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Five years ago, after watching Ken Whisenhunt stumble around with his QB situation, I carefully looked at what he was doing, while trying to figure out why he was doing it. It became apparent that, (while he had been saddled with SC phenom Matt Leinart as the proverbial 'franchise QB'), it became apparent that there was a distinct dislike by Whiz for Leinart's Hollywood image. Yet, there also remained a very obvious belief that his next best option, Kurt Warner, was a has been who could not handle the ball without fumbling, and that the only way he could probably be useful, was to 'platoon' Warner with Leinart, using him to operate the 2 minute drill at the end of halves. Obviously, Whiz failed to see any of the promise that Denny Green saw in either option. Whiz' third option, was the young, (strong armed), kid that he brought with him from Pittsburgh, Brian St.Pierre, who was clearly Whiz' favorite option at the time.

As the season played itself out, it was quickly clear that while St.Pierre had the arm and the physique to play the position, he lacked the accuracy and the mental grasp to command the offense. It also became clear that Leinart, was more of a QB who managed to take what the defense would allow him to check down to take. Whiz' salvation lie in the fact that he discovered during the platooning, that Warner still had the magic in his ability to make quick reads and fit the ball into tight windows, thus showing he was capable of lighting up the scoreboard once given the offense to command. Thus, he scrapped the idea of augmenting the power run game, (for which he had drafted Levi Brown), in favor of the pass first offense that Warner could still run. They finished the season 8-8, and with targets like Fitzgerald and Boldin to throw to, had the local fans giddy with anticipation of things that might yet come in the coming year.

The next season, Whiz gave up the play calling to Todd Haley, who with Warner formed a great combination of play-calling and execution, to finish 9-7, and a playoff berth. They got 'hot' during the playoffs, and won the NFC Championship Game, securing a slot against Pittsburgh in the Super Bowl, where they were unable to hold a late lead, falling narrowly to the Steelers.

In 2010, Haley was hired away to take over the HC position for the Chiefs, and Whiz again took over the play calling. They increased their record to 10-6. and the fans were drinking the coolade, and were deliriously happy. What I noticed though, was that Whiz, while continuing to ride the coat tails of Warner, failed to secure any help for the poor pass blocking which had resulted from the power running game Whiz and Grimm had hoped to bring to the valley. Instead he opted to draft more targets for Warner to throw to. While they made the playoffs, the run was short, beating GreenBay before getting waxed by the Saints.

Meanwhile, Warner clearly felt dissed, not just from the poor handling of his new contract during the off season, (during which he actually had to take his wife to San Francisco to be wooed by the Niners), in order to get the Cards to move on a new deal. That, combining with the lack of a comprehensive plan to improve the O-line, (or to even provide help from the TE's in order to protect the QB), led Warner to forego the last year of his contract, opting instead to retire, rather than continue in Whiz' flawed system, and chancing permanent harm from possible additional concussions.

The crash that followed over the next three years was completely predictable, yet somehow Whiz confused their former success with his system, believing that he could bring in anybody to play QB who could make the throws, and coach them up to execute his system. He NEVER seemed to understand that he was the beneficiary of Warner's 'while and guile', and that his system was hopelessly flawed, and that it would only work IF he found another Warner to play QB. I don't know if Whiz even today, recognizes that it was not his system that brought the success, it was Warner.

Meanwhile, his extremely poor handling of his QB's, (dumping Leinart without even trying to get any value return for him), (working his way through Derek Anderson, Moxie, Skelton, Bartel, Kolb, and there are more that I can't name right now), led to a littany of post game pressers, which could have been recorded one time and used for all. "We just didn't execute". "There are some things we need to fix". "We just need to stay the course and ride this out"

All this conspired to show the rest of the league, that rather than being an offensive guru, Whiz was actually a ruiner of quarterbacks. Those who were gutsy enough to take the hits, were brutally beaten up by opposing defenses. Only Warner, Skelton, Moxie, and Kolb were tough enough to take the beating and come back for more. My guess is that Skelton will never be used as anything but an emergency QB in the future, and will be unceremoniously dumped ala', Leinart, Anderson, Moxie. Kolb, despite taking a terrible beating, was more game that almost anyone believed. He never will be able to read as quickly as Warner, nor will he have the accuracy to fit the ball into the tight windows necessary under Whiz' system. Warner alone, was successful in operating Whiz' system. There are no HOF'ers on the immediate horizon.

