D'backs close to trade

[Ryanwb]

ESPN News said the Yankees are close to trading Javier Vasquez,Steve Karsay and 10.5 million bucks to Florida for A.J Burnett. The Yankees would then send Burnett to AZ for Johnson straight up

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6707859/
Thoughts on this one?? Burnett is the best name that's been tossed around so far but I wouldn't consider him an ace

 

[Djaughe]

I'd do it! The dude is 27 years young and has talent.

 

[KingLouieLouie]

Not straight-up though.... The Marlins would have to add 1B Jason Stokes and a ML pitcher (someone like Scott Olsen) to make this deal even more attractive...

 

[Ryanwb]

Not straight-up though.... The Marlins would have to add 1B Jason Stokes and a ML pitcher (someone like Scott Olsen) to make this deal even more attractive...

Now not a bad deal..... Stokes is a decent prospect

 

[ajcardfan]

Not straight-up though.... The Marlins would have to add 1B Jason Stokes and a ML pitcher (someone like Scott Olsen) to make this deal even more attractive...

Why in the hell would the Marlins do that? If they are that stupid, sure, take that deal instead. I just don't see enough return for them to give up another good prospect and a pitcher.

 

[Ryanwb]

Burnett can't stay healthy...

 

[Djaughe]

Why in the hell would the Marlins do that? If they are that stupid, sure, take that deal instead. I just don't see enough return for them to give up another good prospect and a pitcher.

Maybe the marlins figure they won't be able to resign him after this year...

 

[Gee!]

I like Burnett. Not sure just for Randy straight up though.

 

[KingLouieLouie]

Why in the hell would the Marlins do that? If they are that stupid, sure, take that deal instead. I just don't see enough return for them to give up another good prospect and a pitcher.

Ryan "nailed it" exactly....That if the Dbacks only 'net Burnett in this deal for Johnson, and Burnett reinjures himself....It would be Schilling Pt. #2.....

The Marlins already have a deep Farm System and are also stocked at the ML level lots of younger talent, that by dealing away one of their top-5 pitching prospects and a top position player wouldnt really affect them that much....

I believe if Vasquez is dealt over to the Marlins, they would immediately sign him to a long-term deal...or...even if they fail in their attempt to do so...they would then be in prime position to trade Vasquez at the trade-deadline to a contending team (which would essentially allow them to fill the void of whatever players they dealt to the Dbacks).....

 

[Evil Ash]

Hmmm. This is somewhat of a tough call. Burnett is a very talented starting pithcer but like Ryan said he has trouble staying healthy.

If some minor league prospects were added in (just because they weren't mentioned doesn't mean there aren't any involved in the trade ... most prospects are ignored in reporting trades like this), then I'd do it.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Don't want to give myself too much credit, but I predicted this yesterday.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=43897

AJ Burnett is a extremely talented pitcher and I would love to have him here. Straight up for RJ? Not for him, but I would for Hudson. Add a prospect or two, even throw in Hairston or Cintron if you wnat and get this deal done. And I'm guessing we'll end up with mostly Yankee prospects.

However, I'm not quite sure what the Marlins are doing. Their front office is pretty dumb but acquiring Vazquez, who is more talented than Burnett yet had that awful second half, and Karsay, who is also very talented but hasn't pitched in years doesn;t make much sense from their angle. Especially when these guys make a boatload of money.

 

[ajcardfan]

Those are some good points about Burnett's injury and the Marlins farm system. Maybe the Marlins like Vasquez and Karsay a lot more than I do and they'll part with a couple of prospects as well.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

True, Burnett had some elbow problems and he had TJ a couple years ago. But knowing a couple pitchers in that organization, I'll tell you that many of their pitchers encounter elbow problems due to overuse. We've seen it with Josh Beckett a few times and it happened to Brad Penny shortly before getting traded to the Dodgers among others.

- I found this. Apparently, the Marlins front office knew about a bone spur in Burnett's elbow but didn't tell the coaching staff and they routinely trotted him out there for 110+ pitches. If our medical staff does it's homework and figures out that the bone spur was causing him his elbow problems, he may remain pretty healthy since it has been removed.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2003/0501/1548066.html

 

[boondockdrunk]

Burnett can't stay healthy...

That is why I dont like this trade idea.... I would rather get what florida is getting, than an injured pitcher.. However, if he can stay healthy, AJ is a great pitcher for cheap.

 

[KingLouieLouie]

Are the Dbacks actually seeking Olson in the package? Reason why I asked is that I'm the one who suggested that they pursued him since he's a ML ready LH starter, which is something the Dbacks lack in the organization.....

