D-Backs batting order is settled

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By Dan Zeiger, Tribune

With only the Nos. 3, 4 and 5 spots of the Diamondbacks’ batting order settled at the start of Cactus League play, manager Bob Melvin figured to be a mad lineup professor of sorts.

Expected to experiment with a number of combinations, Melvin instead has pretty much stuck to the first one he used: with Craig Counsell leading off, Royce Clayton in the second spot and Jose Cruz Jr. sixth. On Tuesday, he said that — barring an injury — Arizona will likely take that lineup into the regular season.

"We’re starting to settle into a lineup that, even though it was the one we started with, it really looks like the one we will have," Melvin said. "Unless something (surprising) happens, I’m comfortable with that lineup."

Luis Gonzalez in the No. 3 hole, Troy Glaus at cleanup and Shawn Green in the fifth spot have long been penned in. That leaves Chad Tracy batting seventh and whoever wins the starting catching job — Koyie Hill or Chris Snyder — at No. 8.

Counsell, Clayton and Cruz producing in their spots during Cactus League contests has helped make Melvin comfortable.

"Counsell has been on base at around a .400 clip, and Clayton has settled into the second spot on a basis that, even on days he isn’t swinging the bat well, he’ll give you something intangibly," Melvin said. "His awareness for hitting in the No. 2 hole is evident."

Gonzalez said he feels the production from the top of the order is perhaps the most impressive facet of the offense this spring.

"They’ve been great at the top of the order," Gonzalez said. "If Craig and Royce keep doing what they’ve been doing in spring training, it’s going to make our job in the middle easier, with guys to drive in all the time."

Heading into Tuesday’s game against the Los Angeles Angels, Counsell was batting .324 (11-for-34) with a .378 onbase percentage. He kept rolling at Tempe Diablo Stadium, reaching base four times and scoring twice.

"The way I look at it, I don’t consider myself settled in," Counsell said. "Right now, leadoff is where I’m hitting, and I’ll do my best to stay there. As a leadoff hitter, the team’s performance pretty much dictates if you’ll stay there or not."

Since the Diamondbacks — along with a growing number of teams — lack a prototype leadoff hitter, Counsell and Cruz were the leading candidates before spring training. Counsell’s success at No. 1 enabled Melvin to place Cruz in an RBI spot.

"I’m not too picky," Cruz said. "I’ll go about things the same way, but (the sixth spot) is nice. I’ll have some good batters in front of me, so it’s a great opportunity to drive in runs."

Cruz, who had an RBI double and sacrifice fly on Tuesday — he batted in the third spot because Gonzalez had the day off — is a switch-hitter, which Melvin likes in between left-handers Green and Tracy.

"Cruz is a perfect way to split Tracy and Green up," Melvin said. "If (a left-handed pitcher) is going to go after Green and Tracy, he’s going to have to go through Jose on the right side."


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I'll be really surprised if Cousell and Clayton still are holding down the top two spots come September.
 

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FORKTUNG said:
I'll be really surprised if Cousell and Clayton still are holding down the top two spots come September.
I would be a REALLY long season if they still are (barring miraculous "career years" for both)
 

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"Counsell has been on base at around a .400 clip, and Clayton has settled into the second spot on a basis that, even on days he isn’t swinging the bat well, he’ll give you something intangibly," Melvin said. "His awareness for hitting in the No. 2 hole is evident."
I don't mind Counse because he always seemed to have nice plate discipline and be able to get on base. As long as his OBP is that good he can bat first.

But what kind of bizarre comment is that by Melvin. "He'll give you something intangibly. His awareness for hitting in the no. 2 hole is evident". Yikes. In other words, his actual numbers are crap, because we only talk about intangible stuff when we have no real stuff to support our decision.
 

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schillingfan said:
But what kind of bizarre comment is that by Melvin. "He'll give you something intangibly. His awareness for hitting in the no. 2 hole is evident". Yikes. In other words, his actual numbers are crap, because we only talk about intangible stuff when we have no real stuff to support our decision.
schillingfan, your comments surprise me. Traditionally, the last thing you measure a #2 hitter by is his batting average.

The leadoff guy gets on and the #2 hitter moves him into scoring position, for the heart of the order to drive him in, often giving up his own at-bat to do so.

A good #2 hitter's stats show, not in his own, but in the standings of his team.

I think back to when I was a kid. Pee Wee Reese of the Dodgers hit .300 once in his career, but was the best #2 hitter in the game. With Jim Gilliam getting on base ahead of him, he and Reese set it up for the heart of the order -- Snider, Robinson, Campanella, Hodges, and Furillo.

Our batting order reminds me so much of that group. You'll see.

Unfortunately, like those Dodgers, our mediocre pitching isn't in the same category our the position players.
 

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LOL - My God, SF, what's happened to you? You used to believe in intangibles! :eek:

Actually Melvin sounded a bit like he was hanging out with RastaRoyce.

btw - my little prediction - Troy Glaus will indeed prove to be a steal.

Listening to BoMel tonight on TV (Baseball on TV!!!!!) I got the feeling he's leaning towards Snyder as catcher - he said how Koyie will be a good hitter, and then talked about how excellent Snyder was with the pitchers. Then they showed poor Stinnett, looking rather lonely on the bench. Melvin said how he could sympathize with a guy like Stinnett, a career backup.

 

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AZZenny said:
LOL - My God, SF, what's happened to you? You used to believe in intangibles! :eek:

Actually Melvin sounded a bit like he was hanging out with RastaRoyce.

btw - my little prediction - Troy Glaus will indeed prove to be a steal.


Oh I do believe in intangibles, just not that kind - you know, the ones about a guy being a "winner".

I always liked the Troy Glaus deal. If he's healthy, it will be a steal.

Speaking of Clayton and Counse, did you see Tony Womack is batting like .500 for the Yankees this spring?
 

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AZZenny said:
Geez, Womack is in the top 5 in half a dozen ST categories -

won't last.
'Won't last to that degree. But under Managers who know how to utilize his skills -- LaRussa and Torre -- he's blossomed once again.

He's no longer swinging for the fences on each pitch to get his 3 HR's each year, and be dropped from leadoff to 8th, as he was annually under Bob Brenley.

Good for Tony.
 

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schillingfan said:
Mumbo jumbo old school BC.

AZZenny said:
LOL - My God, SF, what's happened to you? You used to believe in intangibles! :eek:
Thanks, Zenny. A #2 hitter still has a traditional role in a lineup . . . for a winning team.
 

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