End of season awards

[Joe Mama]

Most Valuable Player:
Kevin Garnett

Rookie of the Year:
Amare Stoudemire

Defensive Player of the Year:
Ben Wallace

Coach of the Year:
Jerry Sloan

GM of the Year:
Scott Layden
really it should be a guy from Sacramento whose name is escaping me

Sixth Man of the Year:
Michael Redd

Most Improved Player:
Gilbert Arenas

All NBA First Team:
Shaquille O'Neal
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Tracy McGrady
Kobe Bryant

All NBA Defensive First Team:
Ben Wallace
Kevin Garnett
Ron Artest
Kobe Bryant
Jason Kidd

Now that I've shown you mine I want to see all of yours.

Joe Mama

 

[elindholm]

Now that I've shown you mine I want to see all of yours.

I used to try that line in high school, but it never worked.

 

[JS22]

Damnit I thought that was real.

MVP
Tim Duncan

Rookie of the Year
Amare Stoudemire

Defensive Player of the Year
Ben Wallace

Coach of the Year
Rick Carlisle

GM of the Year
Kings GM. Name escapes me also

Sixth Man of the Year
Michael Redd

Most Improved Player
Gilbert Arenas

NBA First Team
Shaquille O'neal
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Tracy McGrady
Kobe Bryant

NBA Second Team
Ben Wallace
Dirk Nowitzki
Shawn Marion
Paul Pierce
Stephon Marbury

NBA Third Team
Brad Miller
Chris Webber
Shawn Marion
Jason Kidd
Allen Iverson

Honorable Mention Team (IE: Almost good enough)
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Jermaine O'neal
Antawn Jamison
Ricky Davis
Ray Allen

All NBA Defensive First Team
Ben Wallace
Kevin Garnett
Shawn Marion (Look at the Numbers)
Tracy McGrady
Kobe Bryant

All Rookie Team
Yao Ming
Amare Stoudemire
Caron Butler
Gordan Giricek
Jay Williams

 

[S_Nash]

Most Valuable Player:
Tim Duncan (I'd love for Kobe to win it)

Rookie of the Year:
Amare Stoudemire

Defensive Player of the Year:
Ben Wallace (Marion a darkhorse)

Coach of the Year:
Eric Musselhead

GM of the Year:
Bryan Colangelo (Snagged Amare with #9)

Sixth Man of the Year:
Al Harrington or Nick Van Exel (Woulda been B-Jax had Bibby played more games)

Most Improved Player:
Troy Murphy (Who won this award last year?)

All NBA First Team:
Shaquille O'Neal
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Tracy McGrady
Kobe Bryant

All NBA Second Team:
Ben Wallace
Chris Webber
Dirk Nowitzki
Allen Iverson
Jason Kidd

All NBA Third Team:
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Jermaine O'Neal
Shawn Marion
Ricky Davis
Stephon Marbury

All Defensive Team:
Ben Wallace
Kevin Garnett
Bruce Bowen
Ron Artest
Jason Kidd

All Rookie Team:
Yao Ming
Amare Stoudemire
Caron Butler
Gordan Giricek
Emmanuel Ginobilli

**Boozer and Gooden unlucky**

Watch for J.R Bremer next year!

 

[JS22]

Please tell me why Kidd deserves to be ahead of Marbury?

..and Ricky Davis over Pierce?

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

the kings gm is geoff pietree i believe.

Ill only throw a couple of my awards, to tired to do the full list...

MVP - Garnett

ROY - Amare

Defensive Player - Ben Wallace

Coach - Carlisle

GM - Colangelo (Amare, Marbury, Marion locked up, Bo for nothing, JJ trade) - (I dont think he will win this year, maybe next year though)

6 Man - Bobby Jackson

Most Improved - Gilbert Arenas


First Team
Shaq , Kobe, TMAC, Garnett, Duncan

Second Team
Dirk, Wallace, Webber, Stephon, Kidd

Third Team
J. Oneal, Marion, AI, Pierce, I refuse to name a 3rd center

Rookie Team

Amare, Yao, Butler, Hilario, Ginobili


Ok so I did a lot more then I thought of

 

[slinslin]

MVP - Tim Duncan
DPOY- Kevin Garnett
MIP - Ricky Davis
ROY - Amare Stoudemire
6th Man - Nick van Exel
COY - Eric Musselman
GM - Bryan Colangelo

NBA first team
Shaq
Duncan
Garnett
TMac
Kobe

second team
Wallace
Webber
Nowitzki
Marbury
Iverson

third team
JO'Neal
Marion
Pierce
Kidd
Nash

Defensive first team
Wallace
Garnett
Marion
Artest
Christie

second team
Shaq
Duncan
Outlaw
Kobe
Iverson

 

[S_Nash]

Originally posted by WastedFate
Please tell me why Kidd deserves to be ahead of Marbury?

