Curry Struggling

[George O'Brien]

It was the Pistons' 56-35 edge in rebounding, including a 24-9 advantage on the offensive boards, that stuck out.

"You have to want the ball,'' Pippen said. "Right now, we're not playing hard enough to want to win games. That's not a good sign for us.''

Pippen should have sent a few beers Eddy Curry's way. The struggling center played just 14 minutes, missed all three of his field-goal attempts, and was booed again with 6:30 left in the fourth after Elden Campbell broke free for a slam.

It's become so bad, opposing coaches are showing more pity than fear for Curry.

"I feel for Eddy Curry,'' Detroit coach Larry Brown said. "It's tough being at home and being a young kid like that. It's not easy for young, big kids [to develop]. It takes time.''

Curry said he tries to ignore the fan reaction, but it's obvious his confidence is wavering.

Chicago Sun Times

 

[Chaplin]

Would it be worth it to try to figure out a trade of Jahidi for Curry and players? Perhaps Jahidi, and the NY pick for Curry and Jamal Crawford (since Hinrich seems to be taking up all the time).

Of course, that does impact our cap number. Curry has 2 years left on his deal (about half of what Jahidi makes) and Crawford has one year left (just a little less than Curry).

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by Chaplin
Would it be worth it to try to figure out a trade of Jahidi for Curry and players? Perhaps Jahidi, and the NY pick for Curry and Jamal Crawford (since Hinrich seems to be taking up all the time).

I do not think that CHI would consider this deal.
Curry for NYK's pick+ filler but they probably would demand PHO's pick, IMO.

 

[hcsilla]

Curry, Gill, Brunson for White, NYK's 2004 pick works under the cap.
I would do this deal, I'm not sure if also CHI would.

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by hcsilla
Curry, Gill, Brunson for White, NYK's 2004 pick works under the cap.
I would do this deal, I'm not sure if also CHI would.

Way too expensive. Unless Curry has a total change in productivity, it means the Suns are giving up a lottery pick for just $2 million in cap space. Unless you can do it for the Cleveland pick or the future NYK pick, it is a huge gamble on a guy who may be years away (if ever) from doing much.

 

[hcsilla]

I still wonder if Curry's (no pressure) breakout-months at the end of the last season were similar to Tsakalidis' at the end of the 2001-2002 season.
I think that he has a real talent so CHI would ask a lot for him which means much more than a future (who knows when) mid 1st rounder.
You can acquire Courtney Alexander for a mid 1st rounder but not the most promising C prospect of the last years (except Ming).

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by hcsilla
I still wonder if Curry's (no pressure) breakout-months at the end of the last season were similar to Tsakalidis' at the end of the 2001-2002 season.
I think that he has a real talent so CHI would ask a lot for him which means much more than a future (who knows when) mid 1st rounder.
You can acquire Courtney Alexander for a mid 1st rounder but not the most promising C prospect of the last years (except Ming).

The only way Curry gets moved is if the Bulls give up on him. I'm not inclined to overpay for a player who is deemed a failure by his former team.

 

[slinslin]

He started today. 10pts 3reb 1ast in the first quarter against the Knicks so far.

Wouldn't mind trading our first rounder for Kwame, Curry or Chandler.

 

[F-Dog]

The real problem with trading for Curry is re-signing him--if you're not willing to pay him the max, there's no point in trading for him in the first place.


Kwame interests me, but again, more as a potential FA than a trade target. Like Curry, it will take a max offer (or close to it at least) to get Kwame's name on the dotted line after next season.


Tyson Chandler's back problems are tough for me to ignore when I imagine the Suns signing him to a big, long-term contract.

 

[slinslin]

19pts 4reb 2ast for Curry at the half.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by F-Dog

Kwame interests me, but again, more as a potential FA than a trade target. Like Curry, it will take a max offer (or close to it at least) to get Kwame's name on the dotted line after next season.

You actually think Eddy Curry and Kwame Brown will command max or close-to-max offers? Curry I could see MAYBE, but Brown??

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Kwame Brown will be lucky to get a mid level exception. I imagine he will sign a one year deal somewhere to prove himself.