Anyways, perhaps this is a moot point, however, the sequencing of the trade should go more like this:

Dbacks trade Randy Johnson to the Marlins for Burnett, Stokes, and Olsen....
Then, the Marlins turn-around and trade Randy to the Yankees for Vasquez, Karsay, Tom Gordon (they still need a closer), and perhaps one of the Yankees top-prospects.....

 

[devilalum]

Randy is the only player on earth that will give the Yankees what they really need. A DOMINANT big game starter that will get them another ring. I think they know this and if the Dbacks wait long enough they should get a rediculous price for him.

 

[AZZenny]

Ummmm - it's not like THIS organization has had great luck keeping young pitchers healthy. I swear to God, GM must have Munchausen's by Proxy - he just can't resist collecting damaged pitchers. Burnett straight up for Randy would be a rip off.

Anyone who thinks that nincompoop GM has a clue can just look at how he screws up big trade opportunities. Cashman must be under sedation after laughing so hard he hurt himself.

 

[KingLouieLouie]

Ummmm - it's not like THIS organization has had great luck keeping young pitchers healthy. I swear to God, GM must have Munchausen's by Proxy - he just can't resist collecting damaged pitchers. Burnett straight up for Randy would be a rip off.

Anyone who thinks that nincompoop GM has a clue can just look at how he screws up big trade opportunities. Cashman must be under sedation after laughing so hard he hurt himself.

I question why you slam Joe Jr. when he isnt clearly involved with the team's transacations? I believe that Moorad and Gebhard are handling the team's player personnel decisions, while Jr. is just serving as their "talking head" for the media.....

Also, we must applaud the Dbacks management's constraints thus far that they havent succumbed to any other subpar trade offers that were made previously.....

 

[AZZenny]

Believe what you want. People used to blame JC, now they blame Moorad - while the style of trade and contract negotiation thus far is completely in keeping with the way its been done for a number of years. There is one constant and it the GM, so I fail to see why he always gets let off the hook. He can't drive a hard bargain, he can't judge major league pitching talent, and he has no foresight or creativity. Maybe he is just a puppet, but in that case everything I just said still applies.

 

[KingLouieLouie]

Believe what you want. People used to blame JC, now they blame Moorad - while the style of trade and contract negotiation thus far is completely in keeping with the way its been done for a number of years. There is one constant and it the GM, so I fail to see why he always gets let off the hook. He can't drive a hard bargain, he can't judge major league pitching talent, and he has no foresight or creativity. Maybe he is just a puppet, but in that case everything I just said still applies.

I'm not blaming Moorad or have noticed anyone doing so.....

I for one am impressed w/what the Dbacks have managed to achieve this offseason (except for re-acquiring Counsell when they already have Kata, Hammock, Tracy, and Hairston)....At least Counsell would provide some decent speed and consistant defense....

I'd take Glaus over Sexson since Glaus is 2-years younger and performed at a high level after he returned from his surgery...while the jury is still out if Sexson would be able to return back at full-strength.....

Ortiz is a solid 2nd starter and would become more appealing if they do get someone of the caliber of Burnett in the Johnson deal.... They're also still rumored in the pursuit of Clement, but his #s havent been exactly stellar over the past couple seasons and his contract demands might be too excessive....

Clayton for a 1-yr deal is perfect since he's solid defensively and can provide the Dbacks some additional speed from at least the 2nd spot in the order...

Just I'm glad they have shown a lot of restraint w/not trading Johnson for the sake of trading him...Perhaps they can force another team to up the ante if this one rumor involving the Yankees/Marlins is actually imminent....

Now if they could add a veteran reliever and a power hitting OF (to bat behind Glaus in the order), then this offseason will be complete...

Just like to offer....Please avoid Shawn Estes and Dave Dellucci like the plague....

 

[NavyVet]

Man, I would just love to see JD Drew in center and Magglio Ordonez in right.

 

[boondockdrunk]

Man, I would just love to see JD Drew in center and Magglio Ordonez in right.

And I would love to have Heidi Klum be my wife... but it aint gonna happen.

 

[Stan C]

I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I'd like to see Podsednik in center, so we need to get the White Sox back in the Randy sweepstakes.
I know he did not shine last year, but I loved it when Womak was stealing bases. We even got to see Jay Bell hit over 30 hrs that year.

 

[WildBB]

Not straight-up though.... The Marlins would have to add 1B Jason Stokes and a ML pitcher (someone like Scott Olsen) to make this deal even more attractive...

Yea - not straight up - include J. Stokes!

FOOO SURRRE.

 

[WildBB]

Randy is the only player on earth that will give the Yankees what they really need. A DOMINANT big game starter that will get them another ring. I think they know this and if the Dbacks wait long enough they should get a rediculous price for him.

And there's always the Anaheim card.