Fan dies at Rangers game

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Tragic. :(

Wonder if MLB will cancel the gold ball idea for the home run derby.
 

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Dies trying to catch a $5 baseball. Stupid.

I don't want to seem insensitive but diving over two seats to take the ball away from the guy it was thrown to wasn't exactly a smart thing to do.

People just go crazy over getting baseballs. Look at the video of the "grown" woman who ripped a ball away from a little girl and the melees that have ensued over other HR/foul balls.

I've seen guys dive over several rows of hard plastic seats onto concrete to get one. Knock over other fans and spill food and drink over people. Not to mention the # of times it has affected the actual game when a fan reaches into the field of play to grab a ball. Saw that happen just today in a Jeter highlight video.

It's nuts.

But I don't know off hand what Baseball teams could do about it.


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I don't want to seem insensitive but diving over two seats to take the ball away from the guy it was thrown to wasn't exactly a smart thing to do.

People just go crazy over getting baseballs. Look at the video of the "grown" woman who ripped a ball away from a little girl and the melees that have ensued over other HR/foul balls.

I've seen guys dive over several rows of hard plastic seats onto concrete to get one. Knock over other fans and spill food and drink over people. Not to mention the # of times it has affected the actual game when a fan reaches into the field of play to grab a ball. Saw that happen just today in a Jeter highlight video.

It's nuts.

But I don't know off hand what Baseball teams could do about it.


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Looking at the video Jon posted, I would say that the guy went crazy, or even dove over 2 seats to get the ball. It was very clearly within arms length and he simply reached for it.

Some of you might recall that 2 years ago, I was this guy... I fell about 8 feet over a railing at UoP. Fractured my ribs but thankfully, miraculously, that was it. The problem at UoP, which is the problem in this case as well, is that the railing is simply too low. I'm not a tall guy (5'10"), but the railing bar came up to mid-thigh on me. It was WAY too easy to simply lean on the railing, lose your footing and end up feet over head tumbling thru the air. I just don't understand why stadiums are built this way... why can't they build railing that come up another foot or so? If the top of the railing at UoP came up to my chest, I would not have taken that dive... Same in this case. This poor guy would still be alive today if that railing were another foot higher....
 

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Looking at the video Jon posted, I wouldn't say that the guy went crazy, or even dove over 2 seats to get the ball. It was very clearly within arms length and he simply reached for it.

Not only was it within reach - he caught it. All he did was lean for it. Probably wanted to give it to his son.

I think he caught the ball mostly with his left hand and he switched it to his right as he fell. It's in his hand when he reaches out to brace himself on the padding.
 

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Looking at the video Jon posted, I would say that the guy went crazy, or even dove over 2 seats to get the ball. It was very clearly within arms length and he simply reached for it.

Some of you might recall that 2 years ago, I was this guy... I fell about 8 feet over a railing at UoP. Fractured my ribs but thankfully, miraculously, that was it. The problem at UoP, which is the problem in this case as well, is that the railing is simply too low. I'm not a tall guy (5'10"), but the railing bar came up to mid-thigh on me. It was WAY too easy to simply lean on the railing, lose your footing and end up feet over head tumbling thru the air. I just don't understand why stadiums are built this way... why can't they build railing that come up another foot or so? If the top of the railing at UoP came up to my chest, I would not have taken that dive... Same in this case. This poor guy would still be alive today if that railing were another foot higher....

When you are sitting down, the bar would be right in your field of vision. If they raised the railing then they would have to remove the lowest level of seats, unless they just put plexi glass as a barrier.
 

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Just a sad, sad situation for everyone involved. The guy was a Father a Husband and a Firefighter. So sad to die in such an accident. And now Hamilton gets to live with this memory.

But when the father fell over the wall in left field – a drop of about 20 feet - trying to catch the ball, and ultimately died on the way to the hospital, it shook the Rangers' All-Star center fielder.

"It was just hard for me, hearing the little boy screaming for his daddy after he had fallen," said Hamilton, who spent a long night being comforted by his family. "And then being home with my kids. It really hit home last night."

What a nightmare for those kids. How many of us went to ball games with our dads when we were that age? To see him simply fall over the edge and then have to stand there and look at him and scream... That is brutal. People can blame the dad or the stadium but the bottom line is that it's just a horrific accident.

