Draft 2012 - The first 12?

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It's a fun exercise to guess where prospect 'X' or 'Y' may end up, but, frankly, it's a bit irrelevant to the draft outcome for a fan of a specific team.

The more important exercise, I'd argue, is naming the individuals who will be selected before one's pick as only then does one have a true sense of who could be selected by the Cards.

So here is my 12, in no specific order, that I think will be off the board when the Cards select:

After Day One - someone will have the bragging rights!


  1. Blackmon
  2. Brockers
  3. Claiborne
  4. Coples
  5. Ingram
  6. Kahlil
  7. Kuechly
  8. Luck
  9. RG 111
  10. Reiff
  11. Richardson
  12. Tannehill
Your 12?
 

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1. Luck
2. RG3
3. Kalil
4. Blackmon
5. Claiborne
6. Tannehill
7. Reiff
8. Richardson
9. DeCastro
10. Brokers
11. Upshaw
12. Ingram
 

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1. Luck
2. RGIII
3. Kalil
4. Richardson
5. Claiborne
6. Blackmon
7. Ingram
8. Tannehill
9. Coples
10. Reiff
11 Brockers
12.Kuechly
 

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I am going to base my on 12 on value.

1. Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor. He's the epitome of today's athletic QB who can pass from the pocket and on the run. His arm strength is superb---and he has a great sense of timing and how to buy the extra time he needs with his feet.

2. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford. The epitome of the game general---smart as they come. Is a lot more gifted athletically than people think. Could be the next Tom Brady.

3. Luke Keuchly, LB, Boston College. Best defensive player in the draft in terms of consistent production, instincts and fundamentals. Three down ILBers who can stop the run from all angles and excel in coverage over the middle are a rare find these days and thus are at a premium value.

4. Mark Barron, S, Alabama. To me he's the second best defensive player in this draft (best DB in the draft for sure) and like Keuchly he provides you with something rare: the ability to be a game changing factor versus both the run and the pass. His versatility is a DC's dream come true. he would have been the best CB at Alabama had they played him there---but, they loved his versatility so much that they made him their "spy" or "rover".

5. Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford. Best pass catcher in the draft, bar none. Has the size, hand to eye coordination and speed (4.4) you drool over. I don't care if he's not a good blocker---that's not what his value is. His value is in commanding the middle of the football field and forcing teams to play their safeties honest and tight. Thus, he opens up the field for everyone else---and when you get into the red zone and you can isolate him one-on-one, he's a mismatch nightmare a la Rob Gronkowski who scored 17 TDs last year. Fleener nearly had one TD a game himself last year. I see Fleener as the top offensive game changer skill player in this draft which is why a rate him this highly.

6. Riley Reiff, T, Iowa. Having spent more time than I probably should have comparing tapes of Reiff and Kalil---Reiff stands out to me as a more physical run blocker and equally agile and consistent pass protector---in fact I saw Reiff maul more DEs in pass pro than I did from Kalil. I also realized that Reiff over the past two years has faced much stronger defenses and pass rushers...and nothing or no one seems to deter him. The tape on him is so good---if you haven't seen it, treat yourself. This guy reminds me of Jake Long.

7. Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama. A consummate winner who plays tough and smart. He's a three down back because he is a triple threat. Barring injury, he will have a more successful career than Adrian Peterson, maybe not in terms of sheer numbers, but in terms of taking his team to conference championships and beyond.

8. Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU. A starter from day one---think Patrick Peterson only with a little stronger fundamentals coming in. I think Peterson will be the better player once he gets his fundamentals down, but Claiborne will be right there with him in Honolulu year after year.

9. David DeCastro, G, Stanford. Talk about winners---this guy simply will not accept defeat in any form. He's a hard nosed and technically polished player---not the greatest of athletes but definitely among the greatest of competitors. DeCastro was the best offensive lineman in the Pac 12, which is why I have him ahead of Matt Kalil, whom I think is solid, but not elite.

10. Melvin Ingram, OLB/DE, South Carolina. Has the total package---the speed and strength you want in an edge player.

11. Trumaine Johnson, CB/S, Montana. I think this kid is going to be special because like Mark Barron, he can play anywhere in the secondary and do the job.

12. Cordy Glenn, G/T, Georgia. Gifted player. If he gets with the right offensive line coach, he will be a dominant player at his size and with his blend of brute strength and foot quickness. Offensive linemen of his size almost always are stiff in the hips---but this kid has fluid hips and when he rolls them it is pancake city.
 
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I am going to base my on 12 on value.

1. Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor. He's the epitome of today's athletic QB who can pass from the pocket and on the run. His arm strength is superb---and he has a great sense of timing and how to buy the extra time he needs with his feet.

2. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford. The epitome of the game general---smart as they come. Is a lot more gifted athletically than people think. Could be the next Tom Brady.

3. Luke Keuchly, LB, Boston College. Best defensive player in the draft in terms of consistent production, instincts and fundamentals. Three down ILBers who can stop the run from all angles and excel in coverage over the middle are a rare find these days and thus are at a premium value.

4. Mark Barron, S, Alabama. To me he's the second best defensive player in this draft (best DB in the draft for sure) and like Keuchly he provides you with something rare: the ability to be a game changing factor versus both the run and the pass. His versatility is a DC's dream come true. he would have been the best CB at Alabama had they played him there---but, they loved his versatility so much that they made him their "spy" or "rover".

5. Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford. Best pass catcher in the draft, bar none. Has the size, hand to eye coordination and speed (4.4) you drool over. I don't care if he's not a good blocker---that's not what his value is. His value is in commanding the middle of the football field and forcing teams to play their safeties honest and tight. Thus, he opens up the field for everyone else---and when you get into the red zone and you can isolate him one-on-one, he's a mismatch nightmare a la Rob Gronkowski who scored 17 TDs last year. Fleener nearly had one TD a game himself last year. I see Fleener as the top offensive game changer skill player in this draft which is why a rate him this highly.

6. Riley Reiff, T, Iowa. Having spent more time than I probably should have comparing tapes of Reiff and Kalil---Reiff stands out to me as a more physical run blocker and equally agile and consistent pass protector---in fact I saw Reiff maul more DEs in pass pro than I did from Kalil. I also realized that Reiff over the past two years has faced much stronger defenses and pass rushers...and nothing or no one seems to deter him. The tape on him is so good---if you haven't seen it, treat yourself. This guy reminds me of Jake Long.

7. Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama. A consummate winner who plays tough and smart. He's a three down back because he is a triple threat. Barring injury, he will have a more successful career than Adrian Peterson, maybe not in terms of sheer numbers, but in terms of taking his team to conference championships and beyond.

8. Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU. A starter from day one---think Patrick Peterson only with a little stronger fundamentals coming in. I think Peterson will be the better player once he gets his fundamentals down, but Claiborne will be right there with him in Honolulu year after year.

9. David DeCastro, G, Stanford. Talk about winners---this guy simply will not accept defeat in any form. He's a hard nosed and technically polished player---not the greatest of athletes but definitely among the greatest of competitors. DeCastro was the best offensive lineman in the Pac 12, which is why I have him ahead of Matt Kalil, whom I think is solid, but not elite.

10. Melvin Ingram, OLB/DE, South Carolina. Has the total package---the speed and strength you want in an edge player.

11. Trumaine Johnson, CB/S, Montana. I think this kid is going to be special because like Mark Barron, he can play anywhere in the secondary and do the job.

12. Cordy Glenn, G/T, Georgia. Gifted player. If he gets with the right offensive line coach, he will be a dominant player at his size and with his blend of brute strength and foot quickness. Offensive linemen of his size almost always are stiff in the hips---but this kid has fluid hips and when he rolls them it is pancake city.

Maybe you have already said it, but if the draft fell this way who would the value pick be for the Cardinals at #13?
 

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1. Luck
2. RG3
3. Kalil
4. Clairborne
5. Richardson
6. Blackmon
7. Floyd
8. Tannehill
9. Coples
10. Reiff
11. Cox
12. Keichly
 
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It's a fun exercise to guess where prospect 'X' or 'Y' may end up, but, frankly, it's a bit irrelevant to the draft outcome for a fan of a specific team.

The more important exercise, I'd argue, is naming the individuals who will be selected before one's pick as only then does one have a true sense of who could be selected by the Cards.

So here is my 12, in no specific order, that I think will be off the board when the Cards select:

After Day One - someone will have the bragging rights!


  1. Blackmon
  2. Brockers
  3. Claiborne
  4. Coples
  5. Ingram
  6. Kahlil
  7. Kuechly
  8. Luck
  9. RG 111
  10. Reiff
  11. Richardson
  12. Tannehill
Your 12?

I would agree with this. The one dark horse could be Michael Floyd. I think he's our chance to get DeCastro or Ingram.
If it were to go down this way and we don't have any trade partners, who's your pick? I keep vacillating between Cordy Glenn and Upshaw. Glenn is a bit of a project for LT and his weight/fitness issues are a concern as well (re: Deuce Lutui and Allen Branch). Upshaw doesn't have a specific position but he can play football. Worst case scenario he plays SILB. I like the idea of a starting LB group of Schofield - Washington - Upshaw - and Acho.
 
