Dantoni's estimate on minutes

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http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/99859

Minutes sparse for Suns’ bench

Jerry Brown, Tribune

Phoenix coach Mike D’Antoni stood in front of the grease board in his office and scribbled down the 240 minutes he has to delegate to his players in an NBA game.
Then he started subtracting:

Read Jerry Brown's blog, Rim Shots

He set aside 38 minutes for Shawn Marion – exactly what The Matrix has averaged over his NBA career.

Raja Bell was at 35 minutes, more than two minutes less than last year.

Amaré Stoudemire and Steve Nash were each penciled in for 33. That was likely written with crossed fingers, because for Nash, that number always seems to rise.

• Newcomer Grant Hill, healthy and quickly adapting to a new conference and style, is expected to play 30 minutes.

• Then D’Antoni’s sixth and seventh “starters” — super subs Leandro Barbosa and Boris Diaw — were allotted 28 minutes each.

Add it up, folks. That’s 225 minutes for the top seven players — leaving just, uh-oh, 15 minutes up for grabs for the rest of the bench.

So much for all the talk of a nine- or even 10-player rotation. So much for all the praise heaped upon rookies and reserves who impressed during training camp.

And while he swears it won’t happen, D’Antoni’s math suggests there might be nights when the game is tight and even No. 8 will struggle to reach the scorers table.

So who will wrestle away those remaining minutes? Will it go to the backcourt and either Marcus Banks or D.J. Strawberry? Will it go to reinforcements in the post: Brian Skinner and/or Sean Marks? Barring blowouts, inevitable foul trouble and injuries, that’s just not much left to carve up.

“I can’t do anything about that. My job and the job for all the guys in the same position is to be ready,” said Marks, who has impressed while playing more than three times as many minutes in the last two preseason games (55) than he played all of last season (17).

“You show you can be useful and you hope Mike finds the right situations where you can help.”

Sounds good. What about it, coach?

“I’m not a situational kind of a guy,” D’Antoni said nicely, but matter-of-factly. “Either, you have minutes and you play, or you don’t. I don’t believe in matching up with somebody else.”

So that means either Banks or Strawberry, and either Skinner or Marks, not all four. First-round pick Alando Tucker hasn’t played in the first three quarters of any preseason game so far, but he’s better off than veteran Eric Piatkowski — who hasn’t played at all.

But this group appears to be in better position to help when needed — and things do happen. Hill might not be able to play as much at this pace. Stoudemire is foul prone and coming off another knee surgery. And the Suns now have more options in the backcourt.

When the Suns built a huge 35-point lead against a tired Utah team Monday, the coach pulled Nash and Bell for Marks and Strawberry, the Jazz immediately went on a 14-2 run over the last two minutes of the third quarter.

D’Antoni crossed his arms. He bit his lip. He ran his fingers through his hair. But he stuck with the young backcourt, and the Suns quickly restored order with a 10-0 run of their own.

Will he do the same when the games count? History says no, but there is time for confidence to grow.

Not much to argue about. Sort of an inevitability with our top seven as they need and command those minutes.

My only concern is that Diaw still needs to prove he deserves those minutes, or dantoni needs to stop drinking the Diaw koolaid.

If he does earn those minutes, and Hill plays consistently, hopefully Nash will deservedly get more than a 15 minute break per game.
 

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I would lower Nash to 30, Bell to 30, add the 7 mins to the 15 mins for the 8th and 9th guy. And have the 8th and 9th men change depending on matchup.... so Tucker, Banks, Strawberry, Marks and Skinner can have minutes in a season week.
 

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Meanwhile Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, and Manu Ginobli may average 34 mpg each this season and will be ready for a big playoff run.

They also had 4 guys average at least 20 mpg and 3 average more than 15 but less than 20.

Only 2 players on their roster last year averaged less than 10 mpg. Out of the 16 who had been on the roster at some point or another.
 

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I feel like Bell got a little tired toward the end of the season. I see no reason why whe can't drop him down to 30 and give his extra minutes to the bench.
 

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“I’m not a situational kind of a guy,” D’Antoni said nicely, but matter-of-factly. “Either, you have minutes and you play, or you don’t. I don’t believe in matching up with somebody else.”

This was really the only quote I took a little issue with. I just don't like that attitude.

I realize the Suns are at their best when they make teams adjust to them. That's fine, I would rather them play to their strengths, and have other teams adjust to them. The problem is that there is no backup plan just in case a team takes them out of their game.

As far as minutes go, I'm pretty sure Amare will be above 33 barring foul trouble. I see him more in the 35-36 range.

There is no way Nash plays less than 35. Won't happen. I would like to see it happen, but it won't. DA gets too scared.

I would like to see DA scale Raja's minutes down a bit. He uses so much energy out there when he plays, there's no way he doesn't wear down. The problem there is that our perimeter defense seems to take a hit.

I don't know how it's going to work, but I would really like to see DJ get some minutes, just so we can idea of what he can do since he has been praised so much.
 

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I feel like Bell got a little tired toward the end of the season. I see no reason why whe can't drop him down to 30 and give his extra minutes to the bench.

Out of all the players, I worry about Bell the most as well.

I think it's hard to play Nash less than 33 minutes a game, even if you wanted him too. With his back condition you don't want to sit him down more than twice a game and you can't risk sitting him out for too long each time and having his back lock up.

The Suns schedule to start the year looks pretty easy. I'm hoping the Suns have a lot of blowouts and the bench gets a lot of play.
 

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Raja does not need to be playing that many mins. I think D'Antoni is an above average coach but his focus on the regular season pisses me off. He's going to drain our top guys just to get reg season wins while the Spurs rest and coast their guys.
 

