Man, he is pathetic out there.
Conor Jackson is the worst defensive 1b I've seen in a long time
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He's not that bad usually but he's having a horrific off game. 1 of his 2 mental errors (although only one of them actually counts as an error) has really hurt
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He's not pathetic but he'll never win a gold glove. I wonder if Webb is pissed with his play tonight?
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Thanks for your input. Is this the first game you've watched? He is not a solid defensive 1B but he is not "pathetic." He has made several good plays this year and Tony Clark is not much of an improvement. We would have many more losses if he were not on this team. He's a 24 year old rookie for gods sake and will only improve. I hope an administrator deletes this thread
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I agree that Jackson's defense this year has not been "pathetic" (especially for a rookie), but Clark's defense is still miles ahead.devilfan02 said:
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He is pathetic, spin it how you want, obviously you are a member of his fan club.
He is a good hitter, going to get better.....but the plays he makes, or rather, doesn't make, on a nightly basis are unbearable. Yes, he's made a good play or two......but those are far overshadowed by his overall ineptness.
Tony Clark isn't much of an improvement? Do YOU watch baseball?
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Yeah, he definitely sucks but this is only his second year playing the position. If Ryan Howard can become a serviceable 1B then so can CoJack.
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How could he not be? It's a team sport, and the team will take blame for a loss(if it happens), but the guy just let down the team ace. Big time.
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You obviously don't watch any games if you label his D as pathetic. Is he a good defender? No, but he is improving. As I said before, Tony Clark is not that much of an improvement defensively and if you think so your kidding yourself. He is a little better and thats it. Of course I'm a fan of CoJacks but to say the plays he makes/ doesn't make on a nightly basis are unbearable is rediculous. An example of a pathetic defensive 1B plays for the other team (Ryan Howard). Look up the stats and then tell me Jackson's pathetic. I'd call him average at best, far from pathetic
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding?groupId=9
Now you just aren't being objective. Jackson may not lead the league in errors, but the amount of plays he doesn't make by not positioning himself correctly, not being where he needs to and having extremely poor range is costing pitchers too many extra pitches, it wears on everyone.
Tony Clark is to Conor Jackson as Ozzie Smith is to Alex Cintron.
Tony Clark is to Conor Jackson as Ozzie Smith is to Alex Cintron.
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Since when does having a a high fielding percentage have anything to do with playing good defense? It does not account for range or awareness or any other factors other than not making errors that makes a good defensive player. Even professional statisticians have yet to find a widely accepted metric for defense.
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The Dbacks have the classic arrangement. leather up the middle and hitting on the corners. If we're going to have to live with his crappy D then he's gonna have to put up monster numbers at the plate.
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Conor IS pathetic defensively, however he was never highly regarded as a good leatherman anyhow. Hopefully, as others have said, if Ryan Howard (who in his minor league career may as well have been playing with his bare hands for as sloppy as he was) can be made servicable, so too can CoJack.
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On a related note Barry Bonds, Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz are all "Pathetic" at their respective defensive positions....
I think i would take their bats in the lineup however....
1B is known as a position where you throw a guy if he can mash but has little defensive ability. CoJack (by the way Mao and DFan - I have copyrighted that nickname and have exclusive rights of its use
) Dude was a outfielder for much of his baseball life. I will take a couple errors over there if we have the next Manny on our hands......
I think i would take their bats in the lineup however....
1B is known as a position where you throw a guy if he can mash but has little defensive ability. CoJack (by the way Mao and DFan - I have copyrighted that nickname and have exclusive rights of its use
) Dude was a outfielder for much of his baseball life. I will take a couple errors over there if we have the next Manny on our hands......That's quite an if.....
He played 3B at Cal.Arizona's Finest said:
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He can't field now because he's as old as God. But in his day the guy was 5 tool all the way. He could rake and make great plays. Now he can't really do either.
I don't think anyone is promoting getting rid of Jackson, or benching him, just venting frustration w/ his defensive lapses. I'm sure you hope for him to improve at 1B as well (and lets also hope Twad Twacy improves defensively at 3rd).
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I can overlook a lot of those defensive inadequacies if continues to blossom in to one of the elite contact hitters in baseball, like he's capable of doing.
Same can be said for Tracy, who at this point by FAR has made up for his defensive inadequacies. In an average game with 27 batters, I'd say 5 or 6 hits are slapped in the direction of the 1st or 3rd basemen. As long as they don't epically embarrass themselves on the field, I can live with them not playing at a Gold Glove level if they continue to hit. It also doesn't hurt having good glovemen like Orlando Hudson and Craig Counsell, or vets in the OF like Green and Byrnes around to help out.
Same can be said for Tracy, who at this point by FAR has made up for his defensive inadequacies. In an average game with 27 batters, I'd say 5 or 6 hits are slapped in the direction of the 1st or 3rd basemen. As long as they don't epically embarrass themselves on the field, I can live with them not playing at a Gold Glove level if they continue to hit. It also doesn't hurt having good glovemen like Orlando Hudson and Craig Counsell, or vets in the OF like Green and Byrnes around to help out.
By and large, Cojack's lapses have been mental lapses, not physical mistakes. Chad Tracy's errors have been mostly physical problems like throwing too hard when there is no play to be made, or throwing high because he didn't get his feet set.
I think Cojack will improve over time but I'm not sure about Tracy. Chad is uptight mentally and a little stiff and muscle-bound.
I think Cojack will improve over time but I'm not sure about Tracy. Chad is uptight mentally and a little stiff and muscle-bound.
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Point taken. But still a much different position. And he has spent his almost his entire pro career in the outfield i believe. I'm just saying i see alot in the kids approach and swing i like and we are an NL team. This is just how baseball is played. Like the post earlier said, you have defense up the middle and power on the corners. I like CoJack enough that i think he is a "Manny Ramirez type player" (Coincidentally i felt Overbay was a similar type hitter) in that he has power to the gaps, swings at his pitch and gets guys in from scoring position. His power will develop but there is alot to like right now.
I hope Tracy's power and discipline develops so that we get good production out of both corners for years to come. Then we bring on Drew and thats one hell of an infield. I think we keep Hudson long term to serve as vet presence and reliable D. He's only 28 too i believe.
I give Byrnes alot of credit because he has not produced wins cosmetically. He has a plan, and even with limited resources he can get it done.
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Well Cojack cost the team 3 more tonight. If he makes the play on a relatively routine ground ball the Dbacks get out of the inning down 3 nothing instead of 6.
Man he is frustrating.