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I would agree with this. The one dark horse could be Michael Floyd. I think he's our chance to get DeCastro or Ingram.
If it were to go down this way and we don't have any trade partners, who's your pick? I keep vacillating between Cordy Glenn and Upshaw. Glenn is a bit of a project for LT and his weight/fitness issues are a concern as well (re: Deuce Lutui and Allen Branch). Upshaw doesn't have a specific position but he can play football. Worst case scenario he plays SILB. I like the idea of a starting LB group of Schofield - Washington - Upshaw - and Acho.

Mine is just an alphabetical list of the first 12. Give me yours.
 

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I am going to base my on 12 on value.

1. Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor. He's the epitome of today's athletic QB who can pass from the pocket and on the run. His arm strength is superb---and he has a great sense of timing and how to buy the extra time he needs with his feet.

2. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford. The epitome of the game general---smart as they come. Is a lot more gifted athletically than people think. Could be the next Tom Brady.

3. Luke Keuchly, LB, Boston College. Best defensive player in the draft in terms of consistent production, instincts and fundamentals. Three down ILBers who can stop the run from all angles and excel in coverage over the middle are a rare find these days and thus are at a premium value.

4. Mark Barron, S, Alabama. To me he's the second best defensive player in this draft (best DB in the draft for sure) and like Keuchly he provides you with something rare: the ability to be a game changing factor versus both the run and the pass. His versatility is a DC's dream come true. he would have been the best CB at Alabama had they played him there---but, they loved his versatility so much that they made him their "spy" or "rover".

5. Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford. Best pass catcher in the draft, bar none. Has the size, hand to eye coordination and speed (4.4) you drool over. I don't care if he's not a good blocker---that's not what his value is. His value is in commanding the middle of the football field and forcing teams to play their safeties honest and tight. Thus, he opens up the field for everyone else---and when you get into the red zone and you can isolate him one-on-one, he's a mismatch nightmare a la Rob Gronkowski who scored 17 TDs last year. Fleener nearly had one TD a game himself last year. I see Fleener as the top offensive game changer skill player in this draft which is why a rate him this highly.

6. Riley Reiff, T, Iowa. Having spent more time than I probably should have comparing tapes of Reiff and Kalil---Reiff stands out to me as a more physical run blocker and equally agile and consistent pass protector---in fact I saw Reiff maul more DEs in pass pro than I did from Kalil. I also realized that Reiff over the past two years has faced much stronger defenses and pass rushers...and nothing or no one seems to deter him. The tape on him is so good---if you haven't seen it, treat yourself. This guy reminds me of Jake Long.

7. Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama. A consummate winner who plays tough and smart. He's a three down back because he is a triple threat. Barring injury, he will have a more successful career than Adrian Peterson, maybe not in terms of sheer numbers, but in terms of taking his team to conference championships and beyond.

8. Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU. A starter from day one---think Patrick Peterson only with a little stronger fundamentals coming in. I think Peterson will be the better player once he gets his fundamentals down, but Claiborne will be right there with him in Honolulu year after year.

9. David DeCastro, G, Stanford. Talk about winners---this guy simply will not accept defeat in any form. He's a hard nosed and technically polished player---not the greatest of athletes but definitely among the greatest of competitors. DeCastro was the best offensive lineman in the Pac 12, which is why I have him ahead of Matt Kalil, whom I think is solid, but not elite.

10. Melvin Ingram, OLB/DE, South Carolina. Has the total package---the speed and strength you want in an edge player.

11. Trumaine Johnson, CB/S, Montana. I think this kid is going to be special because like Mark Barron, he can play anywhere in the secondary and do the job.

12. Cordy Glenn, G/T, Georgia. Gifted player. If he gets with the right offensive line coach, he will be a dominant player at his size and with his blend of brute strength and foot quickness. Offensive linemen of his size almost always are stiff in the hips---but this kid has fluid hips and when he rolls them it is pancake city.

So no Kalil?????
 

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So no Kalil?????

This is his quote on Kalil.



9. David DeCastro, G, Stanford. Talk about winners---this guy simply will not accept defeat in any form. He's a hard nosed and technically polished player---not the greatest of athletes but definitely among the greatest of competitors. DeCastro was the best offensive lineman in the Pac 12, which is why I have him ahead of Matt Kalil, whom I think is solid, but not elite.
 

