Darren Urban blog - curious discovery about Boldin's agent

[Skkorpion]

Maybe nothing but maybe something significant. Read it. You decide.

http://www.azcardinals.com/blog/blog.php?author=1

 

[lauraw]

To me and my uneducated eyes, nothing-- what could it mean Skkorpion?

 

[TJ]

I think it's a minor over sight.

Someone would have caught wind of it by now if there was something to this

 

[Ryanwb]

Has Anquan fired his agent? I'd assume a database error, however one never knows

 

[JeffGollin]

I always suspected Rosenhaus was elusive, but this is ridiculous.

 

[Carddan]

Considering that there were rumors a month ago that Q was firing his agent, Rosen(fill in the expletive), and consider that Urban plays it very close to the vest, this could be something. Still, I think the first priority is Dansby because he could free up a lot of $$$ for Wilson and then Q in that order.

 

[Brighteyes]

Oh please oh please oh please ...

Let it be so! Fire him, Q!

 

[AzCardzFan]

Looks like Q did fire his agent....its on ESPN now.

 

[KiDStallyn]

Sando Reporting that Anquan HAS indeed FIRED RosenPUKE!!!! Story soon on ESPN.com.

 

[KiDStallyn]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4206769

Boldin plans to change agents
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By Mike Sando
ESPN.com
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Pro Bowl receiver Anquan Boldin has informed agent Drew Rosenhaus, the Arizona Cardinals and the NFL Players Association of plans to fire Rosenhaus amid stalled attempts to force a trade or a new contract.

Rosenhaus, who represents more NFL players than any other agent, had tried pressuring the Cardinals into trading the 28-year-old receiver. He released the following statement to ESPN.com:

"Regarding Anquan Boldin, let me say that I have great respect for him. I'm hopeful we can work this out and he can return to the Rosenhaus Sports family in the near future. We are proud to continue to represent his brother, D.J. Boldin."

A Cardinals spokesman declined comment.

 

[Carddan]

What would it take for me to welcome Q back to the family? Nothing, just his word and actions on the field.

 

[Totally_Red]

Rosenhaus, who represents more NFL players than any other agent, had tried pressuring the Cardinals into trading the 28-year-old receiver. He released the following statement to ESPN.com:

I read someplace that Rosenhaus represents over 100 players and carries most of the load himself. I don't care how hard you work that has to mean some clients don't get taken care of.

PFT is confirming via an email from Rosenhaus ......
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/05/26/rosenhaus-keeps-shockey-loses-anquan-boldin/

 

[Ryanwb]

Sounds like Anquan no longer wants to play hardball.

I re-affirm that the Cardinals openly took offers for Anquan, they didn't get anything close to equal value with most teams citing not wanting to give prime money to Boldin. Therefore I think Q has gotten a taste of reality and realizes his best opportunity is here

 

[SuperSpck]

This, like Dansby, may mean that what Boldin wants and what Rosenhaus deems acceptable are two different things.

It could mean the end of the storm is approaching, or that we're just getting to the calm eye.

 

[O]

Let's hope Dockett follows suit.

 

[sundevilscott]

What a great find by Urban!!

 

[az1965]

Great news!!

Hopefully it means good things for both sides!

 

[CardsFan88]

Awesome news.

I think boldin might see things a couple of different ways

1. Boldin didn't trust DR to do the deal after it taking this long, and that DR's wishes for the contract were conflicting with Boldin's.

2. Now he'll try another agent, and see if he can tell if it was his agent's fault, or the cardinals.

My guess is, he's not sure who's at fault for a holdup, he just wants a deal done.

I just hope that whoever he signs doesn't approach things the same way as DR.

Just because you change agents, doesn't mean the end result approach will change.

But overall I see DR being fired as a positive step forward that only increases our chances of keeping boldin for the next 4-7 years.

 

[TJ]

I think it's a minor over sight.

Someone would have caught wind of it by now if there was something to this

 

[lauraw]

Great point, O! Shut up and make the Pro Bowl2x then we'll pay you...

 

[JeffGollin]

Promising Development

Somewhere within the media give and take over Boldin were reports that Q planned to attend OTA's.

If true, it may a good sign - an indicator that Anquan genuinely wants to get something done and to remain a Cardinal.

Then again, there is a difference between (voluntary) OTA's and (mandatory) mini-camps and whomever reported the story may have confused the two. (In other words - that Q might only attend mandatory workouts and not the voluntary ones).

(Note - I wouldn't get too wrapped up in what Q's past motivations were or may have been. I'd rather stay focused on having him working out with the team and the team, in turn, focusing on reaching and winning the Super Bowl).

 

[RonF]

I don't think the Cards failed to sign Anquan to a new contract because of anything Drew Rosenhaus has done. His new agent doesn't change the fact that he is under contract for two more years. He had his time at bat and sulking about not having the FO move him to the front of the line for a new contract is just a waste of everyone's time.