..and Ricky Davis over Pierce?

I picked Jason Kidd over Stephon Marbury, because Jason Kidd statistically had the better year. They basically had the same type of team around eachother; Run'n'Gun SF, physical PF, and broken down SG's. They both made the playoffs. I'll agree that Marbury's intangibles are better (FG %, FTA, scoring..etc.) But the media will still say that Kidd is more deserving because *wait for it* he makes his team better. We all know that's not true, but it's what the media would have you believe.

I personally would rather have Stephon Marbury, but the fact is, Kidd had a better statistical year (Points+Rebounds+Assists+Steals..etc)


I chose Ricky Davis over Paul Pierce because he is more deserving. Davis came into his own this year, and towards the end of the season was averaging 20, 10 and 7. That's pretty damn good for a SG. Paul Pierce has been an above average player for 3 years now, and has done nothing in my mind to seperate him from the rest of those calibre players. (Allen, Walker, Stojakovic, Finley, Terry, Rose, Francis...etc)

 

[S_Nash]

More importantly, why did you have Ray Allen over Jason Kidd??

Please...

 

[PhxGametime]

Most Valuable Player-Tim Duncan
Rookie of the Year-Amare Stoudemire
Coach of the Year-Rick Carlisle
Sixth Man of the Year-Andrei Kirilenko
Defensive Player of Year-Ben Wallace
Most Improved Player of Year-Gilbert Arenas

NBA First Team
Shaquille O'Neal
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Tracy McGrady
Kobe Bryant

NBA Second Team
Ben Wallace
Dirk Nowitzki
Jermaine O'Neal
Allen Iverson
Stephon Marbury

NBA Third Team
Brad Miller
Jamal Mashburn
Shawn Marion
Paul Pierce
Ason Kidd

NBA Defensive First Team
Ben Wallace
Kevin Garnett
Ron Artest
Kobe Bryant
Doug Christie

NBA Defensive Second Team
Tim Duncan
Shawn Marion
Tracy McGrady
Bruce Bowen
Ason Kidd

Rookie First Team
Yao Ming
Amare Stoudemire
Drew Gooden
Caron Butler
Emanuel Ginobili

Rookie Second Team
Nene Hilario
Carlos Boozer
Gordan Giricek
Marko Jaric
Jay Williams

 

[Joe Mama]

Ricky Davis averaged 20.6 points on 41% shooting. He also averaged 5.5 assists and 4.9 rebounds per game. But he did all that for the worst team in the NBA. He reportedly was a cancer in his locker room, and let's not forget the classless intentional rebound.

Paul Pierce averaged 25.9 points on 41.6% shooting. He also averaged 4.4 assists and 7.3 rebounds per game. The Celtics have the sixth spot in the Eastern conference playoffs despite their management making one of the worst trades in history last summer.

I know which of those guys I think is more deserving.

I think choosing between Jason Kidd, Allen Iverson, and Stephon Marbury is very difficult. IMO Jason Kidd deserves to be on the second team (he would have been my MVP choice for the first half of the season), and it comes down to a choice between Iverson and Marbury. I would not trade Marbury for Jason Kidd either, but I do think Kidd probably had a better year.

