Eddy Curry on the Block

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Paxson has only begun to tweak


By K.C. Johnson
Tribune staff reporter

August 29, 2004, 9:41 PM CDT

John Paxson took some rare days off last week, but he knows his work is far from finished this off-season.

With a little more than a month until training camp begins, the Bulls' general manager has several critical decisions to make, some of which could affect the franchise for years to come.

The Bulls believe they are better positioned for the future after drafting Ben Gordon and Luol Deng and signing Andres Nocioni. They could be right.

But even management might concede that the need to develop Gordon and Deng and to nurture Nocioni's transition to the NBA shifts the focus to the future rather than the here and now.

That said, mastering the following personnel situations would affect both the present and future, which is why Paxson is still on the clock.

What to do with Eddy Curry and Tyson Chandler?

Recent trade talks with Memphis regarding Curry were legitimate and serious, with names like Lorenzen Wright and Bo Outlaw almost making the Bulls bite on a larger package involving Eddie Robinson.

Team Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf, who met with Curry shortly after last season to impress upon him his value to the franchise, remains a supporter. That's why he has made it clear that Paxson must receive equal value in any Curry trade.

Curry will be a restricted free agent next summer and the Bulls want to avoid a repeat of the Jamal Crawford saga. One team—the Knicks—drove Crawford's price tag out of the Bulls' budget, forcing them to make a trade based more on financial than basketball reasons.

The trade value for Curry, who has alternately pleased and peeved management with his work ethic this summer, might be at its highest.

As for Chandler, his name came up in trade talks with Houston that were centered on Dikembe Mutombo. Those appear to have cooled for now. But Chandler's work ethic this summer has impressed management, so he appears to be safe.

Now Chandler just needs to stay healthy.

What to do with Scottie Pippen?

Paxson finally met with his former teammate last week in an attempt to compromise on the guaranteed second year that calls for Pippen to make $5.3 million.

In short, Pippen wants his money. Paxson wants Pippen's roster spot. Pippen still could be included in a trade if Paxson pulls off a blockbuster with, say, Curry.

Either way, it's unlikely Pippen will have any effect—beyond the salary cap—on the Bulls next season.

What to do with Mutombo?

Mutombo's agent, David Falk, has made it clear he doesn't want his client playing for the Bulls. But Paxson won't give the center away, and Houston keeps trying to include unwanted salary-cap filler in trade talks for shooting guard Eric Piatkowski.

Mutombo, typically a stoic professional, has a history of being prickly when he's playing somewhere he doesn't want to. Mindful of this, Bulls management has kicked around the idea of visiting Mutombo as a staff in sort of a recruiting trip.

The staff would try to sell the philosophy of hard work and professionalism that Paxson and coach Scott Skiles say they are trying to create.

What to do with the backcourt?

As of now, it consists of Gordon, Kirk Hinrich and some combination of Frank Williams and possibly Jannero Pargo or Chris Duhon. Unless Eddie Robinson is the answer as a reserve shooting guard—and he could be—Paxson knows he needs to acquire large, veteran help.

Luol Deng impressed enough at summer league with his tenacity and underrated quickness that he could even play some at shooting guard. But he's stuck in London with visa problems, limiting his off-season workouts at the Berto Center.

Paxson will be back at work there this week. Does he waive Cezary Trybanski? Does he waive Chris Jefferies?

With training camp looming, there are more questions than answers.
 

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Does he waive Cezary Trybanski?

LOL, maybe the Suns can bring him back.
 
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The question is could the Suns get Curry without giving anything of their core? (Amare, Marion, Q, JJ, Nash).

The Bulls are looking for a shooter at the 2 so Casey should be attractive for them and looks like a Scott Skiles/John Paxson hard worker.
Same for Jake since they need a center back if they deal Curry and Mutombo.

Mutombo, Curry, Jeffries for Casey, Jake, Eisley, Milos, Chicagos own likely 2005 lottery pick and cash.
Milos should be worth a future conditional first round pick. Maybe Charlotte would be interessted since they have the capspace to sign him and need a PG. So if Chicago had no interest in Milos they could probably get another first instead.

Even if Curry isn't a perfect fit he still has tons of potential and is much better than anything the Suns have at center right now or in the past. And probably more useful than Johan Petro or whoever they could get at center with the Bulls pick.

Curry/Mutombo/Hunter
Amare/Lampe
Marion/Zarko
JJ/Q/Jeffries
Nash/Barbosa
IR: Vroman
 
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The Suns should make a run for Curry, but not give up any core players. I really wan't the Suns to make a run at this guy. I will be disapointed if we here nothing about the Suns showing interest. To have a shot at finally adding a some what decent Center this late in the offseason. Casey, the 1st rounder and some filler would be fine with me.
 

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I really can't see Eisley being included in any deal for Curry unless they got someone like Joe Johnson. Their deal with the Knicks was basically for a bunch of cap room.
 

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From the sounds of this article, you can expect that any discussion begins at Joe Johnson.
 

