Eagles want a 2nd Rnd Pick for Mychal Kendricks

[Chopper0080]

I would offer a 4th as they are obviously not re-signing him. Get a proven guy, he will look for an extension. If you can get an extension worked out, maybe go as high as a 3rd.

Hell, even if you trade a 3rd, have him for a year, and then he signs somewhere else, he still will bring a comp pick back.

 

[juza76]

I would offer a 4th as they are obviously not re-signing him. Get a proven guy, he will look for an extension. If you can get an extension worked out, maybe go as high as a 3rd.

Hell, even if you trade a 3rd, have him for a year, and then he signs somewhere else, he still will bring a comp pick back.

this guy is very good,better then his young brother
he could fit very well in our defense

 

[cardncubfan]

I would offer a 4th as they are obviously not re-signing him. Get a proven guy, he will look for an extension. If you can get an extension worked out, maybe go as high as a 3rd.

Hell, even if you trade a 3rd, have him for a year, and then he signs somewhere else, he still will bring a comp pick back.

He's only 24. If he's that good why wouldn't you trade a 2nd for him? He's a proven player like you said & any pick would be a crap shoot. Is the extension the only thing that would hold you back? Just curious is all.

 

[oaken1]

hell...gonna use that pick on a young player anyway......

 

[Jetstream Green]

I'm telling you... having Chip Kelly have any hand in management is asinine lol

 

[splitsecond]

Last time I checked we signed Sean Weatherspoon in the offseason and will likely get D Wash back by game 5. We are building a winner in a window, and we need our draft to add to the future of the team after the window. Why spend a pick on someone who will hit the cap much harder than a rookie deal as of next season?

 

[kerouac9]

Not worth a third on a one-year rental for a guy who had a kind of good year two years ago.

 

[az jam]

Pass on him.

 

[Chopper0080]

Last time I checked we signed Sean Weatherspoon in the offseason and will likely get D Wash back by game 5. We are building a winner in a window, and we need our draft to add to the future of the team after the window. Why spend a pick on someone who will hit the cap much harder than a rookie deal as of next season?

I'm glad you are counting on Washington, because I'm not. He is on IR for all I am concerned. I don't make any moves or take any players with him in mind.

 

[Chopper0080]

Not worth a third on a one-year rental for a guy who had a kind of good year two years ago.

Disagree. He is better than a 3rd round ILB, you have the ability to re-sign him if he plays well, and if he prices himself out of Arizona, you get a comp pick for him. Now, if you aren't planning on addressing ILB in this draft, then you don't make a deal for him. But, if you are targeting ILBs in the first 3 rounds, make the move, especially in a poor draft.

ILB
Sean Weatherspoon
Kevin Minter
Glenn Carson
Kenny Demens

It would be pretty stupid to go into the season with this group at ILB, especially with Weatherspoon's injury history.

 

[az jam]

Disagree. He is better than a 3rd round ILB, you have the ability to re-sign him if he plays well, and if he prices himself out of Arizona, you get a comp pick for him. Now, if you aren't planning on addressing ILB in this draft, then you don't make a deal for him. But, if you are targeting ILBs in the first 3 rounds, make the move, especially in a poor draft.

ILB
Sean Weatherspoon
Kevin Minter
Glenn Carson
Kenny Demens

It would be pretty stupid to go into the season with this group at ILB, especially with Weatherspoon's injury history.

Bet you could get him on Saturday for a 4th or even 5th round pick especially if Kelly doesn't want him on the team.

 

[redheat]

Don't know why a team would help in getting Kelly more pics so he can get his qb

 

[Chopper0080]

Don't know why a team would help in getting Kelly more pics so he can get his qb

Because teams should be more focused on improving their roster over fear of other teams.

 

[TigToad]

Someone will get Mariotta, why do I care if its the Eagles? If they are willing to sell a player cheap (and seriously, who isn't lined up to trade with Chip right now?) then get in on it. If we get better in order for them to get their guy, thats better than another team getting their guy while we watch.

That said, I have no opinion on a Kendricks trade.

 

[kerouac9]

Disagree. He is better than a 3rd round ILB, you have the ability to re-sign him if he plays well, and if he prices himself out of Arizona, you get a comp pick for him. Now, if you aren't planning on addressing ILB in this draft, then you don't make a deal for him. But, if you are targeting ILBs in the first 3 rounds, make the move, especially in a poor draft.

ILB
Sean Weatherspoon
Kevin Minter
Glenn Carson
Kenny Demens

It would be pretty stupid to go into the season with this group at ILB, especially with Weatherspoon's injury history.

I actually think that you can get as good an ILB (particularly a cost-adjusted ILB) in the 3rd as you could get in Kendricks, you just have to select the right ILB to get that done.