All NBA Second Team:
Ben Wallace
Dirk Nowitzki
Chris Webber
Allen Iverson
Jason Kidd

All NBA Third Team:
Yao Ming
Jermaine O'Neal
Shawn Marion
Paul Pierce
Stephon Marbury

Joe Mama

 

[LakeShowMan]

Here are my picks with my preseasopn prediction in ()

Most Valuable Player-Kobe Bryant (Kobe Bryant)
Rookie of the Year-Amare Stoudemire (Yao Ming)
Coach of the Year-Greg Popovich, w/ Musselman a close second (Didn't pick one)
Sixth Man of the Year-Earl Boykins (Bobby Jackson)
Defensive Player of Year-Ben Wallace (Ben Wallace)
Most Improved Player of Year-Gilbert Arenas (Didn't pick one)

NBA First Team
Shaquille O'Neal
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Tracy McGrady
Kobe Bryant

NBA Second Team
Ben Wallace
Dirk Nowitzki
Jermaine O'Neal
Allen Iverson
Stephon Marbury

NBA Third Team
Yao Ming
Jamal Mashburn
Shawn Marion
Paul Pierce
Jason Kidd

NBA Defensive First Team
Ben Wallace
Kevin Garnett
Ron Artest
Kobe Bryant
Bruce Bowen

Rookie First Team
Yao Ming
Amare Stoudemire
Drew Gooden
Caron Butler
DaJuan Wagner

Rookie Second Team
Nene Hilario
Carlos Boozer
Gordan Giricek
Emanual Ginobili
JR Bremer

 

[JS22]

How is 18.7ppg, 8.9apg on 41% shooting better than Marbury's numbers? If you want to factor in rebounding then fine. I dont look at rebounding when it comes to a PG.

Im not trying to start anything but I dont get why people think Kidd had better numbers than Marbury this year..? Anyways you were right about Allen though. He should be on honorable mention, I accidently mixed them up.

 

[slinslin]

Am I the only one who thinks that Bruce Bowen isn't an elite defender in this league?

I mean a lot of players get absolutely hyped for their defense because their offense is so bad that you can only emphasize how good their defense is. That way a lot of ''good'' defenders are made out to be the best defensive stoppers.

There is no way Shawn Marion is a worse defender than Bruce Bowen although he spents a lot of energy on contributing on the offensive end as well.

The three most outstanding defenders in this league are Garnett, Christie and Artest in my opinion.

 

[LakeShowMan]

Originally posted by slinslin
Am I the only one who thinks that Bruce Bowen isn't an elite defender in this league?

I mean a lot of players get absolutely hyped for their defense because their offense is so bad that you can only emphasize how good their defense is. That way a lot of ''good'' defenders are made out to be the best defensive stoppers.

There is no way Shawn Marion is a worse defender than Bruce Bowen although he spents a lot of energy on contributing on the offensive end as well.

The three most outstanding defenders in this league are Garnett, Christie and Artest in my opinion.

Other than maybe Kirelenko of Utah, Bruce Bowen does the best job on Kobe Bryant. He just makes everyone he goes against work hard to get their shots. Plus, he moves his feet VERY well, and he does a good job of keeping people away from their favorite spots on the court. That is exactly what great defense is about.

Marion is an above average defender, but it mostly because he is long and a great athelete. He could do a better job of taking people out of their comfort zones and beating them to their favorite spots on the court. He has the ability to be a very Scottie Pippen-like defender, especially if he can become a little more physical.

I will agree with you that Artest and Garnett are the most outstanding defensive players in the league (Big Ben is up there too, just not as versatile as the other two when it comes to man-to-man defense). Artest is especially good at getting people out of their comfort zones (mostly 'cause he's nuts ). Christie is overated IMO (which doesn't mean I think he sucks, just not as great as everyone says).

 

[Joe Mama]

IMO Bruce Bowen is definitely a better defender than Shawn Marion. Frankly I think Marion's defense is somewhat overrated. He may be above-average, but I don't think he's among the best in the NBA.

Joe Mama

 

[SweetD]

I would agree he is soft on D and alot of times he gets beat of the dribble or falls for pump fakes all the time. Luckly he has long arms and can jump very quickly. He has the potential to be a very good D player as well. He still is young.

 

[slinslin]

Shawn Marion is definately a better defender than lets say Kobe Bryant.
Usually when he gets beat or falls for a fake he recovers fast enough to contest or block the shot.
He is 2nd in the league in steals and over the last 2 month he is averaging well over 3spg.

Shawn Marion will give you a key stop in crunch time when he is given the task to shut down someone. Like when he blocked Desmond Masons gamewinning dunk. Why do you think Adelman put Marion in there in the allstar game to shut down Jordan and not Bryant?