Now, no QB in his right mind would come to the desert to run Whiz' system. The ONLY fix at this time is to send Whiz packing. The hope of riding Fitzgerald to another SB has gone aglimmering. The window of opportunity has slammed shut. Warner knew when it was time to go. Whiz is the only one who seems to fail to understand the reality here in the desert, although I still wonder about a more or less inept ownership who bought into Whiz' "Stay the course" mentality. Whiz cannot fix the problem here in the desert, because no one can fix what he fails to understand is broken.

Surprisingly, many still believe Whiz has a future here. I don't believe that for one New York minute. I don't know if Horton is HC material. I DO know that he has built a VERY successful defense here in Cardinal Land. I also believe that he did this without much help, (if any), from Whiz. I like the way he studied his personnel, and then tailored his defense to their individual skills. Had Whiz done the same with the offense, we may well be a championship franchise right now.

I still believe that this franchise NEEDS a true football GM, who can go through this organization and purge the dead weight, and provide a workable plan to fix the problems. I will be surprised, however, if the ownership gives that kind of control to anyone who is not family.
 

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This is the same BSP who was here two years, threw 4 passes in the last game of the 09 season and then moved on?

You really think that was the guy Whiz wanted?
 
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This is the same BSP who was here two years, threw 4 passes in the last game of the 09 season and then moved on?

You really think that was the guy Whiz wanted?[/QUOT

Yes, He brought him along from Pittsburgh when he came over. He really believed he could coach him up, just like he believes he can coach up any QB who can make the throws.
 

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This is the same BSP who was here two years, threw 4 passes in the last game of the 09 season and then moved on?

You really think that was the guy Whiz wanted?[/QUOT

Yes, He brought him along from Pittsburgh when he came over. He really believed he could coach him up, just like he believes he can coach up any QB who can make the throws.

He brought him in as the 3rd QB not to start.

If he wanted BSP to be the man, he would have started him. He knew him from Pittsburgh he thought he was a reliable #3.

He made absolutely no overtures about going to BSP the only game he played was the last game of the season when we sat regulars and even then he didn't start.
 
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He brought him in as the 3rd QB not to start.

If he wanted BSP to be the man, he would have started him. He knew him from Pittsburgh he thought he was a reliable #3.

He made absolutely no overtures about going to BSP the only game he played was the last game of the season when we sat regulars and even then he didn't start.

I won't argue that Russ. He did want to groom him to be his future QB over Leinart and Warner however. He had no faith in either one and couldn't stand Leinart. He actually hit it big with Warner, but never seems to have acknowledged that it was Warner, and not the scheme that made it go. Until Warner surprised him when he was platooning him, he truly believed that St. Pierre had the biggest upside of the three.
 

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I think you are mistaking what Mitch wanted and what Whisenhunt wanted. St. Pierre wasn't brought in to take the job.
 

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I won't argue that Russ. He did want to groom him to be his future QB over Leinart and Warner however. He had no faith in either one and couldn't stand Leinart. He actually hit it big with Warner, but never seems to have acknowledged that it was Warner, and not the scheme that made it go. Until Warner surprised him when he was platooning him, he truly believed that St. Pierre had the biggest upside of the three.

How can you even argue that with a straight face?

If thats the fact why didnt we sign BSP and keep him and give him a legitimate shot after Kurt?? HMMMM????
 
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I didn't say it as well as you did, but realized clearly a week ago that all the poor route running, poor blocking, poor passing, week after week, when you know these guys are working their asses off, shows one not so obvious thing. Whiz's system doesn't work. He either doesn't have the correct personnel here, it is just too complicated, the coaching is just incomplete or poor. Whichever is not the issue, the fact is the Whiz system isn't working. The guys as a whole just don't get it or can't do it.

We all should have seen this clearer sooner. And if anyone doesn't see it yet, well shame on you. Whiz needs to go. A new head coach needs to come in here with his people, evaluate which players can handle playing on this level and are savvy enough to learn a new system quickly enough, and clean house of everyone else. Don't look at it as starting over. Hell, we have hit rock bottom. Starting over will be a relief with promise. We have no promise now in Whiz and his people/system. Even if it means trading a player or two like our beloved Larry, who isn't getting any younger, yet still has some good value for a team in the right situation. I say that because with a new coach we will be on a several year building and learning process. We have very long way to go offensively to be able to compete with the other 3 teams in our division who all have gotten very good as we deteriorated. Our older players who may have some value, like Larry, may not be young enough to still be good when that new future arrives. That is why we might consider stocking up on draft picks and starting with younger players who will grow with our new coach and system. In 3 or 4 years a player like Larry's career will be reaching its usefull end. We will need players like him who will be young and starting to peak in a few years, not ending their career.