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I dont know what the fascination is with Curry or Chandler. They are both awful IMO. Plus Chandler will never play in a Suns uniform as long as Amare is here.
 

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SameOleGee said:
Plus Chandler will never play in a Suns uniform as long as Amare is here.

This makes me chuckle. :) Are we that worried about our players egos these days? So much so that when one reporter gets bored and blows a story out of proportion we take it as law?
 

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I'm really not interested in Curry. Say what you might about the talent of the current Suns, this team has a great work ethic. Curry doesn't, which is why he is being shopped.

The reason Chandler is possibly available is that he has major injury issues. If healthy, he has the potential of being pretty good. But he is not "cheap" - his contract this year is $4.8 million and the qualifying amount next year as an RFA is $6.2 million. This is a chunk of money for a guy who played in only 35 games last season and has never played more than 24.4 minutes a game during his career.

Reports are that the Bulls are trying to use Chandler as bait to get someone to take on an ugly contract like that of Eddie Robinson.
 

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Curry's another one of those young, potentially awesome big men you'd love to have on your team, but you would hate to give up anything valuable for.

I think I read it here where someone compared Curry to Joe Barry Carroll. That's enough to make my cling to players/picks when Paxton calls my office.
 

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As a player, Tyson Chandler is a much better fit for the Suns than Curry. He's a better rebounder, shotblocker, and defender. He's also more mobile than Curry.

I consider the stuff about a rift between Amare and Chandler as pure hype--completely left out of the equation.

The biggest problem with Curry is that he will be a restricted FA next summer. If he plays well for us, he becomes too expensive for us to keep. If he plays poorly--well, what value is there in that? Looks like a lose-lose.

A JJ for Curry trade makes sense in that both players would be RFA's next summer. At least we wouldn't have to be dealing with two of them. But, Curry's style is not exactly what we need.

If Chandler is available, I say we take a look. Otherwise, hold on to our players and picks, and lets see how Lampe and Hunter develop this year.

It seems to me that Hunter has the tools to become exactly the type of role-player starter that we need at the 5.
 

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As a player, Tyson Chandler is a much better fit for the Suns than Curry. He's a better rebounder, shotblocker, and defender. He's also more mobile than Curry.

I consider the stuff about a rift between Amare and Chandler as pure hype--completely left out of the equation.

The biggest problem with Curry is that he will be a restricted FA next summer. If he plays well for us, he becomes too expensive for us to keep. If he plays poorly--well, what value is there in that? Looks like a lose-lose.

A JJ for Curry trade makes sense in that both players would be RFA's next summer. At least we wouldn't have to be dealing with two of them. But, Curry's style is not exactly what we need.

If Chandler is available, I say we take a look. Otherwise, hold on to our players and picks, and lets see how Lampe and Hunter develop this year.

It seems to me that Hunter has the tools to become exactly the type of role-player starter that we need at the 5.

I agree completely that Chandler is a much better fit for the Suns. In fact I don't think Curry is a good fit at all. I certainly wouldn't give up a lot for him. However Chandler is going to have have the same contract issues as Curry will next summer. They will both be restricted free agents.

Actually, if somehow Hunter was able to turn himself into a good center he could actually price himself out of the Suns range because they will have only the mid-level exception to use on him. They would have no Bird rights with him like they would with Curry or Chandler.

BTW I also agree that the rift between Chandler and Amare Stoudemire has been overblown by the media and people on the Internet. Besides players who don't like each other have been placed on teams before. As long as each player is good for the team they almost always work it out right away.

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Actually, if somehow Hunter was able to turn himself into a good center he could actually price himself out of the Suns range because they will have only the mid-level exception to use on him. They would have no Bird rights with him like they would with Curry or Chandler.

Joe Mama

If Hunter manages to prove he is worth more than Mark Blount, Etan Thomas, and Brian Skinner (all went for full MLE contracts), the Suns will probably be competing for the NBA title. :thumbup:
 

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Okay. Here's a really out there Chandler trade proposal. I was first thinking about a deal that involved Chandler and Marion, but then I realized that the Bulls don't need any small forwards, but could use a legit 2-guard. And the Magic just need players. So without further ado...here goes. P.S., it also gives us some good salary relief.

Chicago Trades
PF Tyson Chandler*
C Dikembe Mutombo*
SF Chris Jefferies
PG Jannero Pargo
PG Mario Austin
PG Tommy Smith
SF Eddie Robinson

Chicago Receives
PG Howard Eisley
PF Maciej Lampe
SG Cuttino Mobley
PF Pat Garrity
Own first rounder from Phoenix

Phoenix Trades
SF Shawn Marion
PG Howard Eisley
PF Maciej Lampe
Chicago's first rounder
Own conditional first rounder(lotto protected through 2005, top 5 protected through 2006)

Phoenix Receives
PF Tyson Chandler
C Dikembe Mutombo*
C Tony Battie
SF Chris Jefferies
PG Jannero Pargo
PG Mario Austin*
PG Tommy Smith
C Andrew DeClercq
SG Keith Bogans

Orlando Trades
SG Cuttino Mobley
C Tony Battie
PF Pat Garrity
C Andrew DeClercq
SG Keith Bogans
Phoenix's conditional first rounder

Orlando Receives
SF Eddie Robinson
SF Shawn Marion

Edit: Yes, it works under the cap. Also, the trade can't happen until the beginning of October due to various trade clauses from earlier deals.

