Deandre Jordan?

[Finito]

Well the Clippers are gonna fall short yet again and there has been talks of them blowing it up for awhile.

All I know is he signed the big contract a couple years back no idea if he's happy or not just spit balling names right now with my buddy. The Suns are going to have crazy assets, well we already do. If we draft Jackson in my opinion that makes Warren/Bender expendable. If we go after Fultz or Ball then Bled absolutely has to go.

Just throwing it out there

 

[Yuma]

http://hoopshype.com/2017/01/25/nba-free-agency-2017-centers/

There are decent centers, not as good as Deandre, coming up in free agency. Plus we have Tyson Chandler at least one more year.

 

[SirStefan32]

I like Plumlee a lot. The rest of that list is less than impressive.

 

[Yuma]

I like Plumlee a lot. The rest of that list is less than impressive.

I hear you. I just do not want us trading the pieces we have for a center at this point. I am thinking we have time with Chandler and maybe Big Sauce here to wait for the next draft and see what happens. No need to go all in for a center yet, imho.

 

[SirStefan32]

I hear you. I just do not want us trading the pieces we have for a center at this point. I am thinking we have time with Chandler and maybe Big Sauce here to wait for the next draft and see what happens. No need to go all in for a center yet, imho.

Eh, you have to trade assets at a certain point. Once you have redundant assets, you can afford to trade them for things you don't have. If they draft Jackson, they can afford to trade Warren and one of Miami's picks for Jordan. If you draft a center (even a good one), it will be years before they can contribute the way Jordan does. Same applies to Bledsoe should they draft one of the PGs.

It's nice to have assets, but sometimes you use those assets to acquire more tangible assets that you need more.

 

[SirStefan32]

On a side note, my preferred target would be Whiteside. I'd like to see how badly Miami wants their picks back.

 

[SirStefan32]

It also appears Porzingis is very unhappy in New York. I am guessing that they will make him happy by getting rid of Anthony, Jackson, and Hornacek, but you never know- things could be beyond repair.

 

[Yuma]

It also appears Porzingis is very unhappy in New York. I am guessing that they will make him happy by getting rid of Anthony, Jackson, and Hornacek, but you never know- things could be beyond repair.

I can see Miami maybe trading Whiteside, but Porzingas is a draw for Knicks fans buying tickets. I think they never trade him. I would totally go for Whiteside. Didn't he just sign a big dollar deal?

Hassan Whiteside signed a 4 year / $98,419,538 contract with the Miami Heat, including $98,419,538 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $24,604,885. In 2016-17, Whiteside will earn a base salary of $22,116,750, while carrying a cap hit of $22,116,750 and a dead cap value of $98,419,538.

 

[Finito]

Whiteside and Porzingas aren't going anywhere. The clippers look like they might blow it up that's why I threw Jordan out there

 

[Sunburn]

We should use our assets wisely. If we can acquire a difference maker sure, but if the player we're acquiring doesn't move the needle that much, is it wise to use up a significant portion of team assets? I'm not sure if Jordan/Drummond/Whiteside would move the needle that much over Len, Chandler, Sauce.

 

[SirStefan32]

I'm not sure if Jordan/Drummond/Whiteside would move the needle that much over Len, Chandler, Sauce.

Yes it would. All three of those would be major difference makers. Len is terribly inconsistent. Chandler is old, and not really a rim protector at this stage of his career. His offensive game is limited to put-backs, and dunks. I am a huge Williams fan, and I love what he does offensively, but he is only 6'8, and not particularly quick or athletic. Jordan is probably the worst of the three guys listed, and even so, he gives you Len's defense on his best days, and at the very least, Chandler's offense and rebounding. Drummond and Whiteside are vastly superior to the Suns' centers by far, and on both sides of the floor. Adding Whiteside to this team would transform the team.

 

[Yuma]

My point was if we resign either Len or Big Sauce, and we have Chandler, i would like to see who we could get two drafts from now at center, assuming we don't get one this draft. We have 3 picks, we could trade, free agency, so we may have a different center by next season anyway.

 

[slinslin]

Porzingis is massively overrated. I doubt he will ever be anything more than simply a good player.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Porzingis is massively overrated. I doubt he will ever be anything more than simply a good player.

He's 7'3, mobile and skilled enough to be chosen for the Skills competition (and win it), averaged 18 and 7 with 2 blocks per game on a team with no clue how to use him, shoots 36% from three and is a career 81% free throw shooter.

