Dennis Green = Marty Schottenheimer

[conraddobler]

Dennis Green is just Marty Schottenheimer the only difference being one has a reputation for fielding above average offenses the other has a reputation for fielding above average defenses.

Neither one will go anywhere in the playoffs because they both stink as imaginative x and o guys.

I realize that solid winning seasons would be a huge upgrade here and I would be only so dissapointed in getting Green but there is a darkside people and that is forget the Super Bowl he is a choke artist just like Marty.

Marty will eventually turn San Diego into the old Chiefs/Browns in that they will have a good record and stumble every year mysteriously in the playoffs and after so long people will get the hint and run him out of town but from a Bidwill standpoint it is a safe no brainer it means a full stadium and people so hungry to settle for that don't start whinning when you never sniff the Super Bowl I told you so here first.

 

[arthurracoon]

Once we start having a good record every year, then I will worry about the playoffs.

Remember,

Rome wasn't built in one day.

 

[conraddobler]

Everyone said that same exact thing in KC and then ran off Marty and one more way he is just like Green is that all the work Mac did on the Cap he will undo with malcontent afer malcontent and then it will hit a critical mass and he will bolt.

Why else do you think guys like Marty and Green don't mind picking up guys like Boston and Moss.

Bill Belichick is an example of a coach I'd get excited about or Jim Johnson or even Jim Fassel at least he has been to the Super Bowl you guys are going to regret Green and will fall into a clasic trap just because you are so hungry to win and you will regret it later.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by conraddobler


Why else do you think guys like Marty and Green don't mind picking up guys like Boston and Moss.

As much disdain that I have for Moss, I'd take him and his whiny ass in a heartbeat.

 

[WizardOfAz]

Originally posted by conraddobler
Why else do you think guys like Marty and Green don't mind picking up guys like Boston and Moss.

I thought the GM in San Diego signed Boston against Marty's wishes and there were issues resulting, particularly with the start the DB had this year.

 

[TheCardFan]

Originally posted by conraddobler
Dennis Green is just Marty Schottenheimer the only difference being one has a reputation for fielding above average offenses the other has a reputation for fielding above average defenses.

Neither one will go anywhere in the playoffs because they both stink as imaginative x and o guys.

Average offenses? You might need to go back and re-check that one. They were at the very top of the league almost every year. He did it with 7 different QB's and drafted some very very good players.

Can we work on a consistant winning record, then consistant playoff appearances, and then the Super Bowl? We have a long way to go before we can't be hiring coaches who haven't won a Super Bowl.

 

[Mr.Dibbs]

Dennis sounds good. They should still do the other interview, but Dennis sounds good.

 

[conraddobler]

Re: Re: Dennis Green = Marty Schottenheimer

Originally posted by TheCardFan
Average offenses? You might need to go back and re-check that one. They were at the very top of the league almost every year. He did it with 7 different QB's and drafted some very very good players.

Can we work on a consistant winning record, then consistant playoff appearances, and then the Super Bowl? We have a long way to go before we can't be hiring coaches who haven't won a Super Bowl.

I said above average you might want to actually read before you type. Marty also had a similar number one type defense so the analogy holds just on the other side of the ball.

I realize he won games but he also has a couple sealed settlements and a very ugly seperation to show for his time there as well as under achieving in the playoffs.

The goal is always to win a Super Bowl and you may not get there but coaches with his time in the league as the head guy need to be held accountable for failure to advance. He had teams that should in fact at least have advanced to the NFC championship game and he got there one time and was utterly annihilated by our friend Mr. Fassels Giants.

You can choose to like the guy if you want I disagree and think a guy like Fassel who actually made it to the Super Bowl with much less talent would be a better choice.

 

[pinnacle]

conrad......the Mizzou games sucks (at halftime)...

I am more for Fassell - but I love the dennis green quote that leonard davis can be in the pro bowl every when he makes up his mind that this is what he wants to do. The media will not love Dennis green here for the most part (the radio guys are mostly warning - do not hire him).....My issue is that daniel snyder may have his eyes set on fassel....and he will outbid us if he wants to...so if Fassel goes to washington....I suppose Green would be my 2nd choice..I wanted Romeo first......but I do not think we can error with a coordinator - and I think most of our talent is on offense - so we need to get that rolling....

But..I change my mind almost daily....

 

[cardsfan473]

Pile me on the Fassel bandwaggon.

I get more scared off of Green the more I really think about it.

He sounds very self-serving and I'm not sure we need another Buddy Ryan (who he sure sounds like to me).

I'd rather have someone who will come in "with their eyes open" to the way the Bidwills operate, and someone who has at least gotten to the Super Bowl. Fassel has worked with the Bidwills before, and knows the lay of the land.

The only thing that scares me a bit about Fassel, is the way his team quit on him the last 8 games. Every one of those players should donate their game checks to charity, 'cause the sure didn't earn them.

 

[NDSunsfan]

this is coming from a viking fan, so take it for what it's worth. seemingly the prevalent attitude regarding the vikes is they were successful in spite of denny, not because of him. 'the sherrif' as he's often referred too, was bad with the local media. he's still, to this day, habitually mocked and ridiculed on mpls sports radio. not that that makes a difference in winning games, but i think that has a lot to do with him getting the boot after one bad season. he had nothing else going for him. plus he's still collecting a check from the vikes. (through this year i think)

there are a couple of quotes from denny that are played every day on the radio in mpls. my favorite goes something like, "I listen to music and read the USA Today and the NY Times. I don't read much else. The great thing about America is that everyone has an opinion, but the other great thing is that you don't have to listen to them."

He talks a good game on espn, etc., but apparently was real bad to deal with from the local media standpoint.

