D-Backs and Pirates Series Thread

[Brian]

I think you missed the terrible joke that I was making. No, I don't see many Dsnacks games, but I am not seeing what that has to do with much. I guess I see why Dbacks fans are mad, but I am not so sure about getting mad at pitcher for pitching inside to set up the low and aways or whatever.

As for the rest, I agree with what you say.

I only asked because in every Goldy at bat, time after time, pitch after pitch you see the other teams catcher set up low and away. It is the percieved hole in Goldy's swing.

Any time I see a catcher set up anywhere else I get excited because good things are about to happen. I almost never see a catcher set up inside to him.

The whole thing was a train wreck from the word go. Goldy had the day off because he was starting to really struggle lately. Gibby put him in at the top of the ninth because I believe at that time it was tied or a one run game and Goldy was sure to get an AB in the bottom of the ninth. I disagreed with that move because I wanted Goldy to get an actual, complete day off. The results of that game looking at the bigger picture was meaningless.

Gibby had no idea the bullpen was going to puke it away in the top of the ninth which in turn was going to make Goldy's AB meaningless.

 

[Mulli]

I only asked because in every Goldy at bat, time after time, pitch after pitch you see the other teams catcher set up low and away. It is the percieved hole in Goldy's swing.

Any time I see a catcher set up anywhere else I get excited because good things are about to happen. I almost never see a catcher set up inside to him.

The whole thing was a train wreck from the word go. Goldy had the day off because he was starting to really struggle lately. Gibby put him in at the top of the ninth because I believe at that time it was tied or a one run game and Goldy was sure to get an AB in the bottom of the ninth. I disagreed with that move because I wanted Goldy to get an actual, complete day off. The results of that game looking at the bigger picture was meaningless.

Gibby had no idea the bullpen was going to puke it away in the top of the ninth which in turn was going to make Goldy's AB meaningless.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Honest question: Do you even watch D-Backs games? I only ask because your comments on here lead me to believe you don't.

Every pitcher in MLB pitches to Goldy down and away nearly 90% of the time. I very rarely see any pitcher pitch Goldy inside because he has proven those balls are going 400 feet out to left field.

No, if you are up 5 after the first you are obviously not obliged to stop pitching inside. If you are up 5-1 with one out in the bottom of the ninth and the catcher sets up inside and the end result is that you break the hand of the other teams star player you can bet your sweet ass that your star player is going to get drilled.

I believe the result of Frieri's pitch was an accident and unintentional. Pitching inside to Goldy in that scenario was an unnecessary risk. It was pointless.

Either way, Goldy got drilled so McCutchen got drilled. It should be over.

I still wish it was Martin that got hit. Can't stand that guy.

Well said.

 

[Mulli]

This is from last year:

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[82CardsGrad]

I only asked because in every Goldy at bat, time after time, pitch after pitch you see the other teams catcher set up low and away. It is the percieved hole in Goldy's swing.

Any time I see a catcher set up anywhere else I get excited because good things are about to happen. I almost never see a catcher set up inside to him.

The whole thing was a train wreck from the word go. Goldy had the day off because he was starting to really struggle lately. Gibby put him in at the top of the ninth because I believe at that time it was tied or a one run game and Goldy was sure to get an AB in the bottom of the ninth. I disagreed with that move because I wanted Goldy to get an actual, complete day off. The results of that game looking at the bigger picture was meaningless.

Gibby had no idea the bullpen was going to puke it away in the top of the ninth which in turn was going to make Goldy's AB meaningless.

You nailed it again... The game was tied heading into the top of the 9th. And while it would've been ideal to have given Goldy a complete day off, I can see the logic in putting him in at first base in the top of the 9th, both for defensive purposes and to ensure he got an at-bat in the bottom of the 9th.
But as you said, little did we know the pen would cough up 5 runs in the top of the 9th. A someone suggested here, Gibby could've sat Goldy back down and allowed for a pinch hitter, however, I think Gibby would've been obliterated for that type of move. The reality is that, regardless of the 5 runs being scored, once Godly was put into the lineup in the top of the 9th, he was going to bat, period... And, in keeping with Dbacks bad karma, he gets hit on the wrist and is out for the rest of the season... only to be outdone by the Dbacks waiting too long to retaliate... Uggghhhhh....

 

[Iceman]

This is from last year:

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Interesting. So he doesn't like the pitches inside!!

 

[Brian]

This is from last year:

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Two things that chart doesn't speak to.

One: It proves my point. Look at his average when he is pitched to on the inner third. Not off the plate inside but the inner third.

Two: It doesn't show how many pitches are thrown into what quandrant. I'm telling you almost all of them are in the lower, outside quadrants. That is where the catcher almost always sets up. It's not necessarily where the pitch ends up but it is where the catcher is asking for it.