We need a change now so we don't go through another useless draft by a coach who has no future here. Thank Whiz for some fun years and helping to change the culture here. We will remember you fondly in time. But as of now, it is time for a change.
 

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Yeah I can't defend Whisenhunt anymore after this week.
 

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Five years ago, after watching Ken Whisenhunt stumble around with his QB situation, I carefully looked at what he was doing, while trying to figure out why he was doing it. It became apparent that, (while he had been saddled with SC phenom Matt Leinart as the proverbial 'franchise QB'), it became apparent that there was a distinct dislike by Whiz for Leinart's Hollywood image. Yet, there also remained a very obvious belief that his next best option, Kurt Warner, was a has been who could not handle the ball without fumbling, and that the only way he could probably be useful, was to 'platoon' Warner with Leinart, using him to operate the 2 minute drill at the end of halves. Obviously, Whiz failed to see any of the promise that Denny Green saw in either option. Whiz' third option, was the young, (strong armed), kid that he brought with him from Pittsburgh, Brian St.Pierre, who was clearly Whiz' favorite option at the time.

As the season played itself out, it was quickly clear that while St.Pierre had the arm and the physique to play the position, he lacked the accuracy and the mental grasp to command the offense. It also became clear that Leinart, was more of a QB who managed to take what the defense would allow him to check down to take. Whiz' salvation lie in the fact that he discovered during the platooning, that Warner still had the magic in his ability to make quick reads and fit the ball into tight windows, thus showing he was capable of lighting up the scoreboard once given the offense to command. Thus, he scrapped the idea of augmenting the power run game, (for which he had drafted Levi Brown), in favor of the pass first offense that Warner could still run. They finished the season 8-8, and with targets like Fitzgerald and Boldin to throw to, had the local fans giddy with anticipation of things that might yet come in the coming year.

The next season, Whiz gave up the play calling to Todd Haley, who with Warner formed a great combination of play-calling and execution, to finish 9-7, and a playoff berth. They got 'hot' during the playoffs, and won the NFC Championship Game, securing a slot against Pittsburgh in the Super Bowl, where they were unable to hold a late lead, falling narrowly to the Steelers.

In 2010, Haley was hired away to take over the HC position for the Chiefs, and Whiz again took over the play calling. They increased their record to 10-6. and the fans were drinking the coolade, and were deliriously happy. What I noticed though, was that Whiz, while continuing to ride the coat tails of Warner, failed to secure any help for the poor pass blocking which had resulted from the power running game Whiz and Grimm had hoped to bring to the valley. Instead he opted to draft more targets for Warner to throw to. While they made the playoffs, the run was short, beating GreenBay before getting waxed by the Saints.

Meanwhile, Warner clearly felt dissed, not just from the poor handling of his new contract during the off season, (during which he actually had to take his wife to San Francisco to be wooed by the Niners), in order to get the Cards to move on a new deal. That, combining with the lack of a comprehensive plan to improve the O-line, (or to even provide help from the TE's in order to protect the QB), led Warner to forego the last year of his contract, opting instead to retire, rather than continue in Whiz' flawed system, and chancing permanent harm from possible additional concussions.

The crash that followed over the next three years was completely predictable, yet somehow Whiz confused their former success with his system, believing that he could bring in anybody to play QB who could make the throws, and coach them up to execute his system. He NEVER seemed to understand that he was the beneficiary of Warner's 'while and guile', and that his system was hopelessly flawed, and that it would only work IF he found another Warner to play QB. I don't know if Whiz even today, recognizes that it was not his system that brought the success, it was Warner.

Meanwhile, his extremely poor handling of his QB's, (dumping Leinart without even trying to get any value return for him), (working his way through Derek Anderson, Moxie, Skelton, Bartel, Kolb, and there are more that I can't name right now), led to a littany of post game pressers, which could have been recorded one time and used for all. "We just didn't execute". "There are some things we need to fix". "We just need to stay the course and ride this out"

All this conspired to show the rest of the league, that rather than being an offensive guru, Whiz was actually a ruiner of quarterbacks. Those who were gutsy enough to take the hits, were brutally beaten up by opposing defenses. Only Warner, Skelton, Moxie, and Kolb were tough enough to take the beating and come back for more. My guess is that Skelton will never be used as anything but an emergency QB in the future, and will be unceremoniously dumped ala', Leinart, Anderson, Moxie. Kolb, despite taking a terrible beating, was more game that almost anyone believed. He never will be able to read as quickly as Warner, nor will he have the accuracy to fit the ball into the tight windows necessary under Whiz' system. Warner alone, was successful in operating Whiz' system. There are no HOF'ers on the immediate horizon.

