ESPN's source: "Amare's gone"

[Griffin]

ESPN reports that a source close to the Suns said Amare won't re-sign with the Suns. It is unclear whether this would be because the Suns won't offer him what he wants or because Amare no longer wants to play here. I'm guessing the former.

"Amare's done," according to the source. "He's gone."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2010/columns/story?columnist=adande_ja&page=kerrsuns-100616

This second article implies that Amare is no longer interested in re-signing now that Kerr is gone. None of this is confirmed of course.

Any hope of the Phoenix Suns re-signing Amar'e Stoudemire(notes) has vanished, according to ESPN.

An ESPN source says that Stoudemire, who will choose not to opt into a contract that would pay him around $17 million next year to stay in Arizona, isn't even considering re-signing a long-term deal at this point: "He is done," the source said. "He's gone."

The final nail in the coffin was the stepping down of general manager Steve Kerr, who Stoudemire's agent had begun conversations with. "Kerr wanted a little raise, (owner Robert) Sarver wanted him to take a pay cut," one source told ESPN. "There's no other way to spin it."

According to ESPN, a second source said Kerr also wanted more money for the coaching staff, video crew, front-office secretaries and all the other people that helped produce a trip to the conference finals.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Stoudemire-quot-done-quot-in-Phoenix?urn=nba,249144

In related news, Amare reportedly had undergone MRI exams on his knees in Miami although his agent insisted that it was done for the Suns not the Heat.

Suns forward Amar'e Stoudemire had tests on both knees Monday at the Miami Clinic.

He has been at his offseason home in South Florida with agent Happy Waters.

Walters told The Miami Herald that he arranged for the MRIs.

The Heat have cap space to sign Stoudemire this summer, but Walters said he had no knowledge that the Heat also used the testing center and denied having any contact with the Heat about medical records.

"I arranged for the MRIs, and they are for the Suns," Walters said. "If I even thought that there might be a connection [to the Heat], I wouldn't have taken him there."

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wi...oudemire_has_knees_tested_at_miami_clinic/el/

 

[dodie53]

bye Amare

 

[cly2tw]

what relief! Sarver finally had his way! Way to go!

 

[AzStevenCal]

I still think Amare has been planning his move to Miami since at least just before the season ended. His public comments have all been Agent managed so as to not limit his marketability.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

The medical testing on Amare on behalf of the Suns implies a possible sign and trade, although this does not need to be the case.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I still think Amare has been planning his move to Miami since at least just before the season ended. His public comments have all been Agent managed so as to not limit his marketability.

Steve

I don't know. That may be his preference, but it doesn't seem to be Miami's. Granted, who knows what Miami really wants, but Riley is said to be preferring both Bosh and Boozer over Amare.

 

[TBaslim]

I hope we go the sign-and-trade route if we can get expirings and one young talent or draft pick(s).

If we have to take back a bunch of bad contracts or deadwood talent that we cannot move for pieces next year,forget it. Just cut the loses and move on at this point. Ensuring good team morale and vibe is going to be so vital in camp after how this summer is going. No reason to piss in that well anymore then has already happened.

Oh, and if Amare leaves, resign Frye to a fair contract if at all possible. Hometown kid, going to get somewhat better, plays well in the system. Oh, and tall.

Tall is good if Amare and Lou leave.

 

[TBaslim]

And for the record, I would much rather see Amare return at a reasonable, fair extension. It just appears incredibly unlikely at this point.

 

[cly2tw]

Sarver saves this franchise according to fans of this board by refusing financial irresponsibility to sign Amare at market price. Why should he pay market price for Kerr or any staff?

Amare will go Miami or Nets.

 

[az jam]

I hope we go the sign-and-trade route if we can get expirings and one young talent or draft pick(s).

Who will do the sign and trade deal? Sarver??

 

[Tyler]

Amare and all our picks for $500 and lunch at Don Shula's waterfront steakhouse in Miami.

 

[Mainstreet]

Sad to say, but last season's proposed trade with Cleveland is not looking as bad. At least the Suns would have gotten something out of Stoudemire (if he walks for nothing). Hickson and Szczerbiak's expiring contract would have been something.

 

[TBaslim]

Who will do the sign and trade deal? Sarver??

Great question. Maybe him, some intern and one of the lawyers can get it done. Who knows at this point.

Are Mark West and Alvin Adams still with the organization? I thought Mark was in the basketball ops part of things awhile back.

Oh, and the Van Arsdales too - can't remember if they are still involved at all.

 

[SunsTzu]

Sad to say, but last season's proposed trade with Cleveland is not looking as bad. At least the Suns would have gotten something out of Stoudemire (if he walks for nothing). Hickson and Szczerbiak's expiring contract would have been something.

The playoff run was worth more than Hickson will ever be imo.

 

[jandaman]

The Suns should get atleast a sign and trade done, Stoudemire should push a sign and trade if he wants that 6th year in his contract, its difference of $25+ Million dollars.

He has to.... unless its the best and most logical thing to do.

 

[Sunburn]

Sarver saves this franchise according to fans of this board by refusing financial irresponsibility to sign Amare at market price. Why should he pay market price for Kerr or any staff?

Amare will go Miami or Nets.