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is 2 min a game really going to make that big of a difference?
 

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Did anyone expected anything different from D'Antoni???? Why would he suddenly do things differently what he has been doing last 3 years?
 

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If I was D'Antoni, I'd play Banks, Tucker and DJ Strawberry a lot in the first 15~20 games. Give Nash and Bell about 26~27 minutes a piece.

Might as well play Marks too. Put Diaw there at 32 minutes, Marion at 32 and Amare at 33. Give Marks atleast around 7 Minutes a game in the first 15-20 games. Skinner in during the blowouts and/or hopefully not, but if injuries.
 

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I really liked the idea of a "defensive unit" that comes out on the floor. You can come out with Banks, Strawberry, Bell, Diaw and Skinner, play about 5 minutes of all-out D and push the hell out of the ball on offense. Then, they all platoon out and you come back with Nash, LB, Hill, Marion and STAT. I'd love to see if that could work. Banks alluded to it during camp, but it looks like the idea was scrapped.
 

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It's the equivalent to 2 extra games played for the season.

...or the equivalent of spending one day in Pat Rileys/Scott Skiles/etc pre-season camp getting killed instead of being in one of Mikes soft training sessions. Or the difference in the training intensity between Mikes staff and and "tough guy's" any day after a loss.
 

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I really liked the idea of a "defensive unit" that comes out on the floor. You can come out with Banks, Strawberry, Bell, Diaw and Skinner, play about 5 minutes of all-out D and push the hell out of the ball on offense. Then, they all platoon out and you come back with Nash, LB, Hill, Marion and STAT. I'd love to see if that could work. Banks alluded to it during camp, but it looks like the idea was scrapped.

thank god because as good as you think that defensive unit would be (which I don't) they would go scoreless from the field for 5 minutes.
 

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Unless it is a really tight game there is no reason to play anybody more than 35 minutes, not only that but you always want your starters or your guys in there in the fourth so why not give more time to the bench in the 2nd and 3rd quarters and allow the starters major minutes in the first and fourth that way they are strong and go hard to start and too finish. This instead of giving the subs time in the fourth of a blow out and then panic and putting the starters back in...
 

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The only thing I really disagree with is Bell at 35 minutes. I'd really like to see him around 30. I think the decision might have a lot to do with LB's lack of defensive progression though.
 

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...or the equivalent of spending one day in Pat Rileys/Scott Skiles/etc pre-season camp getting killed instead of being in one of Mikes soft training sessions. Or the difference in the training intensity between Mikes staff and and "tough guy's" any day after a loss.

As a fan of the Suns, my concern is the three time surgered knees of Amare, Raja's two surgeries since joining the Suns, Nash's back problems, and Grant Hill's injury history.

Any rest they can get should be given.
 

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I'd probably have Bell at 30-32 minutes and Marion at 33-35. This team has better depth this year and we need to utilize it.

Nash 33 minutes
Bell 30
Hill 28
Marion 35
Amare 33
Barbosa 30
Diaw 27

That's 216 minutes with 24 minutes for guys 8-11

DJ\Tucker 8 minutes
Banks 8
Marks\Skinner 8

IMO, D'Antoni's biggest substitution problem is that when he actually decides to use the bench, he'll take out almost all of the starters and put out a team like Banks, LB, DJ, Diaw & Marks and then the other team goes on a big run. If he took one or two of the 8-11 guys and mixed them in with the starters it would work out a lot better. For Example, Nash, DJ, Bell, Amare, Marks/Skinner.
 
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I'd probably have Bell at 30-32 minutes and Marion at 33-35. This team has better depth this year and we need to utilize it.

Nash 33 minutes
Bell 30
Hill 28
Marion 35
Amare 33
Barbosa 30
Diaw 27

That's 216 minutes with 24 minutes for guys 7-10

DJ\Tucker 8 minutes
Banks 8
Marks\Skinner 8

IMO, D'Antoni's biggest substitution problem is that when he actually decides to use the bench, he'll take out almost all of the starters and put out a team like Banks, LB, DJ, Diaw & Marks and then the other team goes on a big run. If he took one of the 8-11 guys and mixed them in with the starters it would work out a lot better. For Example, Nash, DJ, Bell, Amare, Marks/Skinner.

I agree with all of the above.
 

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Best part is the bench is defensive, except for barbosa and occasionly diaw. Just depends on who the suns are playing, that will determine the rest of the teams mins.
 

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Hill's obviously excited about this team and how he's feeling right now, but it's dangerous to extend his minutes to 35mpg. He'll be lucky (and should be happy) if he can play 28mpg in all 82 games + playoffs. I really like Grant Hill and he's looked amazing so far, but this team has so much talent that we shouldn't need him to play more than 28-30 minutes a game.
 

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Hill's obviously excited about this team and how he's feeling right now, but it's dangerous to extend his minutes to 35mpg. He'll be lucky (and should be happy) if he can play 28mpg in all 82 games + playoffs. I really like Grant Hill and he's looked amazing so far, but this team has so much talent that we shouldn't need him to play more than 28-30 minutes a game.

agreed. this talk of hill playing 30+ minutes consistently scares the bejeezus outta me.
 

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agreed. this talk of hill playing 30+ minutes consistently scares the bejeezus outta me.

me too - dude's GOT to be healthy/fresh come playoff time. If he's really as good as he looks in the pre-season, if he's healthy, DA might just be able to outscore the Spurs finally. I can't believe I'm saying that, but if Hill can be that Ginobli type player for us, I think regardless of not having another big man to really help Amare that we could actually get by them. Just need to keep him fresh and think about the big picture.
 

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