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So, having thought a bunch about what the Cardinals are going to do come draft day, I think I have come to some conclusions. I have never thought the Cardinals have been very deceptive in what players they are targeting in the draft, and I don't believe this year is any different. My reasoning's for this statement: In 2011 the Cardinals traded DRC, leaving a hole at CB, and then draft Patrick Peterson. They did not sign a FA OLB, and then drafted Sam Acho. Needed a TE, drafted Huosler. So in 2012, where do the signs point?

We re-signed Levi Brown (OT), and the signed Adam Snyder (OG) who fits our profile for an OT, but his contract was also fairly low. We have Jeremy Bridges, Anthony Batiste, and DJ Young also under contract as OTs. What does this mean? We can afford to pull the trigger if an OT drops in round 1, but are probably looking to take a developmental OT prospect. Also, it doesn't matter if this prospect is a RT or LT, because Levi can play either side.

We cut Rex Hadnot, and have failed to re-sign Duece Lutui. Snyder did play RG in San Fran, but Arizona prefers smaller, more mobile OGs because we pull so much. What does this mean? We are drafting an OG, if not two, and one will probably be in our first three draft picks, if not the first round.

We re-signed Early Doucet essentially keeping the status quo at WR with Fitz, Roberts, Doucet, Sampson, and Williams despite a very deep FA WR pool. What does this mean? We are looking to add a WR in the draft, and it will be in our first four picks.

We let both Porter and Haggens go as FA OLBers leaving our roster with only Sam Acho, O'Brian Schofield, Antonio Carter, and Brandon Williams at OLBer. What does this mean? Unless we re-sign Clark Haggens or another vet OLB, we are drafting an OLB early, as in our first two picks.

So, in a quick review, the Cardinals will be targeting a starting quality OG and OLB in this draft, as well as a developmental OT, and a contributing 3rd or 4th WR.

What does this mean from a players front? Lets look at it by round.

Round 1:
Melvin Ingram - OLB - South Carolina
*My guess is Horton is lobbying hard for him because of his versatility, and the impact it would have in Horton's scheme. Also, I have to think Whis believes the defense is much further along than the offense, which means a player like Ingram might be able to generate immediate results.

David DeCastro - OG - Stanford
*DeCastro would represent the best offensive lineman available if he is on the board when we pick. He fits a huge need at RG, where we do not have a starter at this point in time. I imagine Grimm is pushing hard for this pick.

Cordy Glenn - OT - Georgia
*Fits the prototype Cardinal OT, and could develop behind Snyder until he is ready to jump in. Might be considered a reach at #13, but if the previous two players are off the board, the Cardinals might be forced to take him.

Michael Floyd/Kendall Wright - WR - Notre Dame/Baylor
*I rank both on here because it really depends on what Whis is looking for in a WR. If he wants a deep threat, he probably goes Wright and Wright has similar size to Doucet and Roberts. IF he wants another big bodied WR, Floyd is the guy and could be a matchup problem if he, Fitz and Housler are on the field together.

Round 3: (I don't believe either Shea McClellin or Amini Silatolu are available here, but if they were, they would be the picks.)

Bruce Irvin - OLB - West Virginia
*A player who is a very explosive edge rusher, but doesn't have a bunch of size. Irvin would represent a more situational player, but a welcome addition as a pass rusher.

AJ Jenkins/Nick Toon - WR - Illinois/Wisconsin
*I believe Whis prefers a more versatile WR like Jenkins over a more limited player in Toon, but again, it comes down to preference. This is a bit early for Jenkins in regards to projections, but I see him going earlier than expected.

Brandon Brooks - OT - Miami (OH)
*This is my Cardinal sleeper pick. He is a huge athlete and projects as a NFL OG, but has experience at LT and the size the Cardinals love at OT. This might be a bit high, but I see him as very similar to Cordy Glenn, and could take time developing behind Snyder at RT.

Round 4/5

AJ Jenkins/Nick Toon - WR - Illinois/Wisconsin
*I believe Whis prefers a more versatile WR like Jenkins over a more limited player in Toon, but again, it comes down to preference.