Totally with you cly. Why pay Kerr? Why pay for anyone? Just go down to the ymca and pick up a volunteer team and organization. Right? Pokerface could be GM. You could be the Head Coach. You could implement your vision of reducing Nash's dribbling and turning him into Stockton. Sarver saves money. It's win win right?

 

[elindholm]

The playoff run was worth more than Hickson will ever be imo.

Nice call.

 

[Chaplin]

Sad to say, but last season's proposed trade with Cleveland is not looking as bad. At least the Suns would have gotten something out of Stoudemire (if he walks for nothing). Hickson and Szczerbiak's expiring contract would have been something.

We weren't going to get Hickson, that's why we never did it. Cleveland didn't want to give him up.

 

[Cheesebeef]

We weren't going to get Hickson, that's why we never did it. Cleveland didn't want to give him up.

which only made their decision to ride pine during the playoffs even more baffling. LeBron gets a lot of crap for quitting (and well he should) but that franchise from the top of the FO to it's HC were just horrific. If LeBron leaves, that team struggles to win 25 games next year.

 

[Covert Rain]

The medical testing on Amare on behalf of the Suns implies a possible sign and trade, although this does not need to be the case.

It doesn't need to be the case but if Amare really is dead set on MAX money, he won't get the highest possible contract unless he signs with the Suns in a sign and trade deal. Something tells me Amare won't settle for the Max that Miami can offer.

He wants MAX IMO. So, I think that means sign and trade is more then likely. My problem is we are not going to get crap back. What does Miami have that we really want?

Something tells me the Suns would want to involve a 3rd team in any sign and trade scenario or we won't get much value in return.

 

[Mulli]

I am not thrilled with Amare as a Bull, but I would like it if the Bulls got Amare for Deng, Taj Gibson, and a first. If the Suns through in their first next season, unprotected.



Just kidding people.

 

[Irish]

It doesn't need to be the case but if Amare really is dead set on MAX money, he won't get the highest possible contract unless he signs with the Suns in a sign and trade deal. Something tells me Amare won't settle for the Max that Miami can offer.

He wants MAX IMO. So, I think that means sign and trade is more then likely. My problem is we are not going to get crap back. What does Miami have that we really want?

Something tells me the Suns would want to involve a 3rd team in any sign and trade scenario or we won't get much value in return.

I'm not clear EXACTLY what Amare is asking for. There is a big difference between $90 million and $140 million, yet each could be called max deals. More likely scenerios are in the $120 million range, but this is not the maximum anyone could offer.

I'm not quite sure of my numbers, but assuming a 10% growth Max would be:


$ 17,000,000
$ 18,700,000
$ 20,400,000
$ 22,100,000
$ 23,800,000
$ 102,000,000


$ 20,000,000
$ 22,000,000
$ 24,000,000
$ 26,000,000
$ 28,000,000
$ 120,000,000


$ 23,400,000
$ 25,740,000
$ 28,080,000
$ 30,420,000
$ 32,760,000
$ 140,400,000

We'll see what people offer, not just what Amare's agent thinks they should.

 

[Covert Rain]

Amare is asking for MAX. We already know that. If my math is correct:

Scenario 1
Amare Doesn't Opt out but gets extended (stays or gets used in a sign and trade) - Amare can get $158.48 million over 7 total years (option year plus the 6 year extension). This is the most Amare can get.

Scenario 2
Amare Opts out but gets extended 6 years OR we use him in a sign and trade (he can only get the 6 year contract) - Amare can get up to $133 million over 6 years.

Scenario 3
Amare outright walks and signs with another team - Amare can around 108 million over a 4 year contract.

So...if Amare walks and sign a free agent deal, he is potentially leaving 50 million dollars on the table. Even if he chooses scenario 2, he is still leaving 25 to 30 million on the table.

NO WAY I see Amare doing that.

P.S. Irish, fix your post man. It caused the page to get really wide. lol.

 

[Irish]

Amare is asking for MAX. We already know that. If my math is correct:

Scenario 1
Amare Doesn't Opt out but gets extended (stays or gets used in a sign and trade) - Amare can get $158.48 million over 7 total years (option year plus the 6 year extension). This is the most Amare can get.

Scenario 2
Amare Opts out but gets extended 6 years OR we use him in a sign and trade (he can only get the 6 year contract) - Amare can get up to $133 million over 6 years.

Scenario 3
Amare outright walks and signs with another team - Amare can around 108 million over a 4 year contract.

So...if Amare walks and sign a free agent deal, he is potentially leaving 50 million dollars on the table. Even if he chooses scenario 2, he is still leaving 25 to 30 million on the table.

NO WAY I see Amare doing that.

P.S. Irish, fix your post man. It caused the page to get really wide. lol.

I'm not sure what is making your screen go wide, since it doesn't effect mine so I don't know how to fix it.

BTW, seven year contracts are a thing of the past. IIRC the most a team can for their own player is 6 and to make an offer to another team is 5.

 

[Covert Rain]

I'm not sure what is making your screen go wide, since it doesn't effect mine so I don't know how to fix it.

BTW, seven year contracts are a thing of the past. IIRC the most a team can for their own player is 6 and to make an offer to another team is 5.

You didn't read what I wrote. It's not that it's a 7 year contract. It's that he would pick up his option year and have 6 additional years on top of that. So in essence, you would have him for 7 years.