Will definitely keep all of them in my thoughts and pray for them to be comforted.
 

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Just a sad, sad situation for everyone involved. The guy was a Father a Husband and a Firefighter. So sad to die in such an accident. And now Hamilton gets to live with this memory.

But when the father fell over the wall in left field – a drop of about 20 feet - trying to catch the ball, and ultimately died on the way to the hospital, it shook the Rangers' All-Star center fielder.

"It was just hard for me, hearing the little boy screaming for his daddy after he had fallen," said Hamilton, who spent a long night being comforted by his family. "And then being home with my kids. It really hit home last night."

What a nightmare for those kids. How many of us went to ball games with our dads when we were that age? To see him simply fall over the edge and then have to stand there and look at him and scream... That is brutal. People can blame the dad or the stadium but the bottom line is that it's just a horrific accident.

Will definitely keep all of them in my thoughts and pray for them to be comforted.

That would haunt me forever. :(
 

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The gold balls used in the State Farm Home Run Derby on Monday will be just that -- made with one panel infused with actual 24-karat gold leather.

The special balls are put into play once a batter is down to his final out in each round of the derby.

They were crafted by Rawlings and Gold Sport Collectibles with an MSRP of $149.99 each, providing a particularly valuable keepsake for any fan who is lucky enough to snag one in the Chase Field stands.

This poster at MLB.com covers my thoughts on this fairly well. I don't agree 100% but it is a good take:

seriously? are you kidding? every year hundreds of fans get hurt, maimed, and even killed while trying to get a souvenir baseball. An eight dollar baseball folks!!! A baseball hit, or sometimes thrown into the stands by a well to do player. Not every one of these poor sods is tanked up on dollar beers, or an over aggressive 40 something knocking over an eight year old girl, then ripping the ball out of her tiny little hands, proudly showing to the world of your accomplishment. Sometimes it is just a father with his son being in the wrong place at the wrong time. As we have seen by the most recent tragic events in Texas, it was a father with his son. A father with 17 years on the fire department. With his years as a fireman, he was probably one of the most trained people in the stadium to handle and deal with an adverse situation, but his desire for an eight dollar baseball, a baseball, most likely for his son, and being in the wrong place at the wrong time, combined with a momentary laps in judgment, and well, sadly we all have seen, or heard of his tragic death. Now major league baseball with its infinite wisdom has announced that they are going to introduce a baseball worth $150.00 in its home run derby during all star weekend. These baseballs are going to be launched into the stands by some of the biggest, baddest players on earth. Gee wiz, I cant see anything that could go wrong with that... Remember the television show back in the 70's, WKRP in Cincinnati? They once had a thanksgiving promo where they threw hundreds of turkeys from a helicopter, before anyone realized that turkeys cant fly.... ooops!!! Well launching $150.00 baseballs off the bats of the strongest men in the game is just as stupid.!!! It's an accident waiting to happen. Listen up fellas... Baseball is absolutely the most beautiful and pure sport in the world. Part of it's splendor, is that it is played, managed, officiated, owned, and spectated by humans. Humans who are fallible and make mistakes. It is what makes the game perfect, it's imperfections. Please don't add stupid to that. Remember, turkeys cant fly. For the players in the derby, honor the game....when they introduce the gold ball after your second out, simply swing and miss, then walk away, so that not one fan gets hurt, maimed, or even dies scrambling for a $150.00 souvenir.
 

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What a nightmare for those kids. How many of us went to ball games with our dads when we were that age? To see him simply fall over the edge and then have to stand there and look at him and scream... That is brutal. People can blame the dad or the stadium but the bottom line is that it's just a horrific accident.

Will definitely keep all of them in my thoughts and pray for them to be comforted.

So true, Bert. I remember going to Phillies games with my dad, uncle and grandpop. Yeah, if a ball came into our area, they always tried to catch it. Luckily, it never caused any injuries.

Just a sad, sad thing.
 

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"Keith Carmickle, of Kingman, was trying to catch a home run hit by Prince Fielder in the second round of Monday night's derby when he stood on a metal table about 18 inches wide."

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"I thought: I've lived a good life," Carmickle said about dangling.

And almost capped it off with a Darwin Award. :rolleyes:
 
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