Senio Kelemente - OG - Washington
*A converted college LT, who fits in the style of DeCastro and Silatolu. Great athlete and with a smaller build, but perfect fit as a pull blocker in the Cardinal system.

Levy Adcock/Bobbie Massie - OT - Oklahoma St./Ole MIss
*Like receiver, this will depend on what the Cardinals are looking for. I give the edge to Adcock, because he has less question marks and fits well into the developmental RT. Massie probably projects better to the LT spot, but he is a "shorts" player, and comes with a ton of risk.

So, in the end, our first 4 picks are going to be OLB, WR, OT, and OG in some order.

My ideal draft in the first 5 rounds...
1-Melvin Ingram - OLB - South Carolina
3-Amini Silatolu - OG - Midwestern St.
4-AJ Jenkins - WR - Illinois
5-Levy Adock - OT - Oklahoma St.

My more likely draft in the first 5 rounds...
1-Melvin Ingram - OLB - South Carolina
3-Brandon Brooks - OT - Miami (OH)
4-Senio Kelemente - OG - Washington
5-Ryan Broyles - WR - Oklahoma
 

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We do have a starter at RG FYI.
 

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We do have a starter at RG FYI.

Is this the assumption of Adam Snyder again?

We will start SOMEONE at RG once the season rolls around. I just think that no one knows for sure who that someone will be.
 

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I don't know. As of now I think they have five targets at #13.

They are Reiff, DeCastro, Ingram, Floyd and Keuchly. F. Cox could be a darkhorse. At least one should be there.

In a trade down senario I could see them targeting more OT's, particularly Glenn or Martin but preferably Glenn. Their fall back targets could be a CB, probably Gilmore or Upshaw, Hightower from the Tide.

3rd round could be any of a Saftey, WR, OLB or OL. I think that they may have a few sleepers in mind. James Brown from Troy projects as a OG, http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1724805/james-brown

or the Cal tackle Mitchell Schwartz, who would tandem well with Snyder on the right side, imo. We may have to trade into the later part of the 2nd to get him though.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1273002/mitchell-schwartz
 

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I'm with you on the almost same pool of players.
First Round Pool(unless someone like Blackmon falls in our lap):
DeCastro, Floyd, Glenn, Ingram, Kuechly, Martin, Reiff

3rd/4th rounder:
Ronnell Lewis-OLB, Bobby Massie-RT, Brandon Brooks-OG/OT, Bruce Irvin-OLB(may fall further because he was arrested last week), Nigel Bradham-OLB, Mitchell Schwartz-OT, Brandon Mosely-OT, Cam Johnson-OLB,

5th/6th/7th:
AJ Jenkins- WR, Brandon Taylor-FS, Devier Posey-WR, Miles Burris-OLB, Boom Herron-RB, Desmon Wynn-OG, Donta Paige-Moss-OLB, Sean Richardson-SS, Chris Rainey-WR, Tom Compton-OT, Jerry Franklin-ILB, Levy Adcock-OT, James-Michael Johnson-ILB, Keeston Randle-DE, Andrew Datko-OT, Ryan Davis-OLB, Ryan Miller-OG/OT
 

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So, having thought a bunch about what the Cardinals are going to do come draft day, I think I have come to some conclusions. I have never thought the Cardinals have been very deceptive in what players they are targeting in the draft, and I don't believe this year is any different. My reasoning's for this statement: In 2011 the Cardinals traded DRC, leaving a hole at CB, and then draft Patrick Peterson. They did not sign a FA OLB, and then drafted Sam Acho. Needed a TE, drafted Huosler. So in 2012, where do the signs point?

We re-signed Levi Brown (OT), and the signed Adam Snyder (OG) who fits our profile for an OT, but his contract was also fairly low. We have Jeremy Bridges, Anthony Batiste, and DJ Young also under contract as OTs. What does this mean? We can afford to pull the trigger if an OT drops in round 1, but are probably looking to take a developmental OT prospect. Also, it doesn't matter if this prospect is a RT or LT, because Levi can play either side.