Now, no QB in his right mind would come to the desert to run Whiz' system. The ONLY fix at this time is to send Whiz packing. The hope of riding Fitzgerald to another SB has gone aglimmering. The window of opportunity has slammed shut. Warner knew when it was time to go. Whiz is the only one who seems to fail to understand the reality here in the desert, although I still wonder about a more or less inept ownership who bought into Whiz' "Stay the course" mentality. Whiz cannot fix the problem here in the desert, because no one can fix what he fails to understand is broken.

Surprisingly, many still believe Whiz has a future here. I don't believe that for one New York minute. I don't know if Horton is HC material. I DO know that he has built a VERY successful defense here in Cardinal Land. I also believe that he did this without much help, (if any), from Whiz. I like the way he studied his personnel, and then tailored his defense to their individual skills. Had Whiz done the same with the offense, we may well be a championship franchise right now.

I still believe that this franchise NEEDS a true football GM, who can go through this organization and purge the dead weight, and provide a workable plan to fix the problems. I will be surprised, however, if the ownership gives that kind of control to anyone who is not family.

One of the most sober, thorough and accurate assessments I have read. Major kudos, Catfish!
 

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I really thought we had seen Whiz's flaws 2 years ago (stubbornness and failure to change his system for the TWO rookie backup QBs), the repeated the same observations last year and then again this year.

Whiz really is who we thought he was in 2010 - which isn't insurmountable back then - but after handing him the keys to the roster and coaching staff, it probably is now.
 

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Five years ago, after watching Ken Whisenhunt stumble around with his QB situation, I carefully looked at what he was doing, while trying to figure out why he was doing it. It became apparent that, (while he had been saddled with SC phenom Matt Leinart as the proverbial 'franchise QB'), it became apparent that there was a distinct dislike by Whiz for Leinart's Hollywood image. Yet, there also remained a very obvious belief that his next best option, Kurt Warner, was a has been who could not handle the ball without fumbling, and that the only way he could probably be useful, was to 'platoon' Warner with Leinart, using him to operate the 2 minute drill at the end of halves. Obviously, Whiz failed to see any of the promise that Denny Green saw in either option. Whiz' third option, was the young, (strong armed), kid that he brought with him from Pittsburgh, Brian St.Pierre, who was clearly Whiz' favorite option at the time.

As the season played itself out, it was quickly clear that while St.Pierre had the arm and the physique to play the position, he lacked the accuracy and the mental grasp to command the offense. It also became clear that Leinart, was more of a QB who managed to take what the defense would allow him to check down to take. Whiz' salvation lie in the fact that he discovered during the platooning, that Warner still had the magic in his ability to make quick reads and fit the ball into tight windows, thus showing he was capable of lighting up the scoreboard once given the offense to command. Thus, he scrapped the idea of augmenting the power run game, (for which he had drafted Levi Brown), in favor of the pass first offense that Warner could still run. They finished the season 8-8, and with targets like Fitzgerald and Boldin to throw to, had the local fans giddy with anticipation of things that might yet come in the coming year.

The next season, Whiz gave up the play calling to Todd Haley, who with Warner formed a great combination of play-calling and execution, to finish 9-7, and a playoff berth. They got 'hot' during the playoffs, and won the NFC Championship Game, securing a slot against Pittsburgh in the Super Bowl, where they were unable to hold a late lead, falling narrowly to the Steelers.

In 2010, Haley was hired away to take over the HC position for the Chiefs, and Whiz again took over the play calling. They increased their record to 10-6. and the fans were drinking the coolade, and were deliriously happy. What I noticed though, was that Whiz, while continuing to ride the coat tails of Warner, failed to secure any help for the poor pass blocking which had resulted from the power running game Whiz and Grimm had hoped to bring to the valley. Instead he opted to draft more targets for Warner to throw to. While they made the playoffs, the run was short, beating GreenBay before getting waxed by the Saints.

Meanwhile, Warner clearly felt dissed, not just from the poor handling of his new contract during the off season, (during which he actually had to take his wife to San Francisco to be wooed by the Niners), in order to get the Cards to move on a new deal. That, combining with the lack of a comprehensive plan to improve the O-line, (or to even provide help from the TE's in order to protect the QB), led Warner to forego the last year of his contract, opting instead to retire, rather than continue in Whiz' flawed system, and chancing permanent harm from possible additional concussions.

