Common knowledge..Marion on the block.

[AmareFan]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap.php

 

[George O'Brien]

This "common knowledge" is based on the fact that Marion was part of the offer for Tracy McGrady. No one has presented any evidence that Marion has been part of any other trade proposal.

Let's face it, T-Mac and Kobe are in a class of their own and it was worth a shot to make an offer. To go from a T-Mac offer to the notion that the Suns are shopping Marion is a major reach.

My understanding is that BC talked to Shawn and explained the situation during the T-Mac discussion, and told Shawnthat they are not shopping him.

 

[Joe Mama]

I agree George. The Suns might be taking calls about Shawn Marion, but I seriously doubt they are out their shopping him around. I think they will sign one or two veteran big men at the minimum and see what they have before they make any moves. IMO that's the right thing to do at this point.

Joe Mama

 

[devilalum]

There's no way the Suns will get a big man of equal quality for Marion.

The last thing they need is another Majerlie for Hot Rod trade.

IMO the Suns offered Marion for TMac so everybody assumes he's on the block. Shawn is defenitely a tradable commodity. He's locked into a contract that as it turns out is quite reasonable and he is a very solid unique player that can help the right team win more games.

The Suns are loaded at 1, 2 and 3. If they can't get a marginal All Star type PF or center for Marion they would be stupid to make a deal.

If you really want to roll the dice on a center for the future how about,

Marion and JJ

for

Jamaal Magloire and ? maybe Mashburn (I don't know enough about his injury)

Several others have metioned a Marion for Magloire trade before but I have always wondered why anybody would think NO would trade maybe the best up and coming center in the league for a 3?

Now Marion and JJ gives NO 2 potential stars for 1 and a ?.

Nash
Q
Mashburn
Amare
Magloire

would be a pretty impressive lineup.

or if that doesn't work how about:

JJ, Chicago pick and Eisley for PJ Brown

I know Eisley is an Albatross but I don't see any other way to make the salaries match.

PJ Brown is exactly what the Suns need. He is a little old but the Suns have enough young players, it wouldn't hurt to add a vet with major attitude.

This trade might interest NO if the want to get younger. Maybe NO thinks PJ Brown is expendable since they have Magloire in the middle?

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

No way. JJ and Marion will not be packaged in a deal together. We may be deep at the 2/3, but we are not THAT deep.

Anyways, there is a decent chance Mash may never play again. Even if he does, he had 1 good year. Otherwise it has always been health issues, or attitude problems with this guy.

I would like Magloire, but definitely not at that price.



The chance that we move Marion or JJ are minimal. I definitely don't think it is a necessary deal, and I would rather go in with on of the deepest/best swing rotations in the league, then break it up for a mediocre center.

People need to realize you can't just trade for a great big man. You have to draft them, or steal them away in FA. We could trade for a mediocre one, but why give away one of our best players to do so?

 

[AmareFan]

I agree, there are no great centers out there...and Dampier is not the answer..this guy is mediocre at best, one great year does not make him a "must have" at any cost...keep Marion and sign a lesser quality big man for this year.

 

[JCSunsfan]

There's no way the Suns will get a big man of equal quality for Marion.

The last thing they need is another Majerlie for Hot Rod trade.


Nash
Q
Mashburn
Amare
Magloire

would be a pretty impressive lineup.

or if that doesn't work how about:

JJ, Chicago pick and Eisley for PJ Brown

I don't think that lineup is impressive at all. It lacks depth in the front court without JJ, and Mashburn is a bigger hole as a starter at the 3 than Voshkul is as the starter at the 5.

Magloire is an all-star--but he is in the East. He's proven himself about as much as Dampier or Dalembert.

I could--just maybe--swallow a Dampier for Marion trade, but I would also want a decent swing player included the return package--someone who could be a quality backup as a 3-4 or a 2-3.