Oh, and he's 21 years old. He's already more than a good player, and he has tremendous growth potential.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Frankly, this opinion on Porzingis makes me feel much better about your opinions on Bender.

 

[Yuma]

One thing to think about is Porzingas plays on a team where he gets all his points during the flow of the game since Carmello is option 1, 2, and 3 on the offensive end. You put him on the Spurs, and he would be dynamite.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Deandre would be a good fit. Excellent defender and rim protector. 28 years old. Has a least a 7 years window.

 

[JCSunsfan]

It also appears Porzingis is very unhappy in New York. I am guessing that they will make him happy by getting rid of Anthony, Jackson, and Hornacek, but you never know- things could be beyond repair.

Horny seems to frustrate players. He does not communicate well, it seems.

 

[elindholm]

If Porzingis were on the Suns, this board would already be reserving him a spot in the Hall of Fame.

 

[slinslin]

He's 7'3, mobile and skilled enough to be chosen for the Skills competition (and win it), averaged 18 and 7 with 2 blocks per game on a team with no clue how to use him, shoots 36% from three and is a career 81% free throw shooter.

Oh, and he's 21 years old. He's already more than a good player, and he has tremendous growth potential.

He is a good player but nothing more than that.

Has not shown any ability to take over games and major questions if he will ever withstand a full 82 game schedule at a high workload.

He has also shown very little improvement from rookie to sophomore. The only thing that really changed are his minutes while his rebounding rate has gone from bad to horrible.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

He shot 3% better on a higher volume, which I would say is a pretty important improvement. Also, the number of players 21 and under who "take over games" is very short. If you want to compare him to the LeBrons of the world, then yes...he falls short (even at 7'3). Even our beloved Booker (who most experts seem to still rate behind Porzingis fwiw) hasn't led to consistent wins.

Also, let's take the 21-year-olds in history who have been able to take over games, put them on a team with Carmelo Anthony, and see how many take over.

Seriously...look over the great players in history at age 21. Making a statistical argument against someone ever being more than good based off of stats at that age is fruitless. And in this case, it's not even a good statistical argument. The kid is playing very well. He's not Lonzo Ball. We're not projecting. He's in the NBA. He's excelling. It's already a thing.

Not saying he is a lock for the Hall of Fame...but to discredit him based on his stats right now is a fool's errand.

Here are four players at age 21:



MIN FGM-A FG% 3PM-A 3P% FTM-A FT% OR DR REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS

Player A:
26.7 3.6-8.3 . 436 1.4-4.0 .349 3.5-4.2.843 0.5 2.6 3.1 2.1 0.3 1.1 2.5 1.3 12.2

Player B:
34.3 5.9-14.1 .418 0.3-1.3 .221 4.0-5.1 .780 1.7 3.2 4.9 8.0 0.4 1.3 2.5 3.3 16.1

Player C:
32.8 6.7-14.9 .450 1.7-4.8 .357 3.0-3.8 .786 1.7 5.5 7.2 1.5 2.0 0.7 3.7 1.8 18.1

Player D:
31.2 4.5-9.1 .494 1.1-3.0 .374 1.8-2.2 .825 1.1 4.9 6.0 1.6 0.6 1.7 1.7 1.1 11.9


Looks pretty similar, right? Any of those stand out as particularly more impressive than the others?

Player A is 21-year-old James Harden

Player B is 21-year-old Russell Westbrook

Player C is Kristaps.

Player D is 21-year-old Kawhi Leonard.

That's the top 3 MVP candidates.

With reasonably similar minutes, Kristaps has the most points per game, most rebounds per game, most blocks, 2nd best 3 point %, and 2nd best fg%.

He's 7'3, so I get that rebounds and blocks and fg% are in his favor, but the point is these players are not in different leagues statistically.

Those three improved dramatically, and what happens over the next couple years means everything.

So does this prove Porzingis will one day be an MVP candidate? Of course not.

Does it prove that he never will be more than a good player? Far from it.

 

[Chaplin]

If Porzingis were on the Suns, this board would already be reserving him a spot in the Hall of Fame.

That's not true AT ALL. Regardless how good a player is, Suns fans on this board tend to undervalue their players.

 

[Yuma]

That's not true AT ALL. Regardless how good a player is, Suns fans on this board tend to undervalue their players.

Bledsoe sucks!