We cut Rex Hadnot, and have failed to re-sign Duece Lutui. Snyder did play RG in San Fran, but Arizona prefers smaller, more mobile OGs because we pull so much. What does this mean? We are drafting an OG, if not two, and one will probably be in our first three draft picks, if not the first round.

We re-signed Early Doucet essentially keeping the status quo at WR with Fitz, Roberts, Doucet, Sampson, and Williams despite a very deep FA WR pool. What does this mean? We are looking to add a WR in the draft, and it will be in our first four picks.

We let both Porter and Haggens go as FA OLBers leaving our roster with only Sam Acho, O'Brian Schofield, Antonio Carter, and Brandon Williams at OLBer. What does this mean? Unless we re-sign Clark Haggens or another vet OLB, we are drafting an OLB early, as in our first two picks.

So, in a quick review, the Cardinals will be targeting a starting quality OG and OLB in this draft, as well as a developmental OT, and a contributing 3rd or 4th WR.

What does this mean from a players front? Lets look at it by round.

Round 1:
Melvin Ingram - OLB - South Carolina
*My guess is Horton is lobbying hard for him because of his versatility, and the impact it would have in Horton's scheme. Also, I have to think Whis believes the defense is much further along than the offense, which means a player like Ingram might be able to generate immediate results.

David DeCastro - OG - Stanford
*DeCastro would represent the best offensive lineman available if he is on the board when we pick. He fits a huge need at RG, where we do not have a starter at this point in time. I imagine Grimm is pushing hard for this pick.

Cordy Glenn - OT - Georgia
*Fits the prototype Cardinal OT, and could develop behind Snyder until he is ready to jump in. Might be considered a reach at #13, but if the previous two players are off the board, the Cardinals might be forced to take him.

Michael Floyd/Kendall Wright - WR - Notre Dame/Baylor
*I rank both on here because it really depends on what Whis is looking for in a WR. If he wants a deep threat, he probably goes Wright and Wright has similar size to Doucet and Roberts. IF he wants another big bodied WR, Floyd is the guy and could be a matchup problem if he, Fitz and Housler are on the field together.

Round 3: (I don't believe either Shea McClellin or Amini Silatolu are available here, but if they were, they would be the picks.)

Bruce Irvin - OLB - West Virginia
*A player who is a very explosive edge rusher, but doesn't have a bunch of size. Irvin would represent a more situational player, but a welcome addition as a pass rusher.

AJ Jenkins/Nick Toon - WR - Illinois/Wisconsin
*I believe Whis prefers a more versatile WR like Jenkins over a more limited player in Toon, but again, it comes down to preference. This is a bit early for Jenkins in regards to projections, but I see him going earlier than expected.

Brandon Brooks - OT - Miami (OH)
*This is my Cardinal sleeper pick. He is a huge athlete and projects as a NFL OG, but has experience at LT and the size the Cardinals love at OT. This might be a bit high, but I see him as very similar to Cordy Glenn, and could take time developing behind Snyder at RT.

Round 4/5

AJ Jenkins/Nick Toon - WR - Illinois/Wisconsin
*I believe Whis prefers a more versatile WR like Jenkins over a more limited player in Toon, but again, it comes down to preference.

Senio Kelemente - OG - Washington
*A converted college LT, who fits in the style of DeCastro and Silatolu. Great athlete and with a smaller build, but perfect fit as a pull blocker in the Cardinal system.

Levy Adcock/Bobbie Massie - OT - Oklahoma St./Ole MIss
*Like receiver, this will depend on what the Cardinals are looking for. I give the edge to Adcock, because he has less question marks and fits well into the developmental RT. Massie probably projects better to the LT spot, but he is a "shorts" player, and comes with a ton of risk.

So, in the end, our first 4 picks are going to be OLB, WR, OT, and OG in some order.

