Comparing McAddley to Andre Johnson

[Ryanwb]

First off let me say that I was really impressed by McAddley last season. He was able to go up and catch some of those ducks that Jake threw and took the ball right from the defender in a few situations. Let compare Jason's stats at the combine to that of Andre Johnson in his personal workouts

Jason's stats 6-1, 203 lbs

4.47 in the 40-yard dash … 2.58 in the 20-yard dash … 1.59 in the 10-yard dash … 4.09 in the 20-yard shuttle … 6.83 in the three-cone drill … 36.5-inch vertical jump … 10 feet, 3 inches in the broad jump … 31 1/8-inch arm length … 8 ½-inch hands … Right-handed.

Andre Johnson: 6-1, 224 lbs

Johnson was timed at between 4.42-4.48, according to three scouts, in his first 40-yard dash. On the second, he ran between 4.37-4.40, scouts said. He also recorded a 41-inch vertical jump, a long jump of 10-feet, 9-inches, and a time of about 4.10 seconds in the short shuttle drill

McAddley's 40 time is very comparable to that of Johnson, and McAddley actually beat him in the short shuttle drill. Of course the vertical leaping ability of Johnson is superior. If McAddley can add some muscle to his frame much the way Boston did, I think he can be a very servicable wide out in this league

 

[Ed B]

They're both black.

Other than that, there is absolutely no similarity at all.

 

[az643dp]

I think McAddley will be a good receiver in this league. He needs to work on concentration...catch the ball before you try to make moves. He got ahead of himself a bit last year, but I don't think he will have a problem adjusting.

 

[RLakin]

Originally posted by Ed B
They're both black.

Other than that, there is absolutely no similarity at all.

Yeah, I was going to start a thread similar to this with Preston Parsons and Carson Palmer.

Parsons rhymes with Carson's.

That's about it.

No, there are some interesting points here w/ McAddley and Johnson. I would have to say though that Johnson is a #1 guy in the NFL and McAddley, if he works hard, can be a #2. McAddley was a good find, though, for the 5th round and he could even line up next to Johnson for the Cards next season.

 

[Stout]

Looking what McAddley did last year as a rookie fifth-rounder, on a putrid offense, with a stiff QB, I'll go out on a limb and say he can be a #1 WR in this league...maybe even a star. He's got the speed. He's got the desire. Does he have the hands and the smarts? Don't know quite yet. Round drafted doesn't matter. What he did in college doesn't either. Btw, what round was Jerry Rice drafted? Something tells me it was late.

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by Stout
Looking what McAddley did last year as a rookie fifth-rounder, on a putrid offense, with a stiff QB, I'll go out on a limb and say he can be a #1 WR in this league...maybe even a star. He's got the speed. He's got the desire. Does he have the hands and the smarts? Don't know quite yet. Round drafted doesn't matter. What he did in college doesn't either. Btw, what round was Jerry Rice drafted? Something tells me it was late.

I agree with hard work there is no reason this guy couldnt become a #1 in this league. He definately has the physical skills!

 

[RLakin]

Originally posted by Stout
Btw, what round was Jerry Rice drafted? Something tells me it was late.

1st round 16th overall in 85.'

 

[General Chaos]

McAddley reminds me more of a Peerless Price than anyone. He is quick, and has adequate size. I think he will be a good playmaker, but this team needs someone that has some experience. The cards youngn's need a mentor.

 

[Second Deck]

I should not start this again but I will bet Jake has a higher QB rating at the end of 8 games than whoever is the starting QB for the Cards.

With all the film they have on the players in the draft. I would think the combine numbers would be of limited use when evaluating the top level talent. I would want to see a WR who can go up and take the ball away from a defender and be able to create space.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by Stout
Looking what McAddley did last year as a rookie fifth-rounder, on a putrid offense, with a stiff QB, I'll go out on a limb and say he can be a #1 WR in this league...maybe even a star. He's got the speed. He's got the desire. Does he have the hands and the smarts? Don't know quite yet. Round drafted doesn't matter. What he did in college doesn't either. Btw, what round was Jerry Rice drafted? Something tells me it was late.

First round and guess which team among many passed on him?

Rice was well known during his senior year in college he was a totally different case than McAddley.

I like Jason, I agree #2 probably not #1, but I like him he's got the ability to get separation he's just raw on other things. Johnson is raw too he's just a superior athlete much like Boston without the polish.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Rowland Price
I should not start this again but I will bet Jake has a higher QB rating at the end of 8 games than whoever is the starting QB for the Cards.