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Of the 12 who'll be off the board:

1. RGIII
2. Luck
3. Kalil
4. Richardson
5. Claybourne
6. Blackmon
7. Floyd
8. Tannehill
9. Reiff
10. Keuchly
11. DeCastro
12. Ingram
 

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Maybe you have already said it, but if the draft fell this way who would the value pick be for the Cardinals at #13?
IMO, if the draft goes the way he said, the best value available for the Cards at #13 is CLEARLY Kalil, without question. Aside from the omission of Kalil, I think his list is solid. But I think we have a snowball's chance in hell of Kalil sliding that far
 

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Pretty sure Mitch was just giving his top 12 VALUES in the first round. Not his top 12 PICKS.
how sure? I assumed since the thread is exactly what you think the top 12 picks will be, so we can speculate who the Cards could take out of who's left, that his post was who he thought would be actually picked
 

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Top 15 players in this draft as I grade them...not taking into consideration the Cardinals need or fit into their system.

1-Andrew Luck-QB
2-RGIII-QB
3-Morris Claiborne-CB
4-Matt Kalil-OT
5-Trent Richardson-RB
6-Melvin Ingram-OLB
7-David DeCastro-OG
8-Fletcher Cox-DL
9-Michael Floyd-WR
10-Luke Keuchly-ILB
11-Mark Barron-S
12-Cordy Glenn-OT
13-Donta Hightower-ILB
14-Stephon Gilmore-CB
15-Justin Blackmon-WR
 
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Top 15 players in this draft as I grade them...not taking into consideration the Cardinals need or fit into their system.

1-Andrew Luck-QB
2-RGIII-QB
3-Morris Claiborne-CB
4-Matt Kalil-OT
5-Trent Richardson-RB
6-Melvin Ingram-OLB
7-David DeCastro-OG
8-Fletcher Cox-DL
9-Michael Floyd-WR
10-Luke Keuchly-ILB
11-Mark Barron-S
12-Cordy Glenn-OT
13-Donta Hightower-ILB
14-Stephon Gilmore-CB
15-Justin Blackmon-WR

Ok - now pick the first 12 off the board.
 

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Maybe you have already said it, but if the draft fell this way who would the value pick be for the Cardinals at #13?

If by some stroke of luck the draft goes the way Mitch says, you RUN to the podium and draft Kalil in the same way they ran to the podium to draft Leinart.
 

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It's a fun exercise to guess where prospect 'X' or 'Y' may end up, but, frankly, it's a bit irrelevant to the draft outcome for a fan of a specific team.

The more important exercise, I'd argue, is naming the individuals who will be selected before one's pick as only then does one have a true sense of who could be selected by the Cards.

So here is my 12, in no specific order, that I think will be off the board when the Cards select:

After Day One - someone will have the bragging rights!


  1. Blackmon
  2. Brockers
  3. Claiborne
  4. Coples
  5. Ingram
  6. Kahlil
  7. Kuechly
  8. Luck
  9. RG 111
  10. Reiff
  11. Richardson
  12. Tannehill
Your 12?

Unless he is hurt I would bet my house, wife, dog and cat that Luck will go #1 to the Colts and likely RG3 to the Redskins. How could you possibly not have the Colts going with a QB like Luck? I think this is one case where I would trade all my draft picks for Luck. He is about a sure a thing in the draft there is with RG3 close behind. He is a difference maker plus and as most people say is the best QB to come out since John Elway.
 

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I would agree with this. The one dark horse could be Michael Floyd. I think he's our chance to get DeCastro or Ingram.
If it were to go down this way and we don't have any trade partners, who's your pick? I keep vacillating between Cordy Glenn and Upshaw. Glenn is a bit of a project for LT and his weight/fitness issues are a concern as well (re: Deuce Lutui and Allen Branch). Upshaw doesn't have a specific position but he can play football. Worst case scenario he plays SILB. I like the idea of a starting LB group of Schofield - Washington - Upshaw - and Acho.

If Luck and RG3 were still there after 7 picks I would trade anything someone would want to move up get one of them. How about three #1s and 2 #2s and any or all of our QB's?
 

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Unless he is hurt I would bet my house, wife, dog and cat that Luck will go #1 to the Colts and likely RG3 to the Redskins. How could you possibly not have the Colts going with a QB like Luck? I think this is one case where I would trade all my draft picks for Luck. He is about a sure a thing in the draft there is with RG3 close behind. He is a difference maker plus and as most people say is the best QB to come out since John Elway.

He's just picking the top 12 picks in the draft by ALPHABETICAL ORDER, not draft order.
 

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Reiff-Buff
Blackmon-Cle
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So far this draft makes more sense to me than the others I have seen. The only picks I am confident with are Luck and RG3 at the first two picks. After that I would be guessing. I am confident Richardson will go in he top 10 but after those three I would be out of my league and purely guessing.
 
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