To me, the most likely thing is to sign a player like Hunter, and maybe take a flyer on Zo. A straight up Eisley for Zo trade would work, and NJ probably needs some insurance and pg. I know Eisley's contract is bad and all, but he does actually play. NJ would have to pay Zo anyway.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

I could--just maybe--swallow a Dampier for Marion trade, but I would also want a decent swing player included the return package--someone who could be a quality backup as a 3-4 or a 2-3.

I hate to put this in multiple threads, but oh well. The more I think about Eric's initial trade with Marion and Lafrentz, the more I think it could work out. If Lafrentz is healthy, a Raef/Welsch/min deal for Marion works under the cap.


The health is a big issue too. Not to mention the PR hit we would take immediately following the trade.

 

[George O'Brien]

I hate to put this in multiple threads, but oh well. The more I think about Eric's initial trade with Marion and Lafrentz, the more I think it could work out. If Lafrentz is healthy, a Raef/Welsch/min deal for Marion works under the cap.

The health is a big issue too. Not to mention the PR hit we would take immediately following the trade.

The simple truth is that the Celtic don't move LaFrentz unless they are concerned about his health. Marion may have his flaws, but he has pretty durable. Also, even healthy, LaFrentz is not THE ANSWER on defense.

 

[devilalum]

You all complain every day about not having a center but when I suggest a way the Suns can get possibly the best young center in the game you blink.

If the Suns could get Magloire for Marion and JJ I bet they'd do it in a second.

Good 2's and 3's are SO much easier to find or acquire than good 4's and 5's.

JJ is an enigma. He may have turned the corner or he may go back into his shell with Q onboard. I think Marion is a fantastic player but you can't get something for nothing.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

You all complain every day about not having a center but when I suggest a way the Suns can get possibly the best young center in the game you blink.

If the Suns could get Magloire for Marion and JJ I bet they'd do it in a second.

Good 2's and 3's are SO much easier to find or acquire than good 4's and 5's.

JJ is an enigma. He may have turned the corner or he may go back into his shell with Q onboard. I think Marion is a fantastic player but you can't get something for nothing.

Personally, I rarely, if ever complain about not having a center. I sometimes look for different alternatives, but I do not think we should go all out for it.

The Suns would never trade Marion and JJ for Magloire. I don't think 90% of the GMs in the league would do it in BC's place either.

 

[George O'Brien]

I'd love to get Magloire, but I don't think anyone believes he is more valuable than T-Mac. If the Suns wouldn't do Marion and Johnson for T-Mac, what makes you think they would do it for Magloire?

 

[Gaddabout]

In February 1988, the Suns used All-Star forward Larry Nance, Mike Sanders, and a future 1st-round pick to get a backup rookie point guard (Kevin Johnson), a backup center (Mark West), a backup swingman (Tyrone Corbin) and a 1st- and 2nd-round pick (Dan Majerle and Andrew Lang). People were *pissed* and were sure the miserable, sinking Suns would be unwatchable without Nance's highlights. The next season the Suns had one of the most dramatic turnarounds in NBA history. People quickly forgot about Nance (and even forgave the Suns for drafting Tim Perry over Rony Seikaly).

First, Marion is not Nance. He's not a 6-10 pogo stick. If he were, he'd have more value. Still, Marion's situation is not totally unlike Nance's. He's the most reliable player on what was a really bad team. There's a deal out there to be had, and I would not be shocked or disappointed if the Suns pull the trigger on a deal that involved him.

 

[scudney]

I'd love to get Magloire, but I don't think anyone believes he is more valuable than T-Mac. If the Suns wouldn't do Marion and Johnson for T-Mac, what makes you think they would do it for Magloire?

Magloire more valuable than T-Mac is debatable, but I definately think Magloire is more valuable to the Suns than T-Mac. I would not trade Marion & JJ for T-Mac, but I would trade JJ & Marion for Magloire in a heartbeat.

You guys might think I'm crazy, but I'm very high on Magloire. IMO, Magloire is the only PF/C I would trade Marion for (except the obvious superstars).