If he plays well and you re-sign him, then you've screwed yourself by investing even more money at a non-impact position.

If he plays poorly and leaves for peanuts, you don't get a comp pick--or at least the 3rd I think you're projecting ("We'd get it back anyway").

ILB is the easiest position on defense to walk in and make an instant impact. Even in the middle and late rounds. It's incredibly stupid to invest resources there on anything more than mid-round picks and late-career discount veterans.

 

[Chopper0080]

I actually think that you can get as good an ILB (particularly a cost-adjusted ILB) in the 3rd as you could get in Kendricks, you just have to select the right ILB to get that done.

If he plays well and you re-sign him, then you've screwed yourself by investing even more money at a non-impact position.

If he plays poorly and leaves for peanuts, you don't get a comp pick--or at least the 3rd I think you're projecting ("We'd get it back anyway").

ILB is the easiest position on defense to walk in and make an instant impact. Even in the middle and late rounds. It's incredibly stupid to invest resources there on anything more than mid-round picks and late-career discount veterans.

Meh...we have seen the potential pitfalls in drafting these sure things like Minter and Arthur Brown for Baltimore. I also believe we have seen the impact of good ones in our system ala Washington/Dansby. We already have the discounted veteran in Weatherspoon who could leave next year as well. This is an average draft, and doesn't have many athletic ILBs with size. That is what Kendricks is.

In terms of his play, Larry Foote looked serviable in our defense last year. We have enough talent that Kendricks will not look awful. If he is an average player, then you re-sign him for an average deal. If he is great, then you either give him a big contract or let him get paid elsewhere and get a comp pick back (who knows what round). I guess I don't see the downside of this deal like you do. I know he will be better than Minter. I know our defense should play to his strengths. I know that 2 of the 3 (Washington, Weatherspoon, Kendricks) should work out this year, and give us the ability to be better on defense. After this year, then we have options, and can make the decision on who we want to keep long term.

Again, what is the downside if you are already going to use a 3rd or 4th rounder on an ILB anyway?

 

[kerouac9]

Again, what is the downside if you are already going to use a 3rd or 4th rounder on an ILB anyway?

I have no faith that this front office is interested in re-signing average players to average deals. If you've seen it happen with our own guys, point me in the direction under the BASK regime.

Basically, the best case scenario is that Kendricks is good and you re-sign him to a Top 15 ILB contract. So you'd be looking at a four-year deal that averages $5M per season. That's the best that's going to happen, is that you're out a 3rd round pick and you're getting a guy who plays a non-impact position and paying him $20M.

The downside is that you can get an equivalent player in the draft who is going to play for you for 4 years for a TOTAL of $5M. The last 2 years we've gotten John Brown and Honey Badger in the 3rd round.

 

[Chopper0080]

I have no faith that this front office is interested in re-signing average players to average deals. If you've seen it happen with our own guys, point me in the direction under the BASK regime.

Basically, the best case scenario is that Kendricks is good and you re-sign him to a Top 15 ILB contract. So you'd be looking at a four-year deal that averages $5M per season. That's the best that's going to happen, is that you're out a 3rd round pick and you're getting a guy who plays a non-impact position and paying him $20M.

The downside is that you can get an equivalent player in the draft who is going to play for you for 4 years for a TOTAL of $5M. The last 2 years we've gotten John Brown and Honey Badger in the 3rd round.

and now there are reports that we are probably using our first rounder on his brother Eric.

 

[oaken1]

According to nfl mobile.... Cox is available for trade as well..... I would like that one I think

 

[kerouac9]

and now there are reports that we are probably using our first rounder on his brother Eric.

Same reports were around about Daryl Washington, until a better prospect fell to us, and we came up to get Washington in the 2nd. Wouldn't be surprised if Kendricks was "in the mix" for the Cards--if they traded down.

 

[Chopper0080]

Same reports were around about Daryl Washington, until a better prospect fell to us, and we came up to get Washington in the 2nd. Wouldn't be surprised if Kendricks was "in the mix" for the Cards--if they traded down.

Sure...point being the Cardinals are apparently willing to spend on an ILB, and thus using a 3rd on a proven NFL ILB is not a terrible idea.

 

[kerouac9]

Sure...point being the Cardinals are apparently willing to spend on an ILB, and thus using a 3rd on a proven NFL ILB is not a terrible idea.

They're two totally different things:

1st + 4 years minimum - $5M total

3rd + 1 year

Spending a first for 5 cost-controlled seasons might be a better value than spending a 3rd on a one-year rental of a non-impact player.

The Cards are happy to hit singles and doubles in the draft, but aren't happy doing that with veterans.