Plus, all the talk about his multiple QB's. Most were throwing to Cris Carter and some to Randy Moss and Cris Carter. And handing the ball off to Robert Smith behind a great offensive line. Billick was the offensive 'genius', according to conventional wisdom.

As a lifelong Vikings fan, Sundays game was tough. I've disconnected from them ever since the missed field goal vs. Atlanta and Denny taking a knee in the last minute to send that game into overtime---while he had the highest scoring offense in NFL history on the field. That game ended my passion for the Vikes, but I still hope they win. It was cool to see your Cards come back. It was definitely exciting. Here's to your future.

Brad

(really only posted because I've got a new signature, and I wanted to try it out. )

 

[conraddobler]

Originally posted by pinnacle
conrad......the Mizzou games sucks (at halftime)...

I am more for Fassell - but I love the dennis green quote that leonard davis can be in the pro bowl every when he makes up his mind that this is what he wants to do. The media will not love Dennis green here for the most part (the radio guys are mostly warning - do not hire him).....My issue is that daniel snyder may have his eyes set on fassel....and he will outbid us if he wants to...so if Fassel goes to washington....I suppose Green would be my 2nd choice..I wanted Romeo first......but I do not think we can error with a coordinator - and I think most of our talent is on offense - so we need to get that rolling....

But..I change my mind almost daily....

Yeah Mizzou isn't playing well and that stinks but oh well.

I don't care too much if they hire Green he will win and we need wins but it will irk me to no end cause I just don't like the guy. Oh well it could be worse and come on Mizzou just at least try.

 

[NDSunsfan]

i'm trying to think of the 7 qb's. here's my list:

jim mcmahon--won superbowl prior to coming to vikes.

rich gannon--was mvp and played in superbowl after vikes.

brad johnson--won superbowl after he left vikes

randall cunningham--played great for the vikes, but was already a proven commodity with lots of experience.

jeff george--had a huge year. somebody on the vikes deserves some credit here.

daunte culpepper--big, strong dude. good draft choice, but he was drafted when they had both cunningham and george.

can't remember the 7th. maybe was wade wilson in denny's beginning. if so, he had been with the vikes for several years. kind of the danny white effect.

don't really know what the point of the post is. not too positive or negative. green was pliable, and able to plug players into his 'system' for whatever that's worth.

3 posts on the cardinals board. how many before i'm a real fan?

Brad

 

[AzCards21]

ND,
How much of that is pure frustration at not getting the ultimate prize?

I grew up in Denver and know how the Super Bowl losses affected the fans. It got to the point many were saying such stupid things as "If we aren't going to win I prefer we don't make it at all".

I think perinnial winners that don't get the championship get deluded. Like making the playoffs is a given and expected. Denver, Minnesota and Buffalo fall into that group. Denver is out now since they won twice but it's still a stigma.

Funny how expectations change with success. Any year for those three without a Super Bowl Championship is failure. We just want to join the group of playoff losers. Lets go 11-5 a couple years and get blown out. Expectations can change from there.

 

[artp]

Both Dennis Green and Marty Schottenheimer have more Playoff appearances in any 3 years than the entier Cardinal franchise has in forever. If we can get Green, it will be huge for the franchise.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Originally posted by cardsfan473

The only thing that scares me a bit about Fassel, is the way his team quit on him the last 8 games. Every one of those players should donate their game checks to charity, 'cause the sure didn't earn them.

Thats why I do not want Fassell, I cant stan to watch players just give up and quit on their coach. These past 2 seasons it happened to often.

 

[NDSunsfan]

ND,
How much of that is pure frustration at not getting the ultimate prize?

yeah, you're probably right. but, still, every fan thinks their team can make the playoffs and with the last 3 years of the vikes, it's gotten frustrating. truly, the '98 15-1 season really killed a lot of fans. to be so close and lose is not good. probably still better than never getting there.

i've faced it. the vikes aren't that good. they don't have very good players (especially on defense and special teams). it's tough to be as good as fans would like.

but that's getting off the subject. i don't follow the cardinals at all. but it would be exciting to see another team rise up. hopefully, any new coach will at least bring some excitement and optimism.

the cards sure played with heart on Sunday.

Brad

 

[CaliCards]

Originally posted by NDSunsfan
i'm trying to think of the 7 qb's. here's my list:

jim mcmahon--won superbowl prior to coming to vikes.

rich gannon--was mvp and played in superbowl after vikes.

brad johnson--won superbowl after he left vikes

randall cunningham--played great for the vikes, but was already a proven commodity with lots of experience.

jeff george--had a huge year. somebody on the vikes deserves some credit here.

daunte culpepper--big, strong dude. good draft choice, but he was drafted when they had both cunningham and george.

can't remember the 7th. maybe was wade wilson in denny's beginning. if so, he had been with the vikes for several years. kind of the danny white effect.

don't really know what the point of the post is. not too positive or negative. green was pliable, and able to plug players into his 'system' for whatever that's worth.

3 posts on the cardinals board. how many before i'm a real fan?

Brad

I think the 7th QB was Shaun Salsbury (sp).

 

[TheCardFan]

Re: Re: Re: Dennis Green = Marty Schottenheimer

Originally posted by conraddobler
I said above average you might want to actually read before you type. Marty also had a similar number one type defense so the analogy holds just on the other side of the ball.

Ok...above average is still not accurate. He had an elite offense with 7 different QB's and is a very very good evaluater of talent.

Fassell stuck with Danny Kannel, Kent Graham, Dave Brown, and then went after Kerry Collins when nobody else wanted him.

Went to the Super Bowl with less talent? The Giants defense is what got them to the Super Bowl...they were not dominant? It's his offense that sucked.