 

[George O'Brien]

As much as I like Magloire, I wouldn't go higher than the Marion and maybe Casey for him. Magloire is solid, but he is not a franchise center. I'm not even sure he would be a great fit with Amare and for the price of Marion and JJ, he'd need to be.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Magloire more valuable than T-Mac is debatable, but I definately think Magloire is more valuable to the Suns than T-Mac. I would not trade Marion & JJ for T-Mac, but I would trade JJ & Marion for Magloire in a heartbeat.

I don't even know what to say to this.......

Magloire was alright. He was an allstar in the big man deprived west. He isn't a star center, nor will he ever be. TMAC is a top 7 player in the league.

 

[NJYAJ09]

I don't even know what to say to this.......

Magloire was alright. He was an allstar in the big man deprived west. He isn't a star center, nor will he ever be. TMAC is a top 7 player in the league.

I agree... Magloire is so overrated.

 

[George O'Brien]

I agree... Magloire is so overrated.

I'm not sure I'd go that far. I think Magloire is a top ten center, but not top five. He's not the offensive threat of Shaq or Yao nor the defensive presence of Wallace. His stats are quite good, but not dominant. He is simply not in the same class as T-Mac

T-Mac for all his faults is probably the second best wing player in the NBA.

2000-01 26.8 ppg 45.7% shooting 7.5 rpg
2001-02 25.6 ppg 45.1% shooting 7.9 rpg
2002-03 32.1 ppg 45.7% shooting 6.5 rpg
2003-04 28.0 ppg 41.7% shooting 6.0 rpg

McGrady did not have a very good supporting cast last season and the Magic really missed Armstrong at PG, but he still put up pretty good numbers. I'm not sure he will get the same opportunities to shoot in Houston, but that won't change his super star status.

 

[devilalum]

I'm not sure I'd go that far. I think Magloire is a top ten center, but not top five. He's not the offensive threat of Shaq or Yao nor the defensive presence of Wallace. His stats are quite good, but not dominant. He is simply not in the same class as T-Mac

You may be right but he doesn't have a debilitating back condition either and he plays CENTER.

You named 2 CENTERS that are better than Magloire. You said no way he's top 5, name 3 more.

Like I said before I've read hundreds of posts about the need for a legit center but nobody seems willing to do what it takes to get one.

Somebody said the only way to get a franchise center is to draft one (this has worked well?) or sign one away from somebody. There is a third way and that is to make a trade that many will see as one sided. If the Suns did trade Marion and JJ for Magloire I guarantee they'd find a good swing man to replace them before the start of next season. (the Suns are great at this) If they don't pull the trigger on a trade for a real center I guarantee we'll all still be talking about their need for a legit center this time again next year.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Shaq. Ming. Miller.

Damp was better statistically.

So was Illgauskas.

Ben Wallace is better.

Theo Ratliff and Marcus Camby are better.





Magloire looked good last year, but he isn't worth even near what you are suggesting.

 

[slinslin]

Shaq, Yao, Miller, Camby, Ratliff, Ilgauskas are 6 that are likely better than Magloire. Maybe Dampier based on last season. Kwame Brown, Tyson Chandler, Eddy Curry and Darko Milicic in the future.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

There is also a good chance Dalembert in the near future will be better.

 

[slinslin]

Yeah Curry, Chandler, Brown, Milicic, Dalembert are basically the only centers I would consider because at least they have a chance to be really special players still.

Shaq and Yao can't be had and the only other center that might be worth Marion in my opinion is Brad Miller.

 

[Biclops]

Yeah Curry, Chandler, Brown, Milicic, Dalembert are basically the only centers I would consider because at least they have a chance to be really special players still.

Dont forget our very own Lampe

 

[devilalum]

How can you count Ratliff and Camby? The worst player to have is one that rarely plays. These 2 are both chronically injured.

Big Ben is not a center.

Curry, Chandler, Brown, Milicic, Dalembert no way, if 2 of these guys turns out to be good I'll be shocked. Anyway potential doesn't count.

Shaq, Yao, Miller that's it.

Dampier

Illgauskas, (see Camby, Ratliff)