Don't get me wrong, I think Garnett is great, but at this point you go with what's been proven.
 

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elindholm said:
if you could sub Amare off the Suns right now, right before game 5, and stick in KG (assume immediate cohesiveness with current players), would you do it?

No, I wouldn't even consider it. As great as Garnett is, he's never played in the conference finals. There's no evidence that he can perform at this level.

actually, he has. just last year, in fact. but i'd still take amare.
 

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actually, he has. just last year, in fact. but i'd still take amare.

I guess my memory is bad. I thought that the Wolves lost to the Lakers in the second round last year.

Edit: Just looked it up. Yep, I was wrong, sorry about that. So you can disregard all of my posts in this thread. :p

I don't know which one I'd take.
 
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STAT is sick, everyone in the league knows it. Suns don't get enough credit for the outstanding draft choices they make seemingly year after year. Ok, we did crap out on a couple foriegn players but besides them, look back at the players the Suns have drafted in the past 10+ years and a good number have become legit stars in this league, others have at the very least hung around with teams and have had very productive careers.
 

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Big D said:
STAT is sick, everyone in the league knows it. Suns don't get enough credit for the outstanding draft choices they make seemingly year after year. Ok, we did crap out on a couple foriegn players but besides them, look back at the players the Suns have drafted in the past 10+ years and a good number have become legit stars in this league, others have at the very least hung around with teams and have had very productive careers.


what, you don't think stefano rusconi the self-proclaimed king of dunks was a good pick . . . ?
 

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Now he's something of a team leader. It was Stoudemire who slammed the locker room door after the Game 3 loss in San Antonio, one of the Suns' poorest games of the season, and yelled at his teammates: "We are not going to be swept!

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You gotta love the kid's attitude! :thumbup:
 

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Ouchie-Z-Clown said:
what, you don't think stefano rusconi the self-proclaimed king of dunks was a good pick . . . ?

lol, Remember when we drafted Big Jake, and he was like, "I not scared of Shaq" I foolishly bought into the hype on that one, lol.

Hey who was that European player we had years ago, not sure if we drafted him but all he did was try to dunk everytime he got the ball. He only played during garbage time, he was famous for jumping over a car and dunking in Europe. I think he was SG about 6'6 or so...
 

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lol, Remember when we drafted Big Jake, and he was like, "I not scared of Shaq" I foolishly bought into the hype on that one, lol.

Hey who was that European player we had years ago, not sure if we drafted him but all he did was try to dunk everytime he got the ball. He only played during garbage time, he was famous for jumping over a car and dunking in Europe. I think he was SG about 6'6 or so...

marko milic. he dunked over a vw bug. cheese and i were at his first game. the first time he got the ball, in garbage time he was a one-man fast break. cheese and i were the only one's to stand up as he approached the basket with a defender glued to his side (between him and the rim). he rose up and dunked on the dude w/o a problem. we were laughing our asses off 'cuz as soon as he entered the game we started talking about the vw dunk and everyone around us was incredulous that we even knew who the dude was.
 

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ahh, Milic... that's it. I remember being impressed by his style of play, at the time there were few if any euro/foreign palyers that attacked the basket like he did. Another guy I thought could be good... what ever happened to him?
 

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Alton Ford? Elton? Whatever his name was

Alton Ford was drafted late in the second round. It's very rare to find a keeper there.
 

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elindholm said:
Alton Ford? Elton? Whatever his name was

Alton Ford was drafted late in the second round. It's very rare to find a keeper there.

You are right. Right as I posted that I remembered he was a second round pick.
 

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Of course, the funny part is that whoever we end up drafting at the end of the second round has a pretty good chance of making the team, purely from a numbers standpoint.
 

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