 

[F-Dog]

Originally posted by Chaplin


You actually think Eddy Curry and Kwame Brown will command max or close-to-max offers? Curry I could see MAYBE, but Brown??

I think they will both demand max offers from the team that owns their rights, and if that team doesn't come through, they'll sign with whatever teams offer them the most $$$. If that's the case, trading for one of those guys right now is the same as renting him for the next one or two years--not a worthwhile use of assets and roster space.

The Clippers were able to make the RFA rule work for them last summer, but I still don't trust it. I guess in 2005 I'll see whether my instincts on this are correct...

 

[slinslin]

Originally posted by Chris_Sanders
Kwame Brown will be lucky to get a mid level exception. I imagine he will sign a one year deal somewhere to prove himself.

Kwame is playing nice basketball and very good defense.

You would be foolish to think that an young athletic strong 7' guy wouldn't get more than the MLE.

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by slinslin
Kwame is playing nice basketball and very good defense.

You would be foolish to think that an young athletic strong 7' guy wouldn't get more than the MLE.

The rap on K Brown is that he does not have great hands. This would limit his upside because the size and strength of an inside guy's hands plays a big role in how effective he can eventually become.

It is a major limitation for both Voskuhl and White. Voskuhl gets the ball stripped after rebounding far to often for me to ever be totally in love with his play. White has much bigger hands, but they are "hard" and bounce off them too often.

I don't know if playes can be taught to have better hands. If they could, then maybe K Brown would be worth a deal, but otherwise I would not pay more than mid cap.

 

[Joe Mama]

Originally posted by George O'Brien
The rap on K Brown is that he does not have great hands. This would limit his upside because the size and strength of an inside guy's hands plays a big role in how effective he can eventually become.

It is a major limitation for both Voskuhl and White. Voskuhl gets the ball stripped after rebounding far to often for me to ever be totally in love with his play. White has much bigger hands, but they are "hard" and bounce off them too often.

I don't know if playes can be taught to have better hands. If they could, then maybe K Brown would be worth a deal, but otherwise I would not pay more than mid cap.

I remember reading that about Kwame Brown while ago. The writer was was saying that Michael Jordan should have known the second he met him and shook hands that it would be a problem. They are that small apparently. That's one of the things the Suns loved about Amare Stoudemire. They said he has monsters sized hands. They also talked about Cabarkapa's big hands. There must be some real egos in that locker room.

Joe Mama

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by Joe Mama
I remember reading that about Kwame Brown while ago. The writer was was saying that Michael Jordan should have known the second he met him and shook hands that it would be a problem. They are that small apparently. That's one of the things the Suns loved about Amare Stoudemire. They said he has monsters sized hands. They also talked about Cabarkapa's big hands. There must be some real egos in that locker room.

Joe Mama

One of the articles written about Dwight Howard compared him to K Brown, but made the point that Howard has great hands.

 

[George O'Brien]

After the reports that Curry was in Skiles dog house, he had a good game against the Knicks:

20 points, 9-13 from the field, 10 rebounds, 2 blocked shots (but he did have 6 turnovers = ouch).

Of course, his game against the Pistons on Tuesday was horrible: 0-3 from the field and only 2 rebounds in 14 minutes.

 

[NugzFan]

Originally posted by Chaplin
Would it be worth it to try to figure out a trade of Jahidi for Curry and players? Perhaps Jahidi, and the NY pick for Curry and Jamal Crawford (since Hinrich seems to be taking up all the time).

wow...i cant believe you actually posted that deal.

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by NugzFan
wow...i cant believe you actually posted that deal.

I was thinking more along the lines of White for Curry plus some guys with contracts expiring this year. At worst, Curry is about $2 million less expensive next season than White even if all he does is the same sort of things.

The real issue is what it would take in terms of draft picks to do te deal. I'd rather use the NY pick to move up in the draft.
The Cleveland pick is unlikely to be available (what else is new) and it is unclear how valuable the second NY pick is.

It seems likely the Suns would have to give up the NY pick to get Curry and that is way too much to get $2 million in cap room. It only makes sense if the Suns think he could be the sort of star the Bulls thought he would be when they drafted him. I haven't seen enough of him to know and I get really worried about players with a rep for being lazy.