Defensive Holding AND the Play's Yardage?

[Stout]

Since when to you get to accept the penalty for defensive holding AND keep the yardage gained on the play? Did anyone notice that play? The Bungles got the play AND the penalty. How?

 

[Brak]

Yep, I remember that play and wondered what the4 heck I'd missed. Apparently nothing - just another mystery call by NFL refs.

 

[DeAnna]

I noticed on other plays that after the penalty was annouced and the Bengals got lined up, they would then move them back. Makes me wonder if the Bengal were trying to see if the refs were not paying attention to the yard markers and thought they could get away with it?

 

[BillsCarnage]

Since when to you get to accept the penalty for defensive holding AND keep the yardage gained on the play? Did anyone notice that play? The Bungles got the play AND the penalty. How?

Hopefully the game will be replayed, so I'll have to keep an eye out for that one. There were a few head scratchers.

I noticed on other plays that after the penalty was annouced and the Bengals got lined up, they would then move them back. Makes me wonder if the Bengal were trying to see if the refs were not paying attention to the yard markers and thought they could get away with it?

My guess is maybe they thought it was PI?

 

[Brak]

Tonight, in the Patriots/Jets game: "Prior to the snap: Holding, number...." WTF? These refs need random drug testing, just like the players.

 

[NJCardFan]

Hopefully the game will be replayed, so I'll have to keep an eye out for that one. There were a few head scratchers.

I have Gamepass. Which play was it and what quarter so I can zip to it.

 

[Stout]

I have Gamepass. Which play was it and what quarter so I can zip to it.

Eh, it was pretty early. 1st quarter, I think?

Would a game log have a list of penalties and times of enforcement?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The play that bugged me was the illegal touching call when the Bengal player came in from out of bounds to catch a pass. How is that also not loss of down? It was 3rd down and the Bengals got to run 3rd down over again and converted. If he illegally came back in to catch the ball it should be the same as an incomplete pass.

 

[JCSunsfan]

The play that bugged me was the illegal touching call when the Bengal player came in from out of bounds to catch a pass. How is that also not loss of down? It was 3rd down and the Bengals got to run 3rd down over again and converted. If he illegally came back in to catch the ball it should be the same as an incomplete pass.

It was the correct ruling. This is from nfl.com on illegal touching. Its almost exactly as in the textbook.

http://static.nfl.com/static/conten...pdfs/11_Rule8_ForwardPass_BackPass_Fumble.pdf

A.R. 8.11 Third-and-10 on B40. On a legal forward pass, eligible end A1 is blocked out of bounds on the B36. He
returns to the field of play, catches pass, and scores.
Ruling: No score. The player became an ineligible receiver by going out of bounds. A’s ball third-and-15 on
B45.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I assume if you are an nfl cornerback, that you block the receiver out of bounds any time you possibly can.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The play that bugged me was the illegal touching call when the Bengal player came in from out of bounds to catch a pass. How is that also not loss of down? It was 3rd down and the Bengals got to run 3rd down over again and converted. If he illegally came back in to catch the ball it should be the same as an incomplete pass.

it's a dumb rule. it absolutely should be a loss of down.

 

[Buckybird]

It was the correct ruling. This is from nfl.com on illegal touching. Its almost exactly as in the textbook.

http://static.nfl.com/static/conten...pdfs/11_Rule8_ForwardPass_BackPass_Fumble.pdf

A.R. 8.11 Third-and-10 on B40. On a legal forward pass, eligible end A1 is blocked out of bounds on the B36. He
returns to the field of play, catches pass, and scores.
Ruling: No score. The player became an ineligible receiver by going out of bounds. A’s ball third-and-15 on
B45.

The problem with that rule as stated IMO is, if a defender knocks the opposing player out of bounds why isn't he allowed to catch or possess the ball? He didn't do it by his own choice so IMO the rule is hogwash. Now if you go out on your own that's a different story. IMO the rule is backwards

The rule is as bad as no calls for defenders for who crush & knock down a receiver going across the middle inside of 5 yards while running his route.

 

[Buckybird]

it's a dumb rule. it absolutely should be a loss of down.

Yessir. Stupid

 

[NJCardFan]

Eh, it was pretty early. 1st quarter, I think?

Would a game log have a list of penalties and times of enforcement?

OK, I saw it. It was Cincy's first offensive play from scrimmage. Dalton is forced from the pocket and gets tackled after a 3 yard gain. The flag is thrown during the run. The referee calls the following:

"Holding, defense, #21. 5 yard penalty added at the end of the play. Automatic first down."

That's a first for me because according to the rule, it reads:

Second-and-10 on B40. B1 holds End A1 on the line of scrimmage. Quarterback A2 cannot throw the ball and
is tackled at the 50.
Ruling: Not a forward pass. Enforcement is from the previous spot. A’s ball first-and-10 on B35.

Situation is similar with the exception being that Dalton actually gained positive yardage. But the rule states that the yardage is posted from the original spot. I've never seen this and further's my point that these officials are so bad that they don't even know the rules.

 

[WisconsinCard]

The problem with that rule as stated IMO is, if a defender knocks the opposing player out of bounds why isn't he allowed to catch or possess the ball? He didn't do it by his own choice so IMO the rule is hogwash. Now if you go out on your own that's a different story. IMO the rule is backwards

The rule is as bad as no calls for defenders for who crush & knock down a receiver going across the middle inside of 5 yards while running his route.

If the receiver is forced out of bounds he can the reestablish (both feet back in the field of play) and then be the first to touch. It was ruled that he went out on his own accord, hence the illegal touch. I also said in the game day thread that should be a loss of down penalty. It's not, but should be.

The defensive holding call was also correct the 5 yards is added to the end of the run. Just like a punt return, if the punting team commits a penalty they can add it to the end of the run as well. The rules are all geared towards the offense. The NFL believes that points equals rating/interest.

 

[Stout]

Except what happens if it's a 50yd completion, per se? I've seen that happen and the penalty is always declined. I'm still confused.

 

[TigToad]

This. if you're pushed out, you can come back in. If you go out to avoid a block, it is illegal touching.

If the receiver is forced out of bounds he can the reestablish (both feet back in the field of play) and then be the first to touch. It was ruled that he went out on his own accord, hence the illegal touch. I also said in the game day thread that should be a loss of down penalty. It's not, but should be.

The defensive holding call was also correct the 5 yards is added to the end of the run. Just like a punt return, if the punting team commits a penalty they can add it to the end of the run as well. The rules are all geared towards the offense. The NFL believes that points equals rating/interest.

 

[LarryStalling]

If a quarterback or punter goes out the back of the endzone, it is a safety. Does the same apply to a punt or kick returner?