ESPN Radio reporting Sun's JJ talk of sign and trade with Hawks

[Toro]

Just heard that Suns/Hawks discussing a sign and trade. Can't remember the exact details but sounded like the Suns get a player/two 1st round picks/mid-level exemption.

5 years/70 million is a lot for your #4 guy. Tough call for Sarver. Call Jerry C and do what he tells you to do.

 

[George O'Brien]

Two unprotected first round picks would be tough to turn down, but heavily protected picks aren't worth that much. Also, we don't know who initiated the discussion.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Just heard that Suns/Hawks discussing a sign and trade. Can't remember the exact details but sounded like the Suns get a player/two 1st round picks/mid-level exemption.

5 years/70 million is a lot for your #4 guy. Tough call for Sarver. Call Jerry C and do what he tells you to do.

Depends on who that player is. If it's a guy like Al Harrington, Josh Smith, Josh Childress or Salim Stoudamire, perhaps it's worth considering.. Any of these players and two #1s, especially with as lousy as the Hawks have been lately, is awfully tough to pass up.

 

[The Commish]

For me, any deal involving JJ to the Hawks requires Josh Smith in return. I would also love to have Salim. He can stroke!

 

[JS22]

If this is true, then I think it's time to let JJ walk as long as the picks are unprotected. With ATL you are almost guaranteed two top 10 picks. (unless they pull a Chicago Bulls.)

This on top of the MLE exception and a player? If that player is Smith, Stoudamire, Childress, or even Harrington you'd have to seriously consider it.

If JJ would honestly rather play in ATL then I say let him. This really isnt a bad trade.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

For me, any deal involving JJ to the Hawks requires Josh Smith in return. I would also love to have Salim. He can stroke!

Hypothetically, what would you think of Phoenix telling the Hawks to keep one of their firsts, and to give up Smith, Salim and a 1st in return?

 

[JS22]

A few posters at the RealGM boards are reporting that the player is Diaw, but a few others may be included.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

If this is true, then I think it's time to let JJ walk as long as the picks are unprotected. With ATL you are almost guaranteed two top 10 picks. (unless they pull a Chicago Bulls.)

Precisely..

This on top of the MLE exception and a player? If that player is Smith, Stoudamire, Childress, or even Harrington you'd have to seriously consider it.

Even if Phoenix would only be acquiring his draft rights, Salim is still another one I'd be happy as hell to see thrown in to the deal.

I'd like Harrington too, but by all accounts, everything I've heard has him being traded in a sign and trade for either Curry or Chandler.. I suppose Phoenix could really play hardball with Atlanta and insist that he be included in the deal, but I'm not sure how much (if any) interest the Suns have in Big Al.

A few posters at the RealGM boards are reporting that the player is Diaw, but a few others may be included.

Diaw? I don't know what to think about that. Again, once those other names are mentioned, I'll be able to make a better analogy.. I just have a foul suspicion that it's going to be Diaw and some of their spare parts, which wouldn't even be worth considering.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

who the hell is diaw?

 

[Gorilla]

The suns should have the leverege in this deal. It should take a lot for the Suns to trade JJ to Atlanta. I hope Sarver is as savy as a bussinesman as campaigned.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

who is diaw?

 

[Chaplin]

who is diaw?

He's obviously a player on the Hawks, how hard is it to look him up?

 

[Treesquid PhD]

somebody's grumpy today...jeez

 

[Diamondback Jay]

who the hell is diaw?

He's a 6-8 guard/forward who was one of the Hawks' first round (21st overall) in the 2003 NBA Draft out of France..

In his career, he's averaged 4.6 points, 2.3 assists and 3.60 rebounds per game. His career high was 20 against the Knicks this year.

 

[George O'Brien]

Boris Diaw
Atlanta Hawks
Position: G
Height: 6-8 Weight: 215
From : France
Player file | Team stats

2004-05 Statistics
PPG 4.8
RPG 2.6
APG 2.3
SPG .56
BPG .27
FG% .422
FT% .740
3P% .180
MPG 18.2

He's mostly a defensive specialist. I cannot see him being attractive to the Suns.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

Thanks dude! if they did a deal it would stil be hard for the masses to swallow, it would have to be a very favorable deal towards the Suns with instant returns on the court to even be considered I bet.

 

[The Commish]

Hypothetically, what would you think of Phoenix telling the Hawks to keep one of their firsts, and to give up Smith, Salim and a 1st in return?

I would do that deal in a second, without hesitation. Especially considering the progress Smith is making.


Post # 420!

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Thanks dude! if they did a deal it would stil be hard for the masses to swallow, it would have to be a very favorable deal towards the Suns with instant returns on the court to even be considered I bet.

No doubt, it's going to take more than Boris and draft picks.. That's not a deal that's going to help the Suns, that's a deal that's gonna get someone fired.

 

[F-Dog]

Diaw's problem is that he won't (or can't) shoot. The Hawks originally brought him in to play PG so that Jason Terry could slide to SG, but Diaw wasn't good enough to make it work. He's got a habit of disappearing on the court.

Harrington is a SF who gets most of his offense from the low block. He's a little like Q, only taller and without the three-point shooting.

Josh Smith is a player whom the Suns worked out before last year's draft. The Suns then took him completely off their draft board (as opposed to J.R. Smith, whom they had on their draft board even though they didn't work him out). My guess is that the Suns still don't like him as much as the Hawks do.



The only player who makes any sense for the Suns in a S&T is Josh Childress. I don't see either side agreeing to that, though.