With all the film they have on the players in the draft. I would think the combine numbers would be of limited use when evaluating the top level talent. I would want to see a WR who can go up and take the ball away from a defender and be able to create space.

Geebus! Why can't you apologist just shut up about loser Fake Dummer? He is gone! We've had to go through these stupid Jake arguments for years, and now that he is gone we need to put them to rest!

 

[JeffGollin]

Stat-wise they compare.

But the NFL isn't a gymnastics tourney.

How do Johnson and McAddley compare:

- Catching in a crowd.

- Avoiding the jam at the LOS

- Going over the middle

- Running crisp routes

- Selling their fakes

- Reading pockets in zones

The Combine isn't going to tell you that.

I like McAddley. I think he made great strides. But there's a lot of room for him to become lots more consistent.

Because Johnson played for a major college program with a genuine passing attack, it was easier for fans to see him on TV in action on a real football field. He seems like the real deal.

Has McAddley caught up to Johnson in receiving skills? Hard to say. Has McAddley progressed far enough so that the Cards can make him their #1 dude and not draft Johnson? That's why they pay Sully the big bucks.

 

[Stout]

Originally posted by RLakin
1st round 16th overall in 85.'

Ah, I knew I should have looked it up. I know there've been a lot of steals late in the draft, just mistakenly thought he was one. Oh well. Sorry about that.

 

[kerouac9]

I think that McAddley and Andre Johnson are similar in their skills at this point. Andre is not ready at this time to be a #1 WR in the NFL. He has tremendous physical skills, which gives him more upside than McAddley, but he still needs a lot of coaching in how to play reciever, because right now he just knows how to be a great athlete.

Johnson has a lot of upside, a lot. But I wouldn't expect him to make more of a contribution in 2003 than Donte Stallworth or Josh Reed did. The Pro game is so much bigger than the NCAA, especially for Wideouts. I can't remember a WR to make an impact his rookie season since Randy Moss.

 

[Skkorpion]

The knock on Andre Johnson is that he runs lousy patterns and has lousy hands. No way I waste a first round pick on a project. NFL benches are full of WRs who can't catch.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I think that McAddley and Andre Johnson are similar in their skills at this point. Andre is not ready at this time to be a #1 WR in the NFL. He has tremendous physical skills, which gives him more upside than McAddley, but he still needs a lot of coaching in how to play reciever, because right now he just knows how to be a great athlete.

Johnson has a lot of upside, a lot. But I wouldn't expect him to make more of a contribution in 2003 than Donte Stallworth or Josh Reed did. The Pro game is so much bigger than the NCAA, especially for Wideouts. I can't remember a WR to make an impact his rookie season since Randy Moss.

Interesting...

 

[Ed B]

Originally posted by Skkorpion
The knock on Andre Johnson is that he runs lousy patterns and has lousy hands. No way I waste a first round pick on a project. NFL benches are full of WRs who can't catch.

Lousy routes I'll agree with. Lousy hands, I don't see.

And name me a WR who comes out of college running crisp routes.

 

[RonF]

Normally, you don't use a first round pick on a receiver, at least not this year. For a player like Rice, yes you do, but not normally. We know that one area of strength for the Cardinals is coaching for the receivers. Sullivan is one of the best. We don't have to have all-pro receivers, just good receivers that know how to run routes and what to do before and after catching the ball. This isn't exactly rocket science, but we do need a QB that can get the ball to them also.

 

[Harpo]

40yd 20yd shuttle 3cone vert broad jump
Mcaddley 71 receptions for 1,020 yards (college)
6"1' 203lbs 4.47 4.09 6.83 36.5 10'3"



Johnson 92 receptions for 1,831 (college)
6"1' 224lbs 4.44(avg) 4.10 (all hand timed) 41 10'9"


? 157 receptions for 1,974yds (college)
6" 199lbs 4.44 3.73 6.56 43.5 10'6"

While we are comparing apples to oranges, who is the ? mark with the better vert, shuttle, and 3 cone #s.

 

[Zeno]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I can't remember a WR to make an impact his rookie season since Randy Moss.

Chris Chambers had a pretty good rookie year 2 seasons ago, he was the Dolphins best WR that season.

While I concede that WR is a need for the Cardinals it is not more of a need than DE, DT or CB. I am not sold on Andre Johnson and think that a good WR can be found in the third round or later.

There are also bound to be some good Free Agent WRs who become available after June 1st although the Cardinals honestly can't count on that.