My ideal draft in the first 5 rounds...
1-Melvin Ingram - OLB - South Carolina
3-Amini Silatolu - OG - Midwestern St.
4-AJ Jenkins - WR - Illinois
5-Levy Adock - OT - Oklahoma St.

My more likely draft in the first 5 rounds...
1-Melvin Ingram - OLB - South Carolina
3-Brandon Brooks - OT - Miami (OH)
4-Senio Kelemente - OG - Washington
5-Ryan Broyles - WR - Oklahoma
The draft was a couple months before they traded for Kolb
 

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The draft was a couple months before they traded for Kolb

I was going to make the same point. When they drafted PP they still had DRC and really didn't know how their search for a QB would play out. The draft was held in late April and the trade date for Kolb was July 29 after the new CBA was agreed upon.
However PP was by far the best player on the Board when the Cards picked him.
 

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I was going to make the same point. When they drafted PP they still had DRC and really didn't know how their search for a QB would play out. The draft was held in late April and the trade date for Kolb was July 29 after the new CBA was agreed upon.
However PP was by far the best player on the Board when the Cards picked him.

Yeah, it was the pre-season where they traded Tim Hightower then Williams was lost for the season and they traded DRC and Toler was lost for the season. Can't wait to find out who is traded this preseason so I can predict which starter is lost for the season. :bang:
 

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but Arizona prefers smaller, more mobile OGs because we pull so much. What does this mean? We are drafting an OG, if not two, and one will probably be in our first three draft picks, if not the first round.

DeCastro and Snyder are the same size at around 6'5" and 315. My 4and9er expert is in Alaska so I can't ask him but does Snyder not meet the "mobile" requirement?

Also don't most of their plays where they pull involve the LG? Where they've had Colledge and Faneca? As you pointed out neither Lutui nor Hadnot are lighter, mobile Guards and they're all we've had at RG under CKW/RG. So wouldn't DeCastro be a better prospect for us on the left side next to Levi?
 
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DeCastro and Snyder are the same size at around 6'5" and 315. My 4and9er expert is in Alaska so I can't ask him but does Snyder not meet the "mobile" requirement?

Also don't most of their plays where they pull involve the LG? Where they've had Colledge and Faneca? As you pointed out neither Lutui nor Hadnot are lighter, mobile Guards and they're all we've had at RG under CKW/RG. So wouldn't DeCastro be a better prospect for us on the left side next to Levi?

To my knowledge Snyder is not very mobile.

Teams generally will pull their most athletic OG, which most times plays on the left side because in traditional formtaions the TE lines up on the right side. Anymore, it doesn't matter. Ideally you would have TWO OGs atheltic enough to pull as not to tip off which side you are running to. We have never had this luxury, but I would not be surprised if we drafted DeCastro, to see him starting on the right side where he played in college and then flip to LG when we got rid of Colledge.
 
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The draft was a couple months before they traded for Kolb

It didn't seem like it was a secret the Cardinals were going after Kolb. I believe in collusion, so I'm pretty positive the Cards had DRC essentially traded BEFORE the draft.
 
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Is this the assumption of Adam Snyder again?

We will start SOMEONE at RG once the season rolls around. I just think that no one knows for sure who that someone will be.

I think the Cardinals are ok with starting Snyder at RT if they can add alegitimate RG in the draft, just as I think the Cardinals are fine to play Snyder at RG if they are able to add a starting RT in the draft. I'm pretty sure this flexability is the reason they signed him, because it sure wasn't for his tremendous talent.
 

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It didn't seem like it was a secret the Cardinals were going after Kolb. I believe in collusion, so I'm pretty positive the Cards had DRC essentially traded BEFORE the draft.

It's also just coincidence that the Cards had Richard Marshall signed the day after the Kolb trade even though they only had 2 days to get all that done. Way to go Human Snail. :p
 
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It's also just coincidence that the Cards had Richard Marshall signed the day after the Kolb trade even though they only had 2 days to get all that done. Way to go Human Snail. :p

Purely coincidence, I agree.
 
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