Edit 2: I've been working from home all day so this is what I do when my brain needs a break from work. And no, I don't have a life.
 
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Orlando doesn't own a Suns first round pick and the price they are paying for Marion is laughable almost.

Chandler is not worth Marion.

And I think I would rather have Curry although Chandler if he reaches his potential would probably be a better fit.
But likely worst case with Chandler is that he will always be injury prone and not play or not get strong enough.

Likely worst case with Curry is that he doesn't get into shape to reach his potential but still is one of the best centers in the history of the Suns. He has legit center size already.
 

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Trade doesn't work. We cannot give a conditional first roudner since we owe SA one.


Also, the deal looks pretty much horrible from the Phx perspective. You claim it works under the CBA: explain to me what happens with 7 extra players we recieve. We certainly cannot fit them on our roster.


Basically you are proposing we send 2 first round picks, Marion (who looks like he should bounce back this year) for an injured underproducing Tyson Chandler, Tony Battie and junk?
 

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Am I the only person that thinks Chicago would never trade two centers, much less one, for what's on the table? Forget the names involved.

I thought the only reason Curry MIGHT be on the table was to make room for Dikembe, who is needing some extra special love to be convinced to play in Chicago. I can see Chicago trading Curry OR Dikembe, but not both -- all values aside.
 

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Orlando doesn't own a Suns first round pick and the price they are paying for Marion is laughable almost.

Chandler is not worth Marion.

And I think I would rather have Curry although Chandler if he reaches his potential would probably be a better fit.
But likely worst case with Chandler is that he will always be injury prone and not play or not get strong enough.

Likely worst case with Curry is that he doesn't get into shape to reach his potential but still is one of the best centers in the history of the Suns. He has legit center size already.

Sorry, Orlando was supposed to recieve it, not give it.

Trade doesn't work. We cannot give a conditional first roudner since we owe SA one.

Also, the deal looks pretty much horrible from the Phx perspective. You claim it works under the CBA: explain to me what happens with 7 extra players we recieve. We certainly cannot fit them on our roster.

Basically you are proposing we send 2 first round picks, Marion (who looks like he should bounce back this year) for an injured underproducing Tyson Chandler, Tony Battie and junk?

My mistake. I forgot about the San Antonio trade. We could send Milos in it's place. As for the extra players, most of them have very minimal contracts and some are simply draft rights. They could be waived easily. The trade also gives us significant cap relief and a genuine chance at a real center, while still holding a highly competitive bottom four starting spots. Also, while Chandler developed, we would have a much, much, much stronger center rotation, even without including Chandler in the discussion.

PG Nash/Barbosa
SG Richardson/Jacobsen/Bogans
SF Johnson/Cabarkapa/Jeffries
PF Stoudemire/Vroman
C Battie/Mutumbo/Voskuhl/DeClerq/Hunter/Chandler

That is 16 players right there, even after cutting Pargo, Austin and Smith. The next to go would be sorted out in training camp. Probably either Bogans, Mutumbo or Jeffries.

Also, Battie, DeClerq(and to a degree, Cabarkapa) could play some minutes at power forward behind Stoudemire.

The question is, down the line and in the short term, would you rather have this lineup, or what we've got right now? Personally, I'd rather have the one which might have someone who could play center.
 

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Am I the only person that thinks Chicago would never trade two centers, much less one, for what's on the table? Forget the names involved.

I thought the only reason Curry MIGHT be on the table was to make room for Dikembe, who is needing some extra special love to be convinced to play in Chicago. I can see Chicago trading Curry OR Dikembe, but not both -- all values aside.

They would still have Antonio Davis and Curry. Also, from all indicated reports, Mutumbo doesn't want to play in Chicago and the Bulls haven't given much indication that they want him to.
 
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Looks in shape to me and also got rid off those corn rows.

I read he is already down to 290lbs or so again.

Joe Johnson, Howard Eisley and Chicagos pick for Eddy Curry and Scottie Pippen? I guess that would be the most I would consider to offer because I am afraid JJ will take a backseat again and like Curry will command a new contract next year or an extension this year.
 
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There are absolutely no Suns rumors out there on the other hand. No more talk about Shawn Marion being available or the Suns looking at any centers while the Grizzlies are consistantly linked to Curry.
I am holding out hope that Scott Williams will not be the last big man we acquire. We should be able to get an upgrade at center with the Chicago pick and Zarko, Casey, Eisley... it's not like we need an above average center to upgrade.

Even Gambo seems to be absolutely quite?
 

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Other than Scott Williams, I can't see the Suns making any deals until after a few weeks of training camp.

As a rule, the Suns typically sign at least four or five guys as training camp fodder who are unlikely to make the final roster. I haven't even heard discussion of who these guys might be.
 
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