 

[CardsFan88]

I don't think the Cards failed to sign Anquan to a new contract because of anything Drew Rosenhaus has done. His new agent doesn't change the fact that he is under contract for two more years. He had his time at bat and sulking about not having the FO move him to the front of the line for a new contract is just a waste of everyone's time.

Very possible, however it seems that DR was the sticking point. Only time will tell, and if he does get a new contract in the next say 3 months, odds are is was DR holding things up.

Remember the context. It's DR, scumbag extraordinaire. Tell every client to hold out before his contract is up, demand trades, and meanwhile he's asking for top 5 money pretty much for everyone he represents (of course we don't have figures, but everything I read is he asks for the moon. Didn't ESPN have a segment a few months back where they were saying basically 10 or so of his clients are asking for trades this offseason?). Now that is good and bad.

Some would say he's doing the best thing for his client. But that's under the 'living in the bubble world' that more money = best thing for client. You never hear about the guys who get top(or almost) dollar, who don't live up to it, about 80 percent of these contracts btw, and probably about half of them are cut years earlier and they hit the FA market as an aging player who can't get that good of a deal.

Meanwhile, one could argue, that if they had taken a few million less on PAPER, then those say year 5, 6, 7 salaries are more like say 6-8 million a year, rather than some artificial number like 10-12.

If the guy isn't playing like Joe Montana or Jerry Rice, well, odds are he'll never see it. Odds are his next contract for those years 5,6,7 aren't anything close to the amount he would have received if he hadn't been cut. If he had settled for a little less in the beginning ON PAPER, and maybe a few million in salary as opposed to signing bonus, he probably could have finished through his contract, or maybe made it to the last year of it, thus ensuring say a 6-8 million dollar payoff for another couple of years, rather than the vet min-2.5 million a season his new contract would probably net him. In this scenario, which happens EVERY year to nfl players, signing the biggest contract was not the best thing for the player, only for you guessed, the agent.

They claim, oh well it forces the team to deal with it. Yeah they do, by cutting them. (in most cases).

Remember people, things aren't always as they appear. It appears DR does great thigns for his clients, but I would suggest otherwise. You get a high dollar contract, you better play like it, or you're gone. That's the way it is in the NFL, and DR will make sure you are put in that position. Where either you play like your contract demands that you do, or you are sure to get cut.

What does it matter to him? He's paid, and if you get cut, he gets a chance to make more.

Ultimately we don't know what is what, but I would say that Boldin firing DR for another agent who can come in and work these next few months.....won't have as much of a stake in the negotiations since he hasn't worked on them for years, and won't desire a huge contract to pay himself for his time all those years.

Also let's face it, Boldin's ploy failed. He couldn't leverage against the Cardinals, and it was taking a toll on him with the fans.

Not to mention with this economy, it might be better to get 30 million now, than 40 million, maybe, if we can afford it, next year or two years from now.

A new set of eyes, with not as much at stake, while not telling Q to act like a baffoon in the media, and one who has more time to deal with the contract might indeed be what's needed to come to a deal. Maybe DR said, I won't go lower than 10 mill for you Q, and maybe Q said, 'well I'm willing to accept less than 10 to get it done'. DR's might take years to get a deal done, if ever, and he might find himself traded to a team that let's face it, might not have as bright of a future as US. Meanwhile maybe Q's way gets a deal done within a couple of months. Not to mention, with the Cardinals, if you have two great wr's, who are paid like two great wr's. Then in a couple of years one of the two gets injured or just starts not being able to live up to their contract. Odds are the pressure will be on them even more so to be cut. Why? Because we have Larry Fitz on the other side. Or vice-versa. Odds are one of the two will last a couple years longer playing at a high level, and if we have that much put into the WR position, whatever person doesn't preform will also have that pressure on them. So maybe 8 million a year, and lower back-end salaries in subsequent years, i.e. 10 million rather than say 12 or 13, again might keep them on the team longer.

Lots of assumptions here, which means I could be completely wrong, but odds are -based on logic and context, probably not by much, even if I can't correctly guess all the details.

Oh yeah, also my opinion of Urban went way up. I like getting news from sources that actually have a brain, whether it be sports, news, politics, etc. Rather than talking point repeaters who repeat the news like a parrot. Seeing a guy on the ball so much that he notices Q's agent listing is missing is a guy to me who 'does his homework'. His credibility to me went way up.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Very possible, however it seems that DR was the sticking point. Only time will tell, and if he does get a new contract in the next say 3 months, odds are is was DR holding things up.

Remember the context. It's DR, scumbag extraordinaire. Tell every client to hold out before his contract is up, demand trades, and meanwhile he's asking for top 5 money pretty much for everyone he represents (of course we don't have figures, but everything I read is he asks for the moon. Didn't ESPN have a segment a few months back where they were saying basically 10 or so of his clients are asking for trades this offseason?). Now that is good and bad.