 

[elindholm]

Why do you think Adelman put Marion in there in the allstar game to shut down Jordan and not Bryant?

Being the best wing defender on an All-Star team is not the same as being one of the best defenders in the league.

Offhand, I'd say Marion is probably close to being in the top 10% of the league defensively. Of course it's hard to rate overall defense when you're looking at players from all different positions. He's not yet an elite defender, but he's getting pretty good.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

i agree marion is already near the top in the league, and will be moving up if he continues to work, but what about JJ? I mean this guy has urprised me alot. When Shawn cannot stop a guy he gets guarded by JJ now. He was on Kobe so tight when he hit those game winners at the end of the season, and he gave malik rose fits. IMO he is the biggest surprise defensively

 

[KloD]

Most Valuable Player: Kevin Garnett
(He is the Timberwolves , so I'd say he's most valuable to his teams success)

Rookie of the Year: Amare Stoudemire
(Yao is great, but he's the same as Arthritis Sabonis was...not a true rookie)

Coach of the Year: Rick Carlisle
(I'm not really surprised by Detroits success, just nobody else sounds better...so here you go, enjoy)

GM of the Year: Jim Paxson
(They've made it known they want James and bye Golly he made sure they had the best chance)

Sixth Man of the Year: Bobbie Jackson
(Not sure if he qualifies since he began the season as a starter, wish we had ended up with him instead of Delk)

Defensive Player of Year: Ben Wallace
(Nothing else to say)

Most Improved Player of Year: Troy Murphy
(Being a UofA Alumn I love Gilbert Arenas, but his minutes doubled and his stats didn't as much. Maybe they could share it?)

That's my thoughts for what they mean? Oh one I don't think I saw...
Biggest Rookie Flop: Mike Dunleavy
(What were they thinking, he still looks 15!)

 

[SirStefan32]

MVP
SHAQ O'NEAL

Rookie of the Year
Amare Stoudemire

Defensive Player of the Year
Ben Wallace

Coach of the Year
Greg Popovic

GM of the Year
Geoff Petrie

Sixth Man of the Year
Keon Clark

Most Improved Player
Matt Harpring

NBA First Team
Shaquille O'neal
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Kobe Bryant
Tracy MacGrady

NBA Second Team
Jermaine O'Neal
Chris Webber
Dirk Nowitzki
Stephon Marbury
Allan Iverson

NBA Third Team
Ben Wallaca
Jamal Mashburn
Shawn Marion
Paul Pierce
Steve Nash


All Defensive Team
Ben Wallace
Kevin Garnett
Ron Artest
Doug Christie
Kobe Bryant

All Rookie Team
Yao Ming
Amare Stoudemire
Drew Gooden
Caron Butler
Dejuan Wagner

 

[Joe Mama]

SirStefan, please explain how Shaquille O'Neal can be the MVP over Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett. Both of those guys put up better numbers and lead their teams to better records than the Lakers. And neither of those guys missed the large portions of the season with injuries.

Also, as much as I don't like Jason Kidd I can't understand how he isn't at least All NBA third team.

Joe Mama

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

IMO Shaq should always be the mvp. He is the most dominant player in the league. There is no real definition of the mvp, and I have always taken it as the most dominant and integral player. The lakers suck wuithout shaq. He wont win it again though.

 

[SirStefan32]

Shaquille O'Neal is the best and the most dominant player in the league. Without Shaq, the Lakers are a terrible team. It looked like they were going to miss the playoffs. Shaq came back, got in shape, and destroyed EVERYBODY in his way.

I don't like the Lakers, I don't like Shaq, but the fact of the matter is that he is the MVP. An argument can be made that he was injured for too long, but I don't think that should disqualify him from the MVP race

As far as Kidd goes, I apologize, it was my mistake. I was debating between Iverson, Marbury and Kidd on the 2nd team, decided to go with Marbury and AI, and then I didn't remember Kidd for the third team.

Back to the MVP race- there is no "objective" way to measure who deserves to be the MVP. Some people look at the stats, some people look at the supporting cast, or the lack thereoff, some people look at the record. I think KG will get the award, but in my humble oppinion it should be Shaq.

Stefan