The crash that followed over the next three years was completely predictable, yet somehow Whiz confused their former success with his system, believing that he could bring in anybody to play QB who could make the throws, and coach them up to execute his system. He NEVER seemed to understand that he was the beneficiary of Warner's 'while and guile', and that his system was hopelessly flawed, and that it would only work IF he found another Warner to play QB. I don't know if Whiz even today, recognizes that it was not his system that brought the success, it was Warner.

Meanwhile, his extremely poor handling of his QB's, (dumping Leinart without even trying to get any value return for him), (working his way through Derek Anderson, Moxie, Skelton, Bartel, Kolb, and there are more that I can't name right now), led to a littany of post game pressers, which could have been recorded one time and used for all. "We just didn't execute". "There are some things we need to fix". "We just need to stay the course and ride this out"

All this conspired to show the rest of the league, that rather than being an offensive guru, Whiz was actually a ruiner of quarterbacks. Those who were gutsy enough to take the hits, were brutally beaten up by opposing defenses. Only Warner, Skelton, Moxie, and Kolb were tough enough to take the beating and come back for more. My guess is that Skelton will never be used as anything but an emergency QB in the future, and will be unceremoniously dumped ala', Leinart, Anderson, Moxie. Kolb, despite taking a terrible beating, was more game that almost anyone believed. He never will be able to read as quickly as Warner, nor will he have the accuracy to fit the ball into the tight windows necessary under Whiz' system. Warner alone, was successful in operating Whiz' system. There are no HOF'ers on the immediate horizon.

Now, no QB in his right mind would come to the desert to run Whiz' system. The ONLY fix at this time is to send Whiz packing. The hope of riding Fitzgerald to another SB has gone aglimmering. The window of opportunity has slammed shut. Warner knew when it was time to go. Whiz is the only one who seems to fail to understand the reality here in the desert, although I still wonder about a more or less inept ownership who bought into Whiz' "Stay the course" mentality. Whiz cannot fix the problem here in the desert, because no one can fix what he fails to understand is broken.

Surprisingly, many still believe Whiz has a future here. I don't believe that for one New York minute. I don't know if Horton is HC material. I DO know that he has built a VERY successful defense here in Cardinal Land. I also believe that he did this without much help, (if any), from Whiz. I like the way he studied his personnel, and then tailored his defense to their individual skills. Had Whiz done the same with the offense, we may well be a championship franchise right now.

I still believe that this franchise NEEDS a true football GM, who can go through this organization and purge the dead weight, and provide a workable plan to fix the problems. I will be surprised, however, if the ownership gives that kind of control to anyone who is not family.

Some good thoughts in there fish.

One question? Name the QB that Wiz would've had right now to make this a championship franchise? That's the downfall in all of this & I'm not sure there were any other options available, Wiz couldve righted this ship with after Warner other than stopgap. I still say last year this team should've offered three 1s & three 2s for the possibility of getting Luck & RGIII.
 

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Some good thoughts in there fish.

One question? Name the QB that Wiz would've had right now to make this a championship franchise? That's the downfall in all of this & I'm not sure there were any other options available, Wiz couldve righted this ship with after Warner other than stopgap. I still say last year this team should've offered three 1s & three 2s for the possibility of getting Luck & RGIII.

The Colts wouldn't have taken 5 #1's for Luck.
 
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Some good thoughts in there fish.

One question? Name the QB that Wiz would've had right now to make this a championship franchise? That's the downfall in all of this & I'm not sure there were any other options available, Wiz couldve righted this ship with after Warner other than stopgap. I still say last year this team should've offered three 1s & three 2s for the possibility of getting Luck & RGIII.

As a head coach, Whiz positively failed Kurt Warner. Warner was slow footed to say the least. Yet Whiz did nothing to help the blocking schemes, or to even bring in adequate free agent or draft help for the O Line. When you have a HOF QB like Warner, you do all you can to make things easier for him. Whiz seemed content to simply let Warner get by on his quick reads and quick release and guts. That is no way to treat a HOF QB, or any QB for that matter. Between the FO faux pas during Warner's contract negotiations, and Whiz' failure to improve the O-Line, Warner had enough disrespect and opted out early. Had he even made an attempt to help the O-line pass protect the QB, Warner may have played on.