Some would say he's doing the best thing for his client. But that's under the 'living in the bubble world' that more money = best thing for client. You never hear about the guys who get top(or almost) dollar, who don't live up to it, about 80 percent of these contracts btw, and probably about half of them are cut years earlier and they hit the FA market as an aging player who can't get that good of a deal.

Meanwhile, one could argue, that if they had taken a few million less on PAPER, then those say year 5, 6, 7 salaries are more like say 6-8 million a year, rather than some artificial number like 10-12.

If the guy isn't playing like Joe Montana or Jerry Rice, well, odds are he'll never see it. Odds are his next contract for those years 5,6,7 aren't anything close to the amount he would have received if he hadn't been cut. If he had settled for a little less in the beginning ON PAPER, and maybe a few million in salary as opposed to signing bonus, he probably could have finished through his contract, or maybe made it to the last year of it, thus ensuring say a 6-8 million dollar payoff for another couple of years, rather than the vet min-2.5 million a season his new contract would probably net him. In this scenario, which happens EVERY year to nfl players, signing the biggest contract was not the best thing for the player, only for you guessed, the agent.

They claim, oh well it forces the team to deal with it. Yeah they do, by cutting them. (in most cases).

Remember people, things aren't always as they appear. It appears DR does great thigns for his clients, but I would suggest otherwise. You get a high dollar contract, you better play like it, or you're gone. That's the way it is in the NFL, and DR will make sure you are put in that position. Where either you play like your contract demands that you do, or you are sure to get cut.

What does it matter to him? He's paid, and if you get cut, he gets a chance to make more.

Ultimately we don't know what is what, but I would say that Boldin firing DR for another agent who can come in and work these next few months.....won't have as much of a stake in the negotiations since he hasn't worked on them for years, and won't desire a huge contract to pay himself for his time all those years.

Also let's face it, Boldin's ploy failed. He couldn't leverage against the Cardinals, and it was taking a toll on him with the fans.

Not to mention with this economy, it might be better to get 30 million now, than 40 million, maybe, if we can afford it, next year or two years from now.

A new set of eyes, with not as much at stake, while not telling Q to act like a baffoon in the media, and one who has more time to deal with the contract might indeed be what's needed to come to a deal. Maybe DR said, I won't go lower than 10 mill for you Q, and maybe Q said, 'well I'm willing to accept less than 10 to get it done'. DR's might take years to get a deal done, if ever, and he might find himself traded to a team that let's face it, might not have as bright of a future as US. Meanwhile maybe Q's way gets a deal done within a couple of months. Not to mention, with the Cardinals, if you have two great wr's, who are paid like two great wr's. Then in a couple of years one of the two gets injured or just starts not being able to live up to their contract. Odds are the pressure will be on them even more so to be cut. Why? Because we have Larry Fitz on the other side. Or vice-versa. Odds are one of the two will last a couple years longer playing at a high level, and if we have that much put into the WR position, whatever person doesn't preform will also have that pressure on them. So maybe 8 million a year, and lower back-end salaries in subsequent years, i.e. 10 million rather than say 12 or 13, again might keep them on the team longer.

Lots of assumptions here, which means I could be completely wrong, but odds are -based on logic and context, probably not by much, even if I can't correctly guess all the details.

Oh yeah, also my opinion of Urban went way up. I like getting news from sources that actually have a brain, whether it be sports, news, politics, etc. Rather than talking point repeaters who repeat the news like a parrot. Seeing a guy on the ball so much that he notices Q's agent listing is missing is a guy to me who 'does his homework'. His credibility to me went way up.

i am going to caveat my comments with the fact that i did not read your entire rant. but some of what you said needs to be addressed.

1. it is nowhere obvious that DR was the sticking point. even if Q signs and extension within the next 3 months it could be b/c Q finally softens his position and have nothing to do with DR. we will likely never know if DR's involvement had any impact on these negotiations.

2. outta 90+ clients not every single one holds out or demands a trade. that's a gross overgeneralization.

3. players who don't live up to their contracts are not usually just automatically cut but rather given the option to accept a paycut. for a good player that never quite became great it is ALWAYS what happens. but those players have inflated egos and beleive they are worth the greater money. THAT'S why they are usually cut, b/c they are unwilling to renegotiate. that has NOTHING to do with their agents.

4. agents are generally paid on a percentage of contract basis. that's for an entire contract. if the contract becomes void they are no longer paid. they don't have any more incentive for a new contract than the player has - more money based on the numbers in the contract. it's not like they are stock brokers where they get paid on each trade (or in their case, each contract negotiated). their cash interest is directly aligned with their client's cash interest.

5. completely agree with your assessment of urban. color me impressed. i thought it was just an oversight. something so trivial turned out to be relatively significant. nicely done urban.

 

[Ryanwb]

For every good move by DR, there seems to be 2 bad deals. He's way overrated