It's also like you said: From last year.

 

[Mulli]

It does show that some pitchers throw inside to him, so that shouldn't really come as a shock. And he only hits .167 on pitches up over the plate but out of the zone.

 

[Mulli]

http://baseballsavant.com/player.php?id=502671&type=batter&year=2014

Looks from this that he is pitched inside.

Not sure what this is relevant to anymore though.

 

[Brian]

It does show that some pitchers throw inside to him, so that shouldn't really come as a shock. And he only hits .167 on pitches up over the plate but out of the zone.

How often do they? Where does it show that? How many of those are where the catcher asked for it? Again, that's from last year. The league is trying to adjust to him.

I think now you are just trying to spool me up. Not gonna happen Mulli. Not gonna happen. I'll throw rocks at you instead. And soon.

 

[Mulli]

How often do they? Where does it show that? How many of those are where the catcher asked for it? Again, that's from last year. The league is trying to adjust to him.

I think now you are just trying to spool me up. Not gonna happen Mulli. Not gonna happen. I'll throw rocks at you instead. And soon.

Check the link from this year. It happens.

 

[Brian]

Check the link from this year. It happens.

I did. It hurt my head. It also doesn't prove one single thing. I'm telling you almost every pitch is asked for low and away. Watch 300 of Goldy's at bats and you'll see that. Also, in the game of baseball, not every pitch is intended to be swung on (which that link can't possibly explain). Every at bat is a chess match, with pitches being thrown for a purpose. Not all of those pitches go where the catcher wants them or where the pitcher intended (which that link can't possibly explain).

There is alot of grey area between sabremetrics and good ol' baseball. It's why I don't rely too heavily on either.

You ever watch a game and wonder why the defense positions themselves for a hitter to pull and yet the pitch is thrown outside? Obviously not what the catcher wanted or what the pitcher intended necessarily, unless of course it is setting up the next pitch.

 

[Mulli]

I did. It hurt my head. It also doesn't prove one single thing. I'm telling you almost every pitch is asked for low and away. Watch 300 of Goldy's at bats and you'll see that. Also, in the game of baseball, not every pitch is intended to be swung on (which that link can't possibly explain). Every at bat is a chess match, with pitches being thrown for a purpose. Not all of those pitches go where the catcher wants them or where the pitcher intended (which that link can't possibly explain).

There is alot of grey area between sabremetrics and good ol' baseball. It's why I don't rely too heavily on either.

You ever watch a game and wonder why the defense positions themselves for a hitter to pull and yet the pitch is thrown outside? Obviously not what the catcher wanted or what the pitcher intended necessarily, unless of course it is setting up the next pitch.

What are we talking about again? haha. I looked at that site again and I am not sure.

 

[Brian]

What are we talking about again? haha. I looked at that site again and I am not sure.

That's it. Can't say I didn't warn you:

 

[Dback Jon]

That's it. Can't say I didn't warn you:

Are you setting up those beanballs low and inside?

 

[Mulli]

5/5.

 

[Mulli]

Note: Don't lose sight of the awesome draft pick the Dsnacks will get.

 

[Dback Jon]

Note: Don't lose sight of the awesome draft pick the Dsnacks will get.

Just like the Scrubs?

 

[Mulli]

Just like the Scrubs?

Heck ya. But Scrubbages have some sweet prospects coming up. Dsnacks traded theirs.

 

[Dback Jon]

Heck ya. But Scrubbages have some sweet prospects coming up. Dsnacks traded theirs.

Like Prospects have ever helped the Scrubs. Like anything will ever help the Scrubs.

 

[Mulli]

Like Prospects have ever helped the Scrubs. Like anything will ever help the Scrubs.

Just wait until next year. Haha.

NOTE:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/midseason-top-50-injury-cant-knock-buxton-1/

And even with sweeping the Cubs, Dsnacks have about the same record.

http://deadspin.com/2014-payrolls-and-salaries-for-every-mlb-team-1551868969

 

[Dback Jon]

Just wait until next year. Haha.

NOTE:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/midseason-top-50-injury-cant-knock-buxton-1/

Been hearing that since I was a wee lad in Illinois

 

[Dback Jon]

Just wait until next year. Haha.

NOTE:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/midseason-top-50-injury-cant-knock-buxton-1/

And even with sweeping the Cubs, Dsnacks have about the same record.

http://deadspin.com/2014-payrolls-and-salaries-for-every-mlb-team-1551868969

Note - three of the top 50 are Dback Pitchers :number1:

 

[Mulli]

Note - three of the top 50 are Dback Pitchers :number1:

Cool. Think of the old dudes you can get for them.

 

[Mulli]

Been hearing that since I was a wee lad in Illinois

Now it is different.