What Whiz did with Leinart was unforgivable. My opinion of what might have occurred is this. Whiz hated Leinart, probably because Leinart would not go downfield with his throws, thus ending up with better stats than Anderson in their head-to-head competition. He may have also been getting some urging from the FO about playing Leinart. After all, he WAS their QBOF. Whiz might have even helped work out a trade for Leinart, at least getting the Bidwills something back for their bucks. Instead, he waited until just after the FO renewed his OWN contract extension, then he dumped Leinart's contract without fanfare. This might have been the straw that broke the camel's back. Even if he did not anger the Bidwills, what message did he send to QB's and to the rest of the league. (Hey, don't go to Az., cause Whiz doesn't care about QB's). Look what he did to Warner and Leinart. I believe to this day, that Whiz has a burr under his saddle for both Warner and Leinart. In any event, there have been no serious considerations for ANY viable QB to come to Az. since that time. (Yes, Manning, interviewed, but even Whiz did not believe there was a reasonable chance Manning would come here. This whole thing may have been festering all along with ownership, because of Whiz' handling of Warner, Leinart, Anderson, Kolb, etc, etc, etc. No small wonder, the Bidwills did not go after Charlie Whitehead, after just mortgaging the farm to bring in Kevin Kolb for Whiz. Whiz has managed to sour the whole league on AZ being a good spot for QB's to come to.
 
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Waiting for an answer on this one Catfish??

I'll give you my version. Whiz has the personality makeup that gives him supreme confidence in his own ability to fix things. That is why he continues to try to plug players into a scheme that they don't fit, instead of building a scheme to fit his player's talents. In BSP, he had a young, fit, mobile, strong armed QB whom he BELIEVED he could groom for the future. Now, that personality trait has led Whiz down a dark road with his QB's, (much of it by his own making). I still believe that WHIZ believed he could coach up ANY QB who could make the throws, to win in his system. He was probably shocked that BSP failed him rather quickly. This may have added to the hatred he had incurred for Leinart, and his own failure to realize that he flawed his system as soon as he chose Warner to pass, pass, pass. He failed to change the personnel in the O'Line, probably believing that his buddy would take care of that for him.

Now, that's my version. It may not be right, but so far no one, (least of all you Shane), has offered a better version in my opinion. I'll stick with my version for now.
 
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I'll give you my version. Whiz has the personality makeup that gives him supreme confidence in his own ability to fix things. That is why he continues to try to plug players into a scheme that they don't fit, instead of building a scheme to fit his player's talents. In BSP, he had a young, fit, mobile, strong armed QB whom he BELIEVED he could groom for the future. Now, that personality trait has led Whiz down a dark road with his QB's, (much of it by his own making). I still believe that WHIZ believed he could coach up ANY QB who could make the throws, to win in his system. He was probably shocked that BSP failed him rather quickly. This may have added to the hatred he had incurred for Leinart, and his own failure to realize that he flawed his system as soon as he chose Warner to pass, pass, pass. He failed to change the personnel in the O'Line, probably believing that his buddy would take care of that for him.

Now, that's my version. It may not be right, but so far no one, (least of all you Shane), has offered a better version in my opinion. I'll stick with my version for now.

your opinion is fine. Your entitled to it. But again you didnt answer the question. If you believe that was Whiz's thought process regarding BSP then why afterWarner left wasnt he given a chance to take the job and signed to a long term deal?
 
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your opinion is fine. Your entitled to it. But again you didnt answer the question. If you believe that was Whiz's thought process regarding BSP then why afterWarner left wasnt he given a chance to take the job and signed to a long term deal?

If you had bothered to read my answer, you'd have seen the answer. Since you won't give me the courtesy of at least reading my posts, you can figure it out for yourself.
 

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If you had bothered to read my answer, you'd have seen the answer. Since you won't give me the courtesy of at least reading my posts, you can figure it out for yourself.

All you said is that he failed him? How so? When was he given a legit shot to be a starter for this team?
 

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your opinion is fine. Your entitled to it. But again you didnt answer the question. If you believe that was Whiz's thought process regarding BSP then why afterWarner left wasnt he given a chance to take the job and signed to a long term deal?

That was rather odd after CKW had brought BSP back telling him he had a legit shot at beating out Leinart for the #2 spot and paying BSP $1 million to be the #3. Especially when they could have let Tyler Palko hold a clipboard for the league minimum.

I guess Ken finally realized that BSP wasn't even a decent #3 and finally let him go.

Note: Has any other #3 QB ever been paid $1 million dollars?
 
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