 

[Joe Mama]

Boris Diaw
Atlanta Hawks
Position: G
Height: 6-8 Weight: 215
From : France
Player file | Team stats

2004-05 Statistics
PPG 4.8
RPG 2.6
APG 2.3
SPG .56
BPG .27
FG% .422
FT% .740
3P% .180
MPG 18.2

He's mostly a defensive specialist. I cannot see him being attractive to the Suns.

Diaw is a good defender. He's also a very good ball handler and passer. I said in a post yesterday that I truly believe he's every bit as good as JJ in those three areas already... defense might be a stretch because I didn't concentrate a lot on the defense. He's longer and more athletic than JJ. I know I'm going to get killed for this, but I would take him over Josh Smith, especially considering his perceived value isn't as high. In other words the Phoenix Suns would get more along with Diaw than they would if they included Josh Smith.

Diaw can run a fast break very well. Where you lose big-time with Diaw and also with Josh Smith is their outside shooting. Both of them have been lousy outside shooters in their relatively short NBA careers.

If this report is at all credible (I have serious doubts) I will all but guarantee that Diaw is involved. As I said in that other post my first preference would be for the Phoenix Suns to match the offer for JJ. Otherwise I would like to see a sign in trade that has Diaw and Harrington coming to the Suns. However it's more likely that the Phoenix Suns would get Diaw, draft picks, and possibly the rights to someone like David Anderson.

Joe

 

[Dustbuster]

Call me a skeptic, but I think that this is just heresay. Of course this option is probably being explored, along with everything else. But in the end, it is ultimately going to make more sense to just keep JJ. The Hawks have nothing to offer, from Marvin Williams to Childress to Smith to anyone else that can have the impact on the Phoenix Suns that JJ can. Our whole backup PG system is apparently going to be structured around the idea that he plays it. Some have dismissed the situation you could count on one hand the players that could step in and fill JJ's role on this team. Our window with our presently structured team is the next three years, and it is pretty well universally agreed that if we replace JJ with anything else we are taking a step back, particularly this year.

Regarding draft picks: I love them, but the Suns have shown a complete disregard for the value of the draft in recent years. We would more likely end up throwing them in as dealmakers on other trades. And a midlevel exception: who is left that we would want to blow it on? Zaza might get part, but its a little late to be making a big splash in the FA pool.

One other thing: while we don't really need Josh Smith, our system would make him look better than he is. He would excel here in the same way that Marion has. Nash would make him look pretty amazing, and he will probably develop a jumper. He is still very, very young. Those physical gifts are unteachable. But I would still prefer JJ...very much!

 

[CaptainInsano]

I know I am somewhat rehashing my simple idea from another thread but Ill put it forward anyway:

Get rid of JJ for 2 draft picks and whatever piece of garbage you can get from ATL since I'm positive we won't get anything good besides the #1 draft picks.

Do something with the garbage player, trade him to the bobcats for another pick? LOL that would be a riot, but is it at all possible?

Pick up Gary Payton, his salary is I think 5.4 mil right now so you save quite a bit of money over JJ's ridiculous contract. You now have someone who can either come off the bench and play close to Nash's assist game while Nash rests (also upping the defense) or you can have him come alongside Nash and have a team capable of ball movement that will make every other team in the nba cry.

With JJ's departed minutes payton has absolutely nothing to worry about concerning playtime. This could all work out.

 

[Dustbuster]

I know I am somewhat rehashing my simple idea from another thread but Ill put it forward anyway:

Get rid of JJ for 2 draft picks and whatever piece of garbage you can get from ATL since I'm positive we won't get anything good besides the #1 draft picks.

Do something with the garbage player, trade him to the bobcats for another pick? LOL that would be a riot, but is it at all possible?

Pick up Gary Payton, his salary is I think 5.4 mil right now so you save quite a bit of money over JJ's ridiculous contract. You now have someone who can either come off the bench and play close to Nash's assist game while Nash rests (also upping the defense) or you can have him come alongside Nash and have a team capable of ball movement that will make every other team in the nba cry.

With JJ's departed minutes payton has absolutely nothing to worry about concerning playtime. This could all work out.

Uggghhh. And what about the future? An aging cancer with declining skills vs. a up and coming multitalented young stud who most think will be a future cornerstone of this team along with Amare. And BTW, Payton is still a FA right now, so he has no contract or salary.

 

[asudevil83]

Josh Smith/Diaw/Salim for JJ/Barbs/Thompson would make me happy. even Smith/Diaw or Salim for JJ would be ok.

Smith would be great. he REALLY picked it up during the last month of last season. he averaged 16/10/2, shooting 45.5% from the field. THAT'S impressive for a 19 year old.

Diaw would also be a nice pickup. he's really kinda put towards the back with the immergence of Smith/Childress. but i think he'd be a decent addition to the ballclub.

Salim would be one of those instant offence type guys that would come off the bench and just score. i'd not sure about his playmaking abilities, but i'm sure he'd be better at distributing than barbosa.

the biggest thing with trading JJ is that we'd 1.) get our MLE back. i think we would have the ability to sign Bell without using the MLE. 2.) we'd be keeping Marion. i'm tired of the rumors, and would just like to see something difinitive.....either we know we are going to keep him, or we trade him. here we'd be pretty much know for a fact that he's staying.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

well I am one of those who thinks payton is not an impact player anymore, if you keep trading away your younger stud players and fill the gaps with old ones(and Payton is old) then your limiting your window to pretty much 1 year, and your chances of everything going right for one year and winning it all are pretty slim.

With JJ in fold you have two young studs to build around and replace parts as you see fit. I think Marion is a great player but I would rather see him go over JJ becuase he is getting close to 30 once his legs start to go in the new 2-5 years I am not sure he is an All Star caliber player, it might be in the suns best interest